Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[Heart2Soul]

No, I don't believe anyone is born with a sin nature.

But we are all born sinners.
This quote is an excellent answer about sin nature.
Are we all born sinners? | GotQuestions.org
Humanity is totally depraved; that is, all of us have a sinful nature that affects every part of us (Isaiah 53:6; Romans 7:14). The question is, where did that sinful nature come from? Were we born sinners, or did we simply choose to become sinners sometime after birth?

We are born with a sinful nature, and we inherited it from Adam. “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people” (Romans 5:12). Every one of us was affected by Adam’s sin; there are no exceptions. “One trespass resulted in condemnation for all people” (verse 18). We are all sinners, and we all share the same condemnation, because we are all children of Adam.

Scripture indicates that even children have a sin nature, which argues for the fact that we are born sinners. “Folly is bound up in the heart of a child” (Proverbs 22:15). David says, “Surely I was sinful at birth, / sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5). “Even from birth the wicked go astray; / from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies” (Psalm 58:3).

Before we were saved, “we were by nature deserving of wrath” (Ephesians 2:3). Note that we deserved God’s wrath not only because of our actions but because of our nature. That nature is what we inherited from Adam.

We are born sinners, and for that reason we are unable to do good in order to please God in our natural state, or the flesh: “Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God” (Romans 8:8). We were dead in our sins before Christ raised us to spiritual life (Ephesians 2:1). We lack any inherent spiritual good.

 

[Bob Estey]

But we are all born sinners.
This quote is an excellent answer about sin nature.
Are we all born sinners? | GotQuestions.org
Humanity is totally depraved; that is, all of us have a sinful nature that affects every part of us (Isaiah 53:6; Romans 7:14). The question is, where did that sinful nature come from? Were we born sinners, or did we simply choose to become sinners sometime after birth?

We are born with a sinful nature, and we inherited it from Adam. “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people” (Romans 5:12). Every one of us was affected by Adam’s sin; there are no exceptions. “One trespass resulted in condemnation for all people” (verse 18). We are all sinners, and we all share the same condemnation, because we are all children of Adam.

Scripture indicates that even children have a sin nature, which argues for the fact that we are born sinners. “Folly is bound up in the heart of a child” (Proverbs 22:15). David says, “Surely I was sinful at birth, / sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5). “Even from birth the wicked go astray; / from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies” (Psalm 58:3).

Before we were saved, “we were by nature deserving of wrath” (Ephesians 2:3). Note that we deserved God’s wrath not only because of our actions but because of our nature. That nature is what we inherited from Adam.

We are born sinners, and for that reason we are unable to do good in order to please God in our natural state, or the flesh: “Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God” (Romans 8:8). We were dead in our sins before Christ raised us to spiritual life (Ephesians 2:1). We lack any inherent spiritual good.

I don't believe we are born sinners. We all disobey God, sooner or later, and in so doing, create a desire inside ourselves to sin more.

 

[Skovand1075]

No one is born with a sin nature. There is no such thing. There is just free will. We are all born capable of reaching a age, potentially, where we can choose good or evil. Same with Adam and Eve. They could choose good or evil just us, in their story.

 

[Skovand1075]

Why would anyone ask such a SILLY QUESTION unless he loves to stir the pot?

It’s actually a good thing. Everyone should bring up every question they have. Study it out.

so did Jesus have the ability to sin? Yes. He could have sinned. He was tempted. In order to be tempted something has to look good. So sin looked good to Jesus. But he did not chance the fantasy, he took thoughts captive and choose righteousness.

 

[BeyondET]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

These verses are interesting knows enough to choose, born with the ability but chose good it seems to me. I don't think he was above anyone else in that regards

Isaiah 7
15By the time He knows enough to reject evil and choose good, He will be eating curds and honey. 16For before the boy knows enough to reject evil and choose good, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.

 

[Enoch111]

so did Jesus have the ability to sin? Yes.

Sin Jesus is God in human form, that is a "No". But if you do not believe in His deity, you can come up with any answer.

 

[Enoch111]

I don't think he was above anyone else in that regards

Same answer. Jesus was (and is) fully God and fully sinless Man. So He could not sin, He would not sin, and He hated sin.

 

[Enoch111]

No one is born with a sin nature. There is no such thing.

This is very revealing. It shows that you are clueless about these spiritual things.

 

[Skovand1075]

This is very revealing. It shows that you are clueless about these spiritual things.

It shows that I’ve studied this out. Let’s try this.

in what way did Adam sin that was different from us? If he did not have a sin nature then how did he sin? How was it different from the way you or I sin?

Also can you show me verses that state there is some kind of sin nature that is not merely free will? When you become a Christian, does you sin nature change? Is the sin nature related to “original sin “?

 

[BeyondET]

Same answer. Jesus was (and is) fully God and fully sinless Man. So He could not sin, He would not sin, and He hated sin.

He humbled Himself to that level was the only way to fully become the offer. And yes He did not sin either quite the feat. literally carry the sins of man on His shoulders

 

[Webers_Home]

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I have to point out that Luke is relating Joseph's ancestry, not Mary's.

I personally don't recommend Luke 3:23 to establish either Mary's or
Joseph's connection to David because the language, the grammar, and the
punctuation are much too controversial.

Along with the language, the grammar, and the punctuation issue; there's a
serious question about the listings of Shealtiel and Zerubbabel. In Matthew's
genealogy, the two men are linked to David via Solomon. In Luke's
genealogy, they're linked to David via Solomon's brother Nathan.

Their respective descendants are different too. Zerubbabel's son is listed as
Abihud in Matthew's genealogy, whereas his son is listed as Rhesa in Luke's.

It's been suggested that Shealtiel and Zerubbabel are common names so we
shouldn't be surprised to find them listed in both genealogies. However, they
are related as father and son in both genealogies, which we cannot expect
reasonable people to accept as mere coincidence.

Unfortunately, to date there exists no consensus among the experts how
best to resolve the confusion caused by the presence of Shealtiel and
Zerubbabel in both genealogies. Therefore I think we pretty much have to
concede that the data is compromised and should probably seriously
consider finding alternative ways to link the holy couple to David.
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[Webers_Home]

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in what way did Adam sin that was different from us?

Adam's mental state at the time was very different.

Eph 2:2-3 says that we are by nature children of wrath. In contrast, Adam
was fresh out of the oven in the image and likeness of God; so he wasn't by
nature a child of wrath, rather; he was by nature a child of benevolence.

Eph 2:2-3 also says that people today are children of disobedience. In
contrast; Adam was a child of innocence.

Plus: Eph 2:2-3 says that people today are unwittingly marching to the
music of a dark being, whereas in the beginning; Adam marched to his own
music.
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[Skovand1075]

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I personally don't recommend Luke 3:23 to establish either Mary's or
Joseph's connection to David because the language, the grammar, and the
punctuation are much too controversial.

Along with the language, the grammar, and the punctuation issue; there's a
serious question about the listings of Shealtiel and Zerubbabel. In Matthew's
genealogy, the two men are linked to David via Solomon. In Luke's
genealogy, they're linked to David via Solomon's brother Nathan.

Their respective descendants are different too. Zerubbabel's son is listed as
Abihud in Matthew's genealogy, whereas his son is listed as Rhesa in Luke's.

It's been suggested that Shealtiel and Zerubbabel are common names so we
shouldn't be surprised to find them listed in both genealogies. However, they
are related as father and son in both genealogies, which we cannot expect
reasonable people to accept as mere coincidence.

Unfortunately, to date there exists no consensus among the experts how
best to resolve the confusion caused by the presence of Shealtiel and
Zerubbabel in both genealogies. Therefore I think we pretty much have to
concede that the data is compromised and should probably seriously
consider finding alternative ways to link the holy couple to David.
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jews did not use genealogies in the same way modern thinkers do. They were used as a story, not necessarily a actual relationship lineage. The purpose of the genealogies there was to highlight the royalty of Jesus and to show why the blood curse was not on him.

 

[MatthewG]

No, I don't believe anyone is born with a sin nature.

Thank you for telling everyone, Bob. Interesting take.

 

[Skovand1075]

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Adam's mental state at the time was very different.

Eph 2:2-3 says that we are by nature children of wrath. In contrast, Adam
was fresh out of the oven in the image and likeness of God; so he wasn't by
nature a child of wrath, rather; he was by nature a child of benevolence.

Eph 2:2-3 also says that people today are children of disobedience. In
contrast; Adam was a child of innocence.

Plus: Eph 2:2-3 says that people today are unwittingly marching to the
music of a dark being, whereas in the beginning; Adam marched to his own
music.
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In the image of god refers to the role of mankind “ Adam means mankind “ to co-rule the earth with El.

The verses you’re alluding to see these correct?
Ephesians 2:1-3
New American Standard Bible
1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

none of that supports the claims you’re making about Adam.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

No.

John 1 tells us Jesus was God, the word, made flesh.

He didn't have a sin nature because he was in the form of man such as God creatred, but God was within him as much as that immense power can imbue flesh and bone.

 

[Webers_Home]

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• 1John 4:2-3 . . By this you know the Spirit of God . . Every spirit that
confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit
that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
And this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard was coming,
and is now already in the world.

The flesh spoken of in that passage is David's flesh.

"I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to David My
servant: I will establish your seed forever" (Ps 89:3-4)

"He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and
said, 'I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who
will do all My will. From this man's seed, according to the promise, God
raised up for Israel a Savior -- Jesus" (Acts 13:22-24"

"Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to
the flesh" (Rom 1:1-3)

In order for Jesus be born with David's flesh, he needed a mother
biologically related to David because Joseph played no role in her pregnancy.

"The angel said unto her: You shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a
son, and shalt call his name Jesus . . . and the Lord God shall give unto him
the throne of his father David: (Luke 1:30-32)

Jesus' flesh is also Eve's flesh.

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring
and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (Gen 3:15)

So then, unless someone can prove beyond even a hint of sensible doubt
that neither Mary nor David were biologically related to Eve, then we must
concede that Jesus is biologically related to Eve; and seeing as how Eve's
body was constructed with material taken from Adam's body, then everyone
and anyone descending from Eve is/are Adam's descendants according to
the flesh.

Now, according to 1John 4:2-3, folks insisting that neither Mary, nor David,
nor Eve, nor Adam had any role in producing Jesus' flesh, are presently
under the influence of the spirit of antichrist; and that is a really unfortunate
condition to be in.

"If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."
(Rom 8:9)
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[face2face]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

You mean a sin prone nature.
F2F

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

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• 1John 4:2-3 . . By this you know the Spirit of God . . Every spirit that
confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit
that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
And this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard was coming,
and is now already in the world.

The flesh spoken of in that passage is David's flesh.

"I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to David My
servant: I will establish your seed forever" (Ps 89:3-4)

"He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and
said, 'I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who
will do all My will. From this man's seed, according to the promise, God
raised up for Israel a Savior -- Jesus" (Acts 13:22-24"

"Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to
the flesh" (Rom 1:1-3)

In order for Jesus be born with David's flesh, he needed a mother
biologically related to David because Joseph played no role in her pregnancy.

"The angel said unto her: You shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a
son, and shalt call his name Jesus . . . and the Lord God shall give unto him
the throne of his father David: (Luke 1:30-32)

Jesus' flesh is also Eve's flesh.

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring
and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (Gen 3:15)

So then, unless someone can prove beyond even a hint of sensible doubt
that neither Mary nor David were biologically related to Eve, then we must
concede that Jesus is biologically related to Eve; and seeing as how Eve's
body was constructed with material taken from Adam's body, then everyone
and anyone descending from Eve is/are Adam's descendants according to
the flesh.

Now, according to 1John 4:2-3, folks insisting that neither Mary, nor David,
nor Eve, nor Adam had any role in producing Jesus' flesh, are presently
under the influence of the spirit of antichrist; and that is a really unfortunate
condition to be in.

"If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."
(Rom 8:9)
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You believe Jesus had a sin nature?

 

[BeyondET]

You mean a sin prone nature.
F2F

Why lead out to be tempted if there wasn't a prone an exploitation.