Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[Skovand1075]

No.

John 1 tells us Jesus was God, the word, made flesh.

He didn't have a sin nature because he was in the form of man such as God creatred, but God was within him as much as that immense power can imbue flesh and bone.

So was Jesus ever tempted to sin?

 

[face2face]

Why lead out to be tempted if there wasn't a prone an exploitation.

How could God condemn sin in the flesh if Christ didn't have a sin bias nature? Romans 8:1-3

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

So was Jesus ever tempted to sin?

Satan tempted him during Jesus' 40 day fast on the desert. Because Satan didn't know he was the Son 8f God and God ,the word,made flesh.

Jesus never sinned.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

How could God condemn sin in the flesh if Christ didn't have a sin bias nature? Romans 8:1-3

How could Jesus save people from their sin nature if he had a sin nature? It would mean he would be saving himself as he saved us.

 

[Webers_Home]

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You believe Jesus had a sin nature?

It's accepted by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so
called fallen nature is propagated by men. Oh? From whence did Eve get it?

She was already alive and fully constructed with material taken from Adam's
body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after
his wife was already in existence; then it was impossible for Adam to pass
the fallen nature to her by means of his body.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I
seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat the fruit, and when she
did, nothing happened. She remained just as shameless in the buff as
before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that she began to feel exposed; so
I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the
chemistry of that fruit.

If Eve's fallen condition wasn't due to the fruit, nor due to Adam's body,
then what? Well; obviously the Serpent did it to them, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev
20:2)

The ruler of the kingdom of the air-- i.e. the spirit world --has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and
Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it
takes effect. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
immediately set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to
cover up their pelvic areas. (Apparently Eve remained comfortable
topless)

FAQ: Why wasn't the woman effected by the Serpent's power when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?

REPLY: It was apparently God's decision that if death was to come into the
world, it would come via a lone male's actions just as life would come into
the world via a lone male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of
the womb?

REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but
I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb; and if not in the womb,
then certainly no later than when we're born. (Ps 51:5 & Ps 58:3)

So then: even if Joseph had fathered baby Jesus, the child wouldn't have
necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it's not
passed on by one's father nor one's mother. It's obtained from humanity's
covert parent: the Devil-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called
fallen nature was just a simple matter of keeping the Devil's paws off him.
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[Skovand1075]

Satan tempted him during Jesus' 40 day fast on the desert. Because Satan didn't know he was the Son 8f God and God ,the word,made flesh.

Jesus never sinned.

What makes you think Satan was unaware? Did he not tempt him with three things that showcased he knew exactly who he was? How did you come to the conclusion Satan was unaware of who he was?

I agree he never sinned. Nothing I said indicated otherwise. What I said was in order to be tempted you have to be able to have been tempted?

why could Jesus be tempted but not Yahweh?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

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It's accepted by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so
called fallen nature is propagated by men. Oh? From whence did Eve get it?

She was already alive and fully constructed with material taken from Adam's
body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after
his wife was already in existence; then it was impossible for Adam to pass
the fallen nature to her by means of his body.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I
seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat the fruit, and when she
did, nothing happened. She remained just as shameless in the buff as
before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that she began to feel exposed; so
I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the
chemistry of that fruit.

If Eve's fallen condition wasn't due to the fruit, nor due to Adam's body,
then what? Well; obviously the Serpent did it to them, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev
20:2)

The ruler of the kingdom of the air-- i.e. the spirit world --has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and
Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it
takes effect. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
immediately set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to
cover up their pelvic areas. (Apparently Eve remained comfortable
topless)

FAQ: Why wasn't the woman effected by the Serpent's power when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?

REPLY: It was apparently God's decision that if death was to come into the
world, it would come via a lone male's actions just as life would come into
the world via a lone male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of
the womb?

REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but
I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb; and if not in the womb,
then certainly no later than when we're born. (Ps 51:5 & Ps 58:3)

So then: even if Joseph had fathered baby Jesus, the child wouldn't have
necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it's not
passed on by one's father nor one's mother. It's obtained from humanity's
covert parent: the Devil-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called
fallen nature was just a simple matter of keeping the Devil's paws off him.
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Thank you for going to all that trouble.

However, I think mine was a simple question requiring a simple yes or know answer.

Are you saying Jesus had a sin nature?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

What makes you think Satan was unaware? Did he not tempt him with three things that showcased he knew exactly who he was? How did you come to the conclusion Satan was unaware of who he was?

Because the temptations were predicated on the challenge to meet the temptation with proof Jesus was the Son of God.

Satan was obviously aware of Jesus' reputation as the son. Satan's temptations were designed to elicit an offer of proof.

I agree he never sinned. Nothing I said indicated otherwise. What I said was in order to be tempted you have to be able to have been tempted?

why could Jesus be tempted but not Yahweh?

You asked, ''So was Jesus ever tempted to sin?''
That Satan expended the effort in the desert as the temptor proves someone could tempt Jesus.

That is different than asking could Jesus succumb to temptation to sin?
That answer is, no.

Jesus was incapable of sinning.Jesus was the word made flesh. The word was God. Jesus was God in his entirety. Because all human flesh in the beginning was created by and in the image and likeness of God.

For Jesus to succumb to the temptation of sin he would have to deny his divine self and become dead to the leading of his own spirit.

Jesus cpuld be tempted to sin by the temptor. Just like his feet could be anointed with oil after being washed by a woman's tears.


However, he could never succumb to temptation.

 

[Skovand1075]

Because the temptations were predicated on the challenge to meet the temptation with proof Jesus was the Son of God.

Satan was obviously aware of Jesus' reputation as the son. Satan's temptations were designed to elicit an offer of proof.


You asked, ''So was Jesus ever tempted to sin?''
That Satan expended the effort in the desert as the temptor proves someone could tempt Jesus.

That is different than asking could Jesus succumb to temptation to sin?
That answer is, no.

Jesus was incapable of sinning.Jesus was the word made flesh. The word was God. Jesus was God in his entirety. Because all human flesh in the beginning was created by and in the image and likeness of God.

For Jesus to succumb to the temptation of sin he would have to deny his divine self and become dead to the leading of his own spirit.

Jesus cpuld be tempted to sin by the temptor. Just like his feet could be anointed with oil after being washed by a woman's tears.


However, he could never succumb to temptation.

Like 4:1-4 shows that Satan already knew who Jesus was. That’s why he came. He was not asking Jesus to prove who he was, but was asking Jesus to test God. Instead of the father being tested by Yahweh ( Abraham with Isaac ) , it was the son being tested about his father.

Furthermore we know that Satan tried to destroy Jesus through Herod. Revelation 12 talks about the woman and her son as they are attempted to be murdered.

can god be tempted? If not why?
Was Jesus tempted? If so why?

in order for Jesus to have sinned all he would have had to do is what we all do, choose to sin. If Jesus was incapable of sinning, then all his confrontations with sin was just a silly useless game. It means he never overcame anything.

jesus was a man. Jesus was born of a woman. Jesus faced sin like everyone else. Jesus overcame it all.

hwowver since this is the 2nd or 3rd time I repeated myself we come to this spot. Either you’ll agree im right , because im definitely not changing my mind, or either you’ll disagree, provide nothing new, I’ll disagree and can retype what I already did further in depth wasting my time, or I can left you know this is my last response. I don’t do circle arguments.
So this is my last response.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Like 4:1-4 shows that Satan already knew who Jesus was. That’s why he came. He was not asking Jesus to prove who he was, but was asking Jesus to test God. Instead of the father being tested by Yahweh ( Abraham with Isaac ) , it was the son being tested about his father.

Furthermore we know that Satan tried to destroy Jesus through Herod. Revelation 12 talks about the woman and her son as they are attempted to be murdered.

can god be tempted? If not why?
Was Jesus tempted? If so why?

in order for Jesus to have sinned all he would have had to do is what we all do, choose to sin. If Jesus was incapable of sinning, then all his confrontations with sin was just a silly useless game. It means he never overcame anything.

jesus was a man. Jesus was born of a woman. Jesus faced sin like everyone else. Jesus overcame it all.

hwowver since this is the 2nd or 3rd time I repeated myself we come to this spot. Either you’ll agree im right , because im definitely not changing my mind, or either you’ll disagree, provide nothing new, I’ll disagree and can retype what I already did further in depth wasting my time, or I can left you know this is my last response. I don’t do circle arguments.
So this is my last response.

Yes, I think that's best that you do.
Satan did not know who Jesus was in Luke 4.
Because he did not know whether or not Harrods effort had succeeded.
Nor does anything in Luke 4 tell us Satan knew who Jesus was.

Lastly, you appear intent on insisting Jesus had a sin nature.

Which would mean he could have sinned had he chosen to.

This means Jesus was born separated from God as are all people due to their fleshly sin nature.

Which would mean Jesus was not the word made flesh since God cannot sin nor be tempted to sin, nor deny himself.

Which would mean Jesus was just a man.

I've heard of a denomination that instructs in that way. That Jesus was just a man.
The miracles he performed were but God working through him because like his mother he was highly favored by God.

This is not at all able to be sustained by proper Exegesis using the scriptures.

Thank you for sharing your opinions with me.
God bless.

 

[Webers_Home]

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According to the New Testament, Jesus is God's offspring (Luke 1:35)

In point of fact, Jesus is God's one and only offspring, viz: there are no
others. (John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16, Hebrews 11:17, and 1 John 4:9)

God's offspring doesn't practice sin because it cannot sin. (1 John 3:9)

Born-again Christians sometimes like to think of themselves as God's
offspring but in reality they are merely His handiwork, i.e. creations.
(Ephesians 2:10, Colossians 3:10) and have a place in God's home by
adoption. (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:5, Ephesians 1:5)

Seeing as how God's adopted children are His handiwork rather than His
offspring, then it is possible for them to sin.

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in
us. . . . If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his
word has no place in our lives." (1 John 1:8-10)
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[face2face]

How could Jesus save people from their sin nature if he had a sin nature? It would mean he would be saving himself as he saved us.

True - you have just learned that Jesus cannot be God.

Hebrews 9:11-12

He (Jesus) did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption

Christianity has two problems with this subject.

If Christ didn't share our very nature then God did not truly condemn it and therefore the atonement was a fraud.
If Christ shared our very nature it means he himself must have taken part in the redemptive work else you are still in your sins.

Warning to the would be Christian...get Jesus' nature wrong and the consequences are disastrous. For there are many who don't believe Jesus came the flesh! and you know what they are called!

Never forget - Jesus is the firstborn from the dead - he either is or he isn't!

 

[face2face]

Satan tempted him during Jesus' 40 day fast on the desert. Because Satan didn't know he was the Son 8f God and God ,the word,made flesh.

Jesus never sinned.

You missed the point of the question - Did Jesus ever be tempted with sin.

The answer is yes many times. Hebrews 4:15

 

[Grailhunter]

How would you guys define a sin nature?

 

[BeyondET]

How could Jesus save people from their sin nature if he had a sin nature? It would mean he would be saving himself as he saved us.

He was strong in the sin of flesh he didn't sin while in the sinful flesh sin nature.

Rom8 3
For of the Law being powerless in that it was weak through the flesh, God, having sent His Son in likeness of sin of flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh,

 

[BeyondET]

How would you guys define a sin nature?

A human being

 

[Wrangler]

How could God condemn sin in the flesh if Christ didn't have a sin bias nature? Romans 8:1-3

I don't understand how you are connecting the 2 as they seem independent? I think 1 Corinthians 15:45-49 explains beautifully along with v 21-28. The seed of Adam was corrupt. So, God started anew Creation in Jesus, through which redemption of us all is to unfold.

 

[face2face]

How would you guys define a sin nature?

A nature which is flesh and blood with the proneness to sin. Paul calls it the "mind of the flesh" because its the flesh's desires and lusts which are activated in the mind that produces sin. Hence why Paul states, "Let this mind be in you...." Philippians 2:5 - Jesus & us both have two minds

1. Carnal
2. Spiritual

Christ never acted on 1...only 2! though tempted in all ways to do so, he never acted on the flesh's desire but crucified those desires every time.

F2F

 

[face2face]

I don't understand how you are connecting the 2 as they seem independent? I think 1 Corinthians 15:45-49 explains beautifully along with v 21-28. The seed of Adam was corrupt. So, God started anew Creation in Jesus, through which redemption of us all is to unfold.

Why is Jesus constantly called the Son of Man? of the Seed of David? Seed of Abraham and so on!
Read Hebrews 2:14-17 really carefully!!!

 

[face2face]

I don't understand how you are connecting the 2 as they seem independent? I think 1 Corinthians 15:45-49 explains beautifully along with v 21-28. The seed of Adam was corrupt. So, God started anew Creation in Jesus, through which redemption of us all is to unfold.

You are using 1 Corinthians wrong Wrangler.
"Became!"
So many Christians get his nature wrong...from what he was to what he became.
The Trinity stuffs up the Atonement so badly...destroys its principles.