Philippians 2:10
God did this so that every person will bow down to honor the name of Jesus. Everyone in heaven, on earth, and under the earth will bow.
Was Jesus 'mortal' or 'immortal' ?
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God did this so that every person will bow down to honor the name of Jesus. Everyone in heaven, on earth, and under the earth will bow.
Ronald David Bruno
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Jesus said He would send and the Father would send " another Helper" and addressed Him as the Comforter, Counselor, "He", not it.
The Holy Spirit teaches, guides, counsels, leads, gives truth, hears, speaks, searches all truth, is wise, gives gifts, baptizes us, makes promises, loves us, fellowships with us, sanctifies us, justifies us, convicts us of sin, edifies us, bears witness to Christ and glorifies Christ.
" I (1) will pray the Father (2) and He will give you another Helper (3), that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." John 14:16-17
Do you notice the distinction between Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit?
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amigo de christo
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JESUS the CHRIST was always , is always and shall always be immortal .
The body he came in was mortal , BUT NOT HE .
let us learn this quickly .
The body he came in was mortal , BUT NOT HE .
let us learn this quickly .
The Bible says he's the son of God. Not God the son.
amigo de christo
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and what is the great commission .
IT SURE AS HECK aint the social justice incluisve gospel .
THE TRUE COMISSION IS
to preach the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS AND TO TEACH ALL , not some , ALL things HE DID teach .
Have a great day now .
cause teaching muslims and other religoins to love God and their neighbor as themselves IS VAIN AND FUTILE
IF THEY FIRST DONT BELIEVE ON JESUS AS THE CHRIST . ooops .
Genesis 17:4
And God said to him: I AM, and my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last.Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’Isaiah 43:13
Also henceforth I am he; there is none who can deliver from my hand; I work, and who can turn it back?”I am.
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Isaiah 43:13
Even from eternity I am He, and none can deliver out of My hand. When I act, who can reverse it?"
Isaiah 44:6, 8
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. . . .
Isaiah 46:9
Remember what happened long ago, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me.
Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called: I am He; I am the first, and I am the last.
Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come--the Almighty.
You have 3 verses here. What question do you speak of when you say "if such a question arise?"
I can't help you any more. Instead of locking the thread. They are just deleting my posts.
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"For readers of the original Greek or of the English translation, the most obvious difficulty lies in the fact that Matthew records the event as though the centurion came directly to Jesus while Luke records two sets of intermediaries coming to Jesus on behalf of the centurion. In addition, in Luke 7:7 the centurion "
SOLUTION: Both Matthew and Luke are correct. In the 1st century, it was understood that when a representative was sent to speak for his master, it was as if the master was speaking himself. Even in our day this is still the case. When the Secretary of State meets individuals from other countries, he goes out in the name of the president of the United States. In other words, what he says, the president says. Therefore, Matthew states that a centurion came entreating Jesus about his sick slave, when in fact the centurion sent others on his behalf. So, when Matthew declares that the centurion was speaking, this was true, even though he was (as Luke indicated) speaking through his official representative.
This excerpt is from When Critics Ask: A Popular Handbook on Bible Difficulties (Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books, 1992). © 2014 Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe. All rights reserved. Used by permission. Click here to purchase this book.
This excerpt is from When Critics Ask: A Popular Handbook on Bible Difficulties (Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books, 1992). © 2014 Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe. All rights reserved. Used by permission. Click here to purchase this book.
How can we resolve this difficulty?
OPTION #1. The Centurion came AFTER sending emissaries. While the centurion originally felt shame in approaching Jesus (Lk. 7:6), it’s possible that he could have come out to visit him after sending his servants. Remember, Jesus was “not far from the house” (Lk. 7:6), so this is entirely possible. Poythress observes, “Human motivations and decision making are complex and often include some wavering or change of mind.”[1]
OPTION #2. The emissaries represented the Centurion. When Matthew records that the centurion was “imploring Jesus,” it never says that this was “face to face” or “in person.” Of course, the centurion did implore Jesus, but this was via a messenger or representative. We would use this same language today, when a newspaper states, “The President told the Prime Minister to support his foreign policy.” We don’t expect that the two people actually spoke to one another. They may have, or maybe the President sent his ambassadors to do it for him.
Elsewhere in the gospels, we read, “Pilate took Jesus and scourged him” (Jn. 19:1; cf. Mt. 27:26; Mk. 15:15; Lk. 23:16). Of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean that Pilate held the whip himself, but rather, the order came from him to have Jesus scourged.
Matthew focus on the faith of the Gentile centurion (Mt. 8:10), and he serves as a contrast with the unbelieving religious leaders. Luke adds his detail about the Jewish elders coaxing Jesus, because he was trying to show their role in bringing this Gentile to Jesus (Lk. 7:9). If Matthew included this, perhaps his Jewish audience might have pointed to this act as an act of faith and righteousness, which wasn’t his intention.
Luke emphasizes how the Jewish leaders called the centurion “worthy” (Lk. 7:4). Of course, the centurion didn’t have this view of himself (Lk. 7:6), but his Jewish friends did. This further fits with Luke’s emphasis on the Gentiles being “worthy” of hearing the gospel. Additionally, it also fits with the notion that the humble (like the centurion) get into the kingdom (Lk. 1:52; 18:14). Poythress remarks, “We are richer by having the two Gospels draw attention to distinct aspects of the meaning of the events and the meaning of the kingdom of God. We can appreciate what God is doing more deeply than if we just had one account, or if we just paid attention to our reconstructed idea of the events and not to the Gospels’ distinctive ways of explaining the events.”[2]
[1] Poythress, Vern S. Inerrancy and the Gospels: A God-centered Approach to the Challenges of Harmonization. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012. 19.
[2] Poythress, Vern S. Inerrancy and the Gospels: A God-centered Approach to the Challenges of Harmonization. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012. 24.
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OPTION #1. The Centurion came AFTER sending emissaries. While the centurion originally felt shame in approaching Jesus (Lk. 7:6), it’s possible that he could have come out to visit him after sending his servants. Remember, Jesus was “not far from the house” (Lk. 7:6), so this is entirely possible. Poythress observes, “Human motivations and decision making are complex and often include some wavering or change of mind.”[1]
OPTION #2. The emissaries represented the Centurion. When Matthew records that the centurion was “imploring Jesus,” it never says that this was “face to face” or “in person.” Of course, the centurion did implore Jesus, but this was via a messenger or representative. We would use this same language today, when a newspaper states, “The President told the Prime Minister to support his foreign policy.” We don’t expect that the two people actually spoke to one another. They may have, or maybe the President sent his ambassadors to do it for him.
Elsewhere in the gospels, we read, “Pilate took Jesus and scourged him” (Jn. 19:1; cf. Mt. 27:26; Mk. 15:15; Lk. 23:16). Of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean that Pilate held the whip himself, but rather, the order came from him to have Jesus scourged.
A difference in purpose and emphasis
In addition to this harmonization, the differences in the accounts can also be attributed to the purpose of the authors. Matthew was writing to the Jews, and Luke to the Gentiles.Matthew focus on the faith of the Gentile centurion (Mt. 8:10), and he serves as a contrast with the unbelieving religious leaders. Luke adds his detail about the Jewish elders coaxing Jesus, because he was trying to show their role in bringing this Gentile to Jesus (Lk. 7:9). If Matthew included this, perhaps his Jewish audience might have pointed to this act as an act of faith and righteousness, which wasn’t his intention.
Luke emphasizes how the Jewish leaders called the centurion “worthy” (Lk. 7:4). Of course, the centurion didn’t have this view of himself (Lk. 7:6), but his Jewish friends did. This further fits with Luke’s emphasis on the Gentiles being “worthy” of hearing the gospel. Additionally, it also fits with the notion that the humble (like the centurion) get into the kingdom (Lk. 1:52; 18:14). Poythress remarks, “We are richer by having the two Gospels draw attention to distinct aspects of the meaning of the events and the meaning of the kingdom of God. We can appreciate what God is doing more deeply than if we just had one account, or if we just paid attention to our reconstructed idea of the events and not to the Gospels’ distinctive ways of explaining the events.”[2]
[1] Poythress, Vern S. Inerrancy and the Gospels: A God-centered Approach to the Challenges of Harmonization. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012. 19.
[2] Poythress, Vern S. Inerrancy and the Gospels: A God-centered Approach to the Challenges of Harmonization. Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2012. 24.
(Mt. 8:5-13) Does this contradict the account in Luke 7:1-10? | Evidence Unseen
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Two Priests, one with a cast on his arm, the other Two were Hippies. When they met each other, one asked, " Hey Man, what happened to your arm? A Priest answered that he fell in his Bathtub. As the Hippies were beyond the Priests, one asked, "Hey Man, what is a Bathtub?" The other said, "It must be a Catholic thing."
"In the name of Jesus" refers to by whoose Authority.
13 Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you, or were you baptized in Paul’s name? 14 Thank God that I didn’t baptize any of you, except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that nobody can say that you were baptized in my name! 16 Oh, I baptized the house of Stephanas too. Otherwise, I don’t know if I baptized anyone else. 17 Christ didn’t send me to baptize but to preach the good news. And Christ didn’t send me to preach the good news with clever words so that Christ’s cross won’t be emptied of its meaning.
CadyandZoe
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I assure you that the Bible is self-consistent and does not contradict itself. The Bible might seem to contract itself because we don't always understand it the way it was meant to be understood.
Genesis 42:15
But I will let you prove that you are telling the truth. In the name of Pharaoh, I swear that I will not let you go until your youngest brother comes here.
Deuteronomy 18:7
And this Levite may serve in the name of the Lord his God, the same as all his brother Levites who are on duty before the Lord.
Deuteronomy 21:5
The priests, the descendants of Levi, must also go there. (The Lord your God has chosen these priests to serve him and to bless people in the name of the Lord. The priests will decide who is right in every lawsuit and whenever someone is hurt.)
1 Samuel 17:45
David said to the Philistine, “You come to me using sword, spear, and javelin. But I come to you in the name of the Lord All-Powerful, the God of the armies of Israel. You have said bad things about him.
2 Samuel 6:18
After David had finished offering the burnt offerings and the fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord All-Powerful.
2 Chronicles 33:18
Everything else Manasseh did, his prayer to his God and the words of the seers who spoke to him in the name of the Lord, the God of Israel, are all written in the book, The Official Records of the Kings of Israel.
Ezra 5:1
At that time the prophets Haggai and Zechariah son of Iddo began to prophesy in the name of God. They encouraged the Jews in Judah and Jerusalem.
Psalm 118:26
Welcome to the one who comes in the name of the Lord.” The priests answer, “We welcome you to the Lord’s house!
Psalm 129:8
May no one walking by those wicked people ever say, “May the Lord bless you! We bless you in the name of the Lord.”
Isaiah 8:21
When the enemy comes, there will be hard times and hunger. And when he becomes hungry, he will become angry. He will say curses in the name of his king and his gods. Then he will lift his head upwards like a roaring lion.
But I will let you prove that you are telling the truth. In the name of Pharaoh, I swear that I will not let you go until your youngest brother comes here.
Deuteronomy 18:7
And this Levite may serve in the name of the Lord his God, the same as all his brother Levites who are on duty before the Lord.
Deuteronomy 21:5
The priests, the descendants of Levi, must also go there. (The Lord your God has chosen these priests to serve him and to bless people in the name of the Lord. The priests will decide who is right in every lawsuit and whenever someone is hurt.)
1 Samuel 17:45
David said to the Philistine, “You come to me using sword, spear, and javelin. But I come to you in the name of the Lord All-Powerful, the God of the armies of Israel. You have said bad things about him.
2 Samuel 6:18
After David had finished offering the burnt offerings and the fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord All-Powerful.
2 Chronicles 33:18
Everything else Manasseh did, his prayer to his God and the words of the seers who spoke to him in the name of the Lord, the God of Israel, are all written in the book, The Official Records of the Kings of Israel.
Ezra 5:1
At that time the prophets Haggai and Zechariah son of Iddo began to prophesy in the name of God. They encouraged the Jews in Judah and Jerusalem.
Psalm 118:26
Welcome to the one who comes in the name of the Lord.” The priests answer, “We welcome you to the Lord’s house!
Psalm 129:8
May no one walking by those wicked people ever say, “May the Lord bless you! We bless you in the name of the Lord.”
Isaiah 8:21
When the enemy comes, there will be hard times and hunger. And when he becomes hungry, he will become angry. He will say curses in the name of his king and his gods. Then he will lift his head upwards like a roaring lion.
Jeremiah 2:8
“The priests did not ask, ‘Where is the Lord?’ The people who know the law did not want to know me. The leaders of the people of Israel turned against me. The prophets spoke in the name of the false god Baal. They worshiped worthless idols.”
Jeremiah 11:21
The Lord said to me, “Those people from Anathoth are planning to take your life. They are telling you not to prophesy in the name of the Lord or they will kill you. This is what I have to say about them:
Jeremiah 23:13
“I saw the prophets of Samaria doing wrong things. I saw them prophesy in the name of the false god Baal. They led the people of Israel away from me.
Jeremiah 26:9
How dare you say such a thing in the name of the Lord! How dare you say that this Temple will be destroyed like the one at Shiloh! How dare you say that Jerusalem will become a desert with no one living in it!” All the people gathered around Jeremiah in the Temple of the Lord.
Zechariah 13:3
Whoever continues to prophesy will be punished. Even their parents, their own mother and father, will say to them, ‘You have spoken lies in the name of the Lord, so you must die!’ Their own mother and father will stab them for prophesying.
“The priests did not ask, ‘Where is the Lord?’ The people who know the law did not want to know me. The leaders of the people of Israel turned against me. The prophets spoke in the name of the false god Baal. They worshiped worthless idols.”
Jeremiah 11:21
The Lord said to me, “Those people from Anathoth are planning to take your life. They are telling you not to prophesy in the name of the Lord or they will kill you. This is what I have to say about them:
Jeremiah 23:13
“I saw the prophets of Samaria doing wrong things. I saw them prophesy in the name of the false god Baal. They led the people of Israel away from me.
Jeremiah 26:9
How dare you say such a thing in the name of the Lord! How dare you say that this Temple will be destroyed like the one at Shiloh! How dare you say that Jerusalem will become a desert with no one living in it!” All the people gathered around Jeremiah in the Temple of the Lord.
Zechariah 13:3
Whoever continues to prophesy will be punished. Even their parents, their own mother and father, will say to them, ‘You have spoken lies in the name of the Lord, so you must die!’ Their own mother and father will stab them for prophesying.
Matthew 21:9
Some of the people were walking ahead of Jesus. Others were walking behind him. They all shouted, “Praise to the Son of David! ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’ Praise to God in heaven!”
Matthew 23:39
I tell you, you will not see me again until that time when you will say, ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Matthew 28:19
So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Mark 11:9
Some of them were walking ahead of Jesus. Others were walking behind him. Everyone shouted, “‘Praise Him!’ ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’
Luke 13:35
Now your home will be left completely empty. I tell you, you will not see me again until that time when you will say, ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Luke 19:38
They said, “‘Welcome! God bless the king who comes in the name of the Lord.’ Peace in heaven and glory to God!”
John 12:13
They took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Jesus. They shouted, “‘Praise Him!’ ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’ God bless the King of Israel!”
Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ. Then God will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 4:18
So the Jewish leaders called Peter and John in again. They told the apostles not to say anything or to teach anything in the name of Jesus.
Acts 8:16
These people had been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, but the Holy Spirit had not yet come down on any of them. This is why Peter and John prayed.
Acts 10:48
So Peter told them to baptize Cornelius and his relatives and friends in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Acts 19:5
When these followers heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
1 Corinthians 5:4
Come together in the name of our Lord Jesus. I will be with you in spirit, and you will have the power of our Lord Jesus with you.
1 Corinthians 6:11
In the past some of you were like that. But you were washed clean, you were made holy, and you were made right with God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Ephesians 5:20
Always give thanks to God the Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
James 5:14
Are you sick? Ask the elders of the church to come and rub oil on you in the name of the Lord and pray for you.
Some of the people were walking ahead of Jesus. Others were walking behind him. They all shouted, “Praise to the Son of David! ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’ Praise to God in heaven!”
Matthew 23:39
I tell you, you will not see me again until that time when you will say, ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Matthew 28:19
So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Mark 11:9
Some of them were walking ahead of Jesus. Others were walking behind him. Everyone shouted, “‘Praise Him!’ ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’
Luke 13:35
Now your home will be left completely empty. I tell you, you will not see me again until that time when you will say, ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Luke 19:38
They said, “‘Welcome! God bless the king who comes in the name of the Lord.’ Peace in heaven and glory to God!”
John 12:13
They took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Jesus. They shouted, “‘Praise Him!’ ‘Welcome! God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’ God bless the King of Israel!”
Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ. Then God will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 4:18
So the Jewish leaders called Peter and John in again. They told the apostles not to say anything or to teach anything in the name of Jesus.
Acts 8:16
These people had been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, but the Holy Spirit had not yet come down on any of them. This is why Peter and John prayed.
Acts 10:48
So Peter told them to baptize Cornelius and his relatives and friends in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Acts 19:5
When these followers heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
1 Corinthians 5:4
Come together in the name of our Lord Jesus. I will be with you in spirit, and you will have the power of our Lord Jesus with you.
1 Corinthians 6:11
In the past some of you were like that. But you were washed clean, you were made holy, and you were made right with God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Ephesians 5:20
Always give thanks to God the Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
James 5:14
Are you sick? Ask the elders of the church to come and rub oil on you in the name of the Lord and pray for you.
CadyandZoe
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I disagree. Inerrancy should be assumed unless proven otherwise.
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