Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

[Big Boy Johnson]

if not for Judas how would Jesus have died for our sins?

People worry about the most goofyest things!

That is the answer. If Judas wouldn't cooperate with the devil, the devil would have conned one of the other disciples

It's all a moot point now right? Jesus did died for our sins, so why wonder about a n on thing?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Some think satan is one of God's employees and stealing and killing and destroying God's people based on God telling him to do so which is a trick of the devil and one of his lies to convince people to lay down under satan's attacks and receive defeat.

God will use Satan as He wants to. He can do many things, but He is still under the control of God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Man is created in God's Image. Angels are not.

The shared ignorance in this thread has become overwhelming.

Why is that you, Fred and (possibly) Lambano all reject the Lords teaching yet you all claim to his followers?

Luke 20:36 – “For they (Saints) cannot die anymore, because they (Saints) are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.”

Angels and Saints are all Sons of God!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Did you ever see the scripture talking about the saints will sit in judgement over the angels?

This only proves you know nothing of what Paul is referring to in that section. Big Boy Johnson needs to go back to Little Boy Sunday School!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Okay, so immortality is a shared property between the categories of "resurrected human" and "angel".

But what that also shows is that the categories we call "nature" are not immutable.

Correct.
All are the Sons of God and we have been made in their image being the Glorified Heavenly Host who behold the Face of God always!

Our current nature isn’t something that can simply be saved, it must be transformed. We must be clothed with immortality. Flesh and blood will give way to a new reality: flesh and spirit, just as we read of angels appearing as men in physical form.

Does this suggest that we, too, will become spiritual beings sent to minister to mortals during the Kingdom age? Certainly!

Will we be able to contract our Glory? Absolutely!

 

[Hiddenthings]

God will use Satan as He wants to. He can do many things, but He is still under the control of God.

God is referred to as Satan in 1 Chronicles 21:1 cmp 2 Samuel 24:1 so I guess you are right LOL

 

[Hiddenthings]

It could be possible that you don't know the subject you are musing upon and more work is needed by you all.

Just an observation

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

What entered Judas' mind?
What was the timing of this?
Why did Jesus say "do it quickly"?

@Fred J I'm helping you to ask the right questions so you can arrive at the right answers.

Do what quickly Fred?
Why would Jesus want what Judas was about to do quickly?

Jesus had to die before Passover.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

God is referred to as Satan in 1 Chronicles 21:1 cmp 2 Samuel 24:1 so I guess you are right LOL

No,God is not referred to as Satan in

 

[quietthinker]

Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??​

or Pinocchio or Ghenghis Khan ??

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus had to die before Passover.

Yes a lot of events needed to happen for that sacrifice to happen.

Luke 12:50 (ESV): "I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!"

Jesus understood Judas had to follow through with his plan and for the Lord to say "do it quickly" was in affect him saying once you have hardened your mind to do this thing, do it!

The timimg of the thought (satan) entering him was pivitol in God's foreordained plan to be fulfilled.

No supernatural being is involved here just a deceived man who wanted fame and fortune and instead suffered a fools death.

 

[Hiddenthings]

No,God is not referred to as Satan in

It was nice picture Sister!

"Again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, ‘Go, number Israel and Judah.’" 2 Samuel 24:1

All commentators know Who the Satan was here referred to - but try as you might!

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

It was nice picture Sister!

"Again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, ‘Go, number Israel and Judah.’" 2 Samuel 24:1

All commentators know Who the Satan was here referred to - but try as you might!

Please show the link to those commentators who declare Satan there in that passage is God.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Yes a lot of events needed to happen for that sacrifice to happen.

Luke 12:50 (ESV): "I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!"

Jesus understood Judas had to follow through with his plan and for the Lord to say "do it quickly" was in affect him saying once you have hardened your mind to do this thing, do it!

The timimg of the thought (satan) entering him was pivitol in God's foreordained plan to be fulfilled.

No supernatural being is involved here just a deceived man who wanted fame and fortune and instead suffered a fools death.

Satan possessed Judas.

Judas didn't receive fame and fortune after.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Please show the link to those commentators who declare Satan there in that passage is God.

It’s clear that you haven’t fully grasped the meaning of the word or how it’s used in Scripture. Rather than me stepping into the role of teacher, I’d encourage you to study it for yourself, because when you discover the truth firsthand, you’re far more likely to truly understand and own it.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Satan possessed Judas.

possessed is not mentioned in the text and is not in the context!

What entered him at that moment was the adversarial thought, the intent to betray Christ.

Judas didn't receive fame and fortune after.

Correct, he took his own life in shame.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Please show the link to those commentators who declare Satan there in that passage is God.

In order to bring judgment against Israel, the Lord “incited David” to “take a census of Israel and Judah.” The writer’s attribution of the action to the Lord is not contradictory to 1 Chr 21:1; it reflects his understanding that Yahweh is Lord of the universe, exercising dominion over all powers and authorities, whether in heaven or on earth (cf. Ps 97:9; Eph 1:20). Robert D. Bergen, 1 2 Samuel, vol. 7 of The New American Commentary (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1996), 474–475.

You see Sister...Satan merely means adversary and in this context its in the positive!

It's a challenging passage because most commentators struggle to impose pagan god theology onto the text, it simply doesn’t align with the context.

It's what you and others here in this thread are trying to do with Judas and his actions.

It's what Christians do a lot of the time with the Word of God.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

In order to bring judgment against Israel, the Lord “incited David” to “take a census of Israel and Judah.” The writer’s attribution of the action to the Lord is not contradictory to 1 Chr 21:1; it reflects his understanding that Yahweh is Lord of the universe, exercising dominion over all powers and authorities, whether in heaven or on earth (cf. Ps 97:9; Eph 1:20). Robert D. Bergen, 1 2 Samuel, vol. 7 of The New American Commentary (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1996), 474–475.

You see Sister...Satan merely means adversary and in this context its in the positive!

It's a challenging passage because most commentators struggle to impose pagan god theology onto the text, it simply doesn’t align with the context.

It's what you and others here in this thread are trying to do with Judas and his actions.

It's what Christians do a lot of the time with the Word of God.

Except there is 2 Samuel 24:1.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

possessed is not mentioned in the text and is not in the context!

What entered him at that moment was the adversarial thought, the intent to betray Christ.

John 13:27. Satan entered him . Tat is possession.

Correct, he took his own life in shame.

Because he realized what happened outside of his control being Satan had entered him.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Sister-n-Christ @Lambano @Fred J

Do you know how many times the word Satan (adversary) is used in John's Gospel?