Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus called Judas a devil and Peter satan, since they were yet acting in their carnal nature and mind, and those that be of men.

Yet scripturally Peter received from GOD the FATHER revelation about Jesus as the Messiah, than Judas who continued in the same manner.

Jesus prevented satan's request from testing Peter, but as for Judas Jesus allowed satan to enter later for the betrayal take place.

Judas since the beginning probably been skeptical that Jesus is the true promised Messiah, probably not whom he pictured to be carnally.

And he also probably continued with many conflicting thoughts while serving Jesus and the Kingdom of GOD.

As a result towards the end even had the thought to betray Him and get money in return.

But Peter had no such thought, but were confused and perceive not, many of Jesus' saying and doing as the Messiah for Israel.

About Judas from the beginning Jesus was prophesying evil things of him, and even in a prayer to the FATHER that sadly he had to be lost.

For the scripture declares, satan entered into Judas, as how satan in the future enters into anti-Christ.

Both happen to be normal men, but inwardly satan is at work through them, since the truth and the things of GOD never in them.

Why did Jesus on the Cross prayed to the FATHER, 'Forgive them, they knew not what they do.'?

Because as Jesus said, 'The god of this world have blinded the minds of unbelievers.'

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

Fred is responding to himself now - do you need convincing Fred?

 

[Fred J]

Fred is responding to himself now - do you need convincing Fred?

What are you babbling about?

 

[Hiddenthings]

What are you babbling about?

I couldn’t help but notice you were talking in circles, almost as if you were trying to convince yourself of your own false teachings. It’s really not a good look, Fred.

Plenty of posts with truth in them here for you to respond to.

 

[Lambano]

If it’s that obvious, it shouldn’t be difficult for you to prove.

Be honest, Fred's post - do you think he provided any evidence?

Evidence? The fact that the biblical writers even mentioned evil supernatural beings is evidence that they believed such beings exist. Whether they actually do exist is a related, but different subject.

I have my own reasons for believing they actually do exist, but my experiences are somewhat subjective.

 

[Hiddenthings]

What entered Judas' mind?
What was the timing of this?
Why did Jesus say "do it quickly"?

@Fred J I'm helping you to ask the right questions so you can arrive at the right answers.

Do what quickly Fred?
Why would Jesus want what Judas was about to do quickly?

 

[Fred J]

That’s right! Jesus knew Judas would ultimately act on the betrayal already forming in his mind. He knew what was in him and the plans he had been making leading up to that moment. These were adversarial (satan) intentions Judas had been scheming for some time! It’s not as though some evil being suddenly took control of him in that instant () that idea is simply unfounded. Do you realize what you're suggesting?

The "idea" to leave Jesus and go to fulfill his desire is the Satan which entered him!

It's no different to Peter!

Matthew 16:23 (KJV) where Jesus rebukes Peter for opposing God’s plan: “But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”

You can learn the truth Fred...just read the Bible with more care.

The very thought of the flesh and it's fruits were in Judas since the beginning.

But at the time of the Supper the thought of betrayal and greed for money was in him.

Therefore then Jesus allowed satan to enter Judas and finally it was time to act on it.

Now if have another version of it, run with it, why do you need to make fun of others like a clown?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Evidence? The fact that the biblical writers even mentioned evil supernatural beings is evidence that they believed such beings exist. Whether they actually do exist is a related, but different subject.

I have my own reasons for believing they actually do exist, but my experiences are somewhat subjective.

The issue, Lambano, is that every single scripture used to support belief in this so called “monster” can be clearly explained with a proper understanding of the word’s meaning and its context.

Unfortunately, most Christians take the easy route, making assumptions without ever truly digging in to understand the subject.

The evidence is underwhelming at best.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Therefore then Jesus allowed satan to enter Judas and finally it was time to act on it.

@Lambano see what I mean!

Do you realize what it takes, mentally and spiritually, for a Christian to reach this point? Just imagine the level of delusion the web of fabricated lies and self-deception, that must take place for a sincere believer to speak such words.

I eagerly await the Lords coming to clean up this mess once and for all.

 

[Lambano]

Just imagine believing that the same divine nature angels possess is what the saints will receive...and then thinking that this divine nature can sin. It’s laughable to believe that your own reward is to be given a sinful nature.

Kinda hard to make an argument based on the nature of the supernatural, isn't it? Like we really know what we're talking about. What is the nature of God? The nature of Jesus? The nature of the Holy Spirit? The nature of angels? The nature of devils? The nature of resurrected human beings?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Kinda hard to make an argument based on the nature of the supernatural, isn't it? Like we really know what we're talking about. What is the nature of God? The nature of Jesus? The nature of the Holy Spirit? The nature of angels? The nature of devils? The nature of resurrected human beings?

Lambano, all share the same divine nature!

In Scripture, “devils” always refer to human beings the term simply means “false accuser” and is never used in a positive sense.

As Jesus said in Matthew 15:19 (ESV): “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.”

These things don’t come from some imaginary supernatural being, they come from within.

You both would know this if you knew the Lords teaching on the source of sin and evil.

 

[Lambano]

Lambano, all share the same divine nature!

What are the properties the divine nature, and how do you know they all share it? In what proportions? How does that nature interact with the properties of other natures such beings may have?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Kinda hard to make an argument based on the nature of the supernatural, isn't it? Like we really know what we're talking about. What is the nature of God? The nature of Jesus? The nature of the Holy Spirit? The nature of angels? The nature of devils? The nature of resurrected human beings?

Once again, this reflects a lack of understanding, even though your Lord taught you clearly:

Luke 20:36 – “For they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.”

Can you explain why angels and the saints would have a different nature if all will behold the face of God?

Maybe angels have a different Holy Nature in that they can sin whereas Saints will have some other Holy Nature that can't.

Ah...no!

You’ve either misunderstood all the Scripture concerning angels and their state—or you’re suggesting there’s something inconsistent about God’s nature.

You can do the math.

 

[Hiddenthings]

What’s remarkable is that a deceived Christian will still say, “No! Angels can die!,” even though their own Lord clearly said they cannot.

What you’re witnessing in this conversation is the full effect of pagan influence on the Word of God and the inconsistencies it produces can be seen in verse after verse!

There are no inconsistencies only hidden wisdom yet to be revealed.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I'm heading over to speak to a more positve subject with Matthias one eight Kingdom texts on the coming Kingdom...might see you there.

 

[Lambano]

Once again, this reflects a lack of understanding, even though your Lord taught you clearly:

Luke 20:36 – “For they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.”

Can you explain why angels and the saints would have a different nature if all will behold the face of God?

Okay, so immortality is a shared property between the categories of "resurrected human" and "angel".

But what that also shows is that the categories we call "nature" are not immutable.

 

[Lambano]

What I do find interesting is how the Jewish perception of Satan changed between when Job was written and New Testament times.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What I do find interesting is how the Jewish perception of Satan changed between when Job was written and New Testament times.

The devil is still a liar and is still claiming man should not accept all that the Lord says.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

“No! Angels can die!,” even though their own Lord clearly said they cannot.

For God's viewpoint, death is to be permanently separated from Him.
It does not mean cease to exist.

So in this context angels that follow satan can and will die since they will spend eternity being tormented in hell having been separated from the Lord and His Kingdom.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Can you explain why angels and the saints would have a different nature if all will behold the face of God?

Man is created in God's Image. Angels are not.

Did you ever see the scripture talking about the saints will sit in judgement over the angels?

That's because we are IN Christ, they are not. The saints are higher than the angels and are superior because we are IN Christ.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Actually, yes it is in the original text.

2:23 τοῦτον τῇ ὡρισμένῃ βουλῇ καὶ προγνώσει τοῦ θεοῦ ἔκδοτον λαβόντες διὰ χειρῶν ἀνόμων προσπήξαντες ἀνείλετε

Horizo: determined, decreed, ordained.
Boule: plan, will

So, it was the plan all along that Jesus would be betrayed. "Judas, being Judas, could do no other." How can we still say that Judas was morally culpable for his actions when he was following God's preordained will? Does anyone else find this unsettling?

No.
I've asked other Christians for years,if not for Judas how would Jesus have died for our sins?
Never an answer. Just avoidance as they condemned Judas.