Christ is the Rock not Peter,so therefore Peter cannot be the Rock of whom the Church is built... Bout to go to sleep now,will comment more later...
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n2thelight;74613]Christ is the Rock not Peter said:Correct, Jesus Christ is our RockIn the verse Mat 16:18, we have two types of "rock." the first, Peter = a (piece of) rock, the second, refering to Jesus is "a (mass of) rock." Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (G4074), and upon this rock (G4073) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. G4074Πέτρος, Petros, pet'-rosApparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.G4073πέτρα, petra, pet'-ra, Feminine of the same as G4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock.Do not believe someone that will tell you the Church, the entire assembly of believers in Jesus Christ, was built on Peter, only a piece of rock.
n2thelight;74613]Christ is the Rock not Peter said:St. Peter was the rock that Christ will build His Church on. Jesus never spoke Greek, which makes the Greek translation in error. Jesus had always spoken Aramic. The Aramic word for "rock" is Cephas. That is why in the Bible, St. Paul calls St. Peter "Cephas." He was using Peter's Aramic name. Therefore, when Jesus spoke to St. Peter in the language that He was speaking, this is what He said:Blessed are you, Simon Barjona. Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven, so I now say to you: You are Peter (Cephas) and on this rock (Cephas), I will build my Church. In Aramic, there is only one word for "rock." And Aramic is the language that Jesus spoke.
The Bible specifically stated: So, now I say to you. You are Peter (Cephas) and on this rock (Cephas), I will build my church. (Matthew 16:18). And Christ said it in Aramic because that was the language He spoke, not Greek.Christina;74636 said:Christ is the Rock God built his church on ..The church was not built on a man but the Son of God ....
By the way, I forgot to mention that Christ the Rock is the Head of that Church that He established. St. Peter, whose name was also Rock and changed by Christ Himself, was the one to lead that Church. This explains why Christ gave St. Peter and only St. Peter the keys and told St. Peter and only St. Peter to take care of His entire flock (John 21:15-18).Christina;74636 said:Christ is the Rock God built his church on ..The church was not built on a man but the Son of God ....
Good study JerryJohnson, our Rock is Jesus Christ! Others may follow the little piece of rock wherever they want but then they have been deluted for a long time. Someday they will find out.jerryjohnson;74622]Correct said:Peter (G4074)[/COLOR], and upon this rock (G4073) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. G4074Πέτρος, Petros, pet'-rosApparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786. G4073πέτρα, petra, pet'-ra, Feminine of the same as G4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock. Do not believe someone that will tell you the Church, the entire assembly of believers in Jesus Christ, was built on Peter, only a piece of rock.
path;74660]Good study JerryJohnson said:Yes, except for one little thing. Jesus never spoke Greek. He spoke Aramic, and Aramic was translated into Greek. In Aramic, the word "Peter" and "rock" are exactly the same. It is Cephas.
Diana;74663]Yes said:You may build your house on the sand (little rocks) if you want.
n2thelight;74613]Christ is the Rock not Peter said:Actually I don't believe it was Peter or Jesus. I believe it was,Matthew 16:15-18 ( KJV ) He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I beileve it was the confession Peter made, "Thou art the Christ"I don't see how it could be Peter since Peter is a small stone and Rock is a massive one.
-----------path;74664 said:You may build your house on the sand (little rocks) if you want.
Your response here doesn't really dispute anything I said about Jesus speaking Aramic. Or perhaps, you believe that Jesus spoke Greek 2000 years ago?path;74664 said:You may build your house on the sand (little rocks) if you want.
Butch5;74666]However said:St. Matthew never translated it into Greek. It was later translated into Greek by someone else. When St. Matthew wrote his Gospel, he was writing it to the Jews to convert them to Christianity. Matthew's Gospel was meant for the Jews to read. St. Peter also spoke Aramic, not Greek.
Diana;74663]Yes said:However, Mathew originally wrote his gospel in Aramaic and later translated it to Greek. Why would he use the two different Greek words if he originally used the same word in Aramaic?