Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[Grailhunter]

God cannot dwell in a condemned nature.

This is interesting...remember you said it.

 

[Grailhunter]

I think my answer was already given in my earlier post that you quoted.

Did your post address the boy on the island?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Did your post address the boy on the island?

It did.

 

[face2face]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?
OP ^

A resounding No.

1 John 5:
[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

John 1:
[13]
(Jesus) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, (Jesus) and have believed that I (Jesus) came out from God.

Born is a living thing coming OUT FROM a living thing.
The Living WORD of God came OUT FROM the Living God.

First revealed VERBALLY, audibly.
* Thereafter Promised AND revealed IN A BODY God Prepared, in the fashion of a Humbled Jewish Servant man, God SAID call Him, JESUS.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

His SOUL, His SPIRIT, would not suffer Sacrifice.
His PREPARED BODY, was expressly Prepared, to Be SEEN, and SUFFER Sacrifice of DEATH.

He was MANKIND’S example to DO as He DID.
Not, sacrifice ones soul.
Not, sacrifice ones spirit.
Do, Freely sacrifice ones Body unto Death, to become MADE (by the Power of God)..WHOLLY, WHOLE and anew....holy unto God.

Jesus was born with a condemned nature.
If he grew old and aged like us he would have died of natural causes.
Even today he is the Son of Man.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

God cannot dwell in a condemned nature.

Colossians 1.

God dwells also in Sheol.

 

[face2face]

This is interesting...remember you said it.

That's why he raised up a Son out of the line of Adam...in the seed of Abraham & David Romans 1:3

 

[face2face]

Colossians 1.

God dwells also in Sheol.

Sheol is just the grave - dirt - yes by God's Spirit all things exist...but God cannot dwell in condemned flesh.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Jesus was born with a condemned nature.
If he grew old and aged like us he would have died of natural causes.
Even today he is the Son of Man.

1 Peter 2.
Jesus' father was God, not Joseph.
Jesus was God. He did not have a condemned nature because he was not born to sin.
Satan could attempt to tempt him. This does not mean Jesus could have succumbed to temptation.

Typo edit

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Sheol is just the grave - dirt - yes by God's Spirit all things exist...but God cannot dwell in condemned flesh.

Keep the faith.

 

[face2face]

The removal of the condemnation in the body of Jesus (that which had the power of death) has opened a new and living way for believers by faith in the operation of God's redemptive work in Christ.

The removal of this condemnation now "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of THE BODY of Jesus Christ once for all". Hebrews 5:10

The atoning work includes sanctification something only accessible if one understands the true nature of Christ and his sacrifice.

 

[face2face]

1 Peter 2.
Jesus' father was God, not Joseph.
Jesus was God. He did not have a condemned nature because he was not born to sin.
Satan could attempt to tempt him. This does not mean Jesus cpuld have succumbed to temptation.

Jesus had the fear of death like you! Hebrews 5:7
He overcame that as we know!

 

[Grailhunter]

It did.

I did not see the word boy or island in that post.

 

[face2face]

1 Peter 2.
Jesus' father was God, not Joseph.
Jesus was God. He did not have a condemned nature because he was not born to sin.
Satan could attempt to tempt him. This does not mean Jesus cpuld have succumbed to temptation.

2 false doctrines destroy your understanding of the true Christ.
1. Trinity
2. Fallen angel theology
You will never reach him while this infestation is allowed to permeate your mind.
F2F

 

[face2face]

Colossians 1:21: "And you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in THE BODY of his flesh through death".

The atoning work of God took place in the body of Jesus - its there the condemnation was removed! Romans 8:1
It's there God had His victory over the mind of the flesh!

Many here are still alienated and enemies because of the wicked false doctrines possessing their minds.

Atonement = reconciliation
Where? In the body of Jesus Christ!
How? Through death of that condemned body!

F2F

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I did not see the word boy or island in that post.

I know. God's truth is universal.

 

[PinSeeker]

God cannot dwell in a condemned nature.

God does not "condemn a nature," F2F, He condemns the person for committing and not repenting of His sin. But Jesus had nothing to repent of, as He was without sin and fulfilled the law perfectly, so could not have been condemned for His own sin. But He was made to be sin on our behalf; this was His sacrifice as the Lamb of God. This is just what God covenanted with Abraham to do, both a.) to die if He, God, broke His end of the covenant (which He certainly did not), and also b.) to die in Abraham's and His progeny's place if he/they failed to hold up their end of the covenant. And because he/they ~ we ~ did fail, in the fullness of time God, in the Person of Jesus, was crucified. Jesus is both in the form of (morphe'... the very thing itself) God ~ the Son of God ~ and in the form of (morphe'... the very thing itself) man ~ the Son of Man. This is precisely why He was and is qualified as Mediator between God and man and His sacrifice was sufficient to satisfy God's perfect justice and accomplish our redemption.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[farouk]

But we are all born sinners.
This quote is an excellent answer about sin nature.
Are we all born sinners? | GotQuestions.org
Humanity is totally depraved; that is, all of us have a sinful nature that affects every part of us (Isaiah 53:6; Romans 7:14). The question is, where did that sinful nature come from? Were we born sinners, or did we simply choose to become sinners sometime after birth?

We are born with a sinful nature, and we inherited it from Adam. “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people” (Romans 5:12). Every one of us was affected by Adam’s sin; there are no exceptions. “One trespass resulted in condemnation for all people” (verse 18). We are all sinners, and we all share the same condemnation, because we are all children of Adam.

Scripture indicates that even children have a sin nature, which argues for the fact that we are born sinners. “Folly is bound up in the heart of a child” (Proverbs 22:15). David says, “Surely I was sinful at birth, / sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5). “Even from birth the wicked go astray; / from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies” (Psalm 58:3).

Before we were saved, “we were by nature deserving of wrath” (Ephesians 2:3). Note that we deserved God’s wrath not only because of our actions but because of our nature. That nature is what we inherited from Adam.

We are born sinners, and for that reason we are unable to do good in order to please God in our natural state, or the flesh: “Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God” (Romans 8:8). We were dead in our sins before Christ raised us to spiritual life (Ephesians 2:1). We lack any inherent spiritual good.

@Heart2Soul The glories of the gospel of the grace of God are in the context of sinners - being totally fallen and dead - needing it.

 

[face2face]

Ephesians 2:16: "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one BODY by the cross"

Wow they keep coming and there is nothing you can do about it!

This forum is oblivious to what God did in His Sons body!

It must be that way for many reasons.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

2 false doctrines destroy your understanding of the true Christ.
1. Trinity
2. Fallen angel theology
You will never reach him while this infestation is allowed to permeate your mind.
F2F

You've made your remarks to the wrong member. My posts do not encompass those points.

 

[face2face]

God does not "condemn a nature," F2F, He condemns the person for committing and not repenting of His sin. But Jesus had nothing to repent of, as He was without sin and fulfilled the law perfectly, so could not have been condemned for His own sin. But He was made to be sin on our behalf; this was His sacrifice as the Lamb of God. This is just what God covenanted with Abraham to do, both a.) to die if He, God, broke His end of the covenant (which He certainly did not), and also b.) to die in Abraham's and His progeny's place if he/they failed to hold up their end of the covenant. And because he/they ~ we ~ did fail, in the fullness of time God, in the Person of Jesus, was crucified. Jesus is both in the form of (morphe'... the very thing itself) God ~ the Son of God ~ and in the form of (morphe'... the very thing itself) man ~ the Son of Man. This is precisely why He was and is qualified as Mediator between God and man and His sacrifice was sufficient to satisfy God's perfect justice and accomplish our redemption.

Grace and peace to you.

Where was sin condemned?