WATER BAPTISM, TWO PLACES

[H. Richard]

What you reveal is passages you misunderstand.

It is the obedient that are not under the Law.

If a person transgresses against the Law then they are under the Law.

The Law is for the disobedient as the obedient need no Law as it is written in their hearts and minds. (1 Timothy 1:9)

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The child of God has the very righteousness of God IMPUTED to him/her. Since they have God's righteousness they are not under the law because they have God's righteousness..

They are obedient because they place their belief, faith, trust, and confidence in His work on the cross to save them

 

[Born_Again]

What you reveal is passages you misunderstand.

It is the obedient that are not under the Law.

If a person transgresses against the Law then they are under the Law.

The Law is for the disobedient as the obedient need no Law as it is written in their hearts and minds. (1 Timothy 1:9)

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I grow tired of this. No matter how much I show in the scriptures that say we are no longer under the law people will say we are. No matter how much I show that indicates Jesus and the 12 (or 11) never rescinded the law. People will ignore it.
No matter how much evidence I show that Paul and James were not teaching the same thing people will ignore it.

We are under the grace gospel that was given to Paul for the whole world. Under grace the law does not apply. In this age of God's grace it is all about Jesus and His work on the cross. And as Paul stated if anyone preach a gospel that is different from his let that person be accursed. Paul said we are not under the law; if anyone says we are then let them be accursed.

Okay you two... So where does this come into play...

17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…

 

[H. Richard]

Okay you two... So where does this come into play...

17Do not think that I have come the Law or the Prophets; I have not come but to fulfill them.18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…

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Just because the children of God are not under the law does not mean the law ceased to exist. Those that have not placed their belief, faith, trust, and confidence in Jesus' work on the cross will be judged by the law. It is common sense that those "in Christ" have already been judged and found to have God's righteousness imputed to them.

 

[Stranger]

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Just because the children of God are not under the law does not mean the law ceased to exist. Those that have not placed their belief, faith, trust, and confidence in Jesus' work on the cross will be judged by the law. It is common sense that those "in Christ" have already been judged and found to have God's righteousness imputed to them.

"till"

Matt. 5:17-18

Stranger

 

[kerwin]

Okay you two... So where does this come into play...

17Do not think that I have come the Law or the Prophets; I have not come but to fulfill them.18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…

I believe H.Richard regards sin as lack of faith and from what he just wrote it seems that is the meaning he extends to the disobedient.

I look at the Law of Moses as an oath that the people of Israel took with God that they would all the commandments written within in exchange for him being their God. It is a oath that is only binding to the children of Israel that are descended through the flesh or conversion and does not apply to those Gentiles that have not chosen to become Jews. Instead there is an older Law, which is applied to all humanity and of which the Law of Moses is a specific type that include customs and other things that only apply to Jews and the land of Israel. The sum of the older Law is Love.

Jesus; audience is Jews and he is speaking of the Law of Moses. Many, if not all Dispisationalist see the difference between how Jews are instructed to behave under the new covenant and how Gentiles are to behave as evidence of a difference in covenants but I just view it as whether you are Jew or Gentile keeping your oaths, especially to God, is a fruit of the Spirit.

 

[H. Richard]

I believe H.Richard regards sin as lack of faith and from what he just wrote it seems that is the meaning he extends to the disobedient.

I look at the Law of Moses as an oath that the people of Israel took with God that they would all the commandments written within in exchange for him being their God. It is a oath that is only binding to the children of Israel that are descended through the flesh or conversion and does not apply to those Gentiles that have not chosen to become Jews. Instead there is an older Law, which is applied to all humanity and of which the Law of Moses is a specific type that include customs and other things that only apply to Jews and the land of Israel. The sum of the older Law is Love.

Jesus; audience is Jews and he is speaking of the Law of Moses. Many, if not all Dispisationalist see the difference between how Jews are instructed to behave under the new covenant and how Gentiles are to behave as evidence of a difference in covenants but I just view it as whether you are Jew or Gentile keeping your oaths, especially to God, is a fruit of the Spirit.

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All through the Bible those that believed God were justified. Those that did not were not justified.

Eve believed Satan instead of God.
Cain believed that he could substitute the works of his hands for a blood sacrifice.God had told him it must be a blood sacrifice.
When the Jews came to the gate city to the promised land, God said He would drive out the people living there. Did the Jews believe God? No they did not and God made them spend 40 years in the wilderness.
When Jesus came did the Jews believe He was their Messiah and King? No they didn't and God destroyed the Temple and dispersed the Jews from Israel.

God has now offered a salvation that is totally dependent on the work of Jesus on the cross; dependent on Jesus' shed blood. It is a new plan that was "HIDDEN IN GOD". Do the religious believe it? -- No they do not. What they believe in is a blended gospel that contains works of the law and grace.

But it is impossible to mix works in with grace without destroying both.

Gal 5:1-4
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
NKJV

 

[kerwin]

Thanks. where was the overthought?

Stranger

I have considered going farther that what is written as Paul is being figurative and so an exact match is not needed. Your explanation about the water is a enlightening and shows that whether the additional parallelism is necessary or not it exists.

 

[kerwin]

***
All through the Bible those that believed God were justified. Those that did not were not justified.

Eve believed Satan instead of God.
Cain believed that he could substitute the works of his hands for a blood sacrifice.God had told him it must be a blood sacrifice.
When the Jews came to the gate city to the promised land, God said He would drive out the people living there. Did the Jews believe God? No they did not and God made them spend 40 years in the wilderness.
When Jesus came did the Jews believe He was their Messiah and King? No they didn't and God destroyed the Temple and dispersed the Jews from Israel.

God has now offered a salvation that is totally dependent on the work of Jesus on the cross; dependent on Jesus' shed blood. It is a new plan that was "HIDDEN IN GOD". Do the religious believe it? -- No they do not. What they believe in is a blended gospel that contains works of the law and grace.

But it is impossible to mix works in with grace without destroying both.

Gal 5:1-4
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
NKJV

So, all through Scripture that were justified did the works of God and yet you do not believe that without works faith is dead.

If a human claims that they believe Jesus has raised from the dead and yet their works are those of the flesh I do not believe them for their works testify against what their mouth confesses though their trespass may be

Paul's preached against those that said they believed and yet there works were not of faith but of themselves, that is to say the flesh.

It is impossible for a human to do the works of the Spirit but all things are possible with God therefore one must believe they can do the works of the Spirit but it is not them but God working through them to do his works.

James and Paul both speak and the same gospel and that one is justified by faith and that faith gives birth to works because God does as he promises.

Note: Please forgive me as some of my wording is awkward because I lack the knowledge of words to easily express the idea better and the time to figure out how to reword it in order to do so.

 

[kerwin]

***
All through the Bible those that believed God were justified. Those that did not were not justified.

Eve believed Satan instead of God.
Cain believed that he could substitute the works of his hands for a blood sacrifice.God had told him it must be a blood sacrifice.
When the Jews came to the gate city to the promised land, God said He would drive out the people living there. Did the Jews believe God? No they did not and God made them spend 40 years in the wilderness.
When Jesus came did the Jews believe He was their Messiah and King? No they didn't and God destroyed the Temple and dispersed the Jews from Israel.

God has now offered a salvation that is totally dependent on the work of Jesus on the cross; dependent on Jesus' shed blood. It is a new plan that was "HIDDEN IN GOD". Do the religious believe it? -- No they do not. What they believe in is a blended gospel that contains works of the law and grace.

But it is impossible to mix works in with grace without destroying both.

Gal 5:1-4
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
NKJV

1 John 1:2-9 speaks of those that went out from "us" but were not of "us" and those are clearly Paul's adversaries.

James and also Peter are addressing those that misunderstand Paul's words.

There is but one gospel which Paul, James, and every other New Testament write knew and testified of.

 

[H. Richard]

1 John 1:2-9 speaks of those that went out from "us" but were not of "us" and those are clearly Paul's adversaries.

James and also Peter are addressing those that misunderstand Paul's words.

There is but one gospel which Paul, James, and every other New Testament write knew and testified of.

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Then explain these verses. They clearly show that one covenant was replaced by another covenant, Therefore, are we under the first covenant or the second? We can't be under both.

Heb 7:18-19
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
NKJV

Heb 7:22
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
NKJV

Heb 8:6-7
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
A New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
NKJV

Heb 9:14-15
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
NKJV

The old covenant was based on the Law of Moses. The second (new) covenant is based on the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. If you can not see this it is because you don't want to.

 

[kerwin]

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Then explain these verses. They clearly show that one covenant was replaced by another covenant, Therefore, are we under the first covenant or the second? We can't be under both.

Heb 7:18-19
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
NKJV

Heb 7:22
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
NKJV

Heb 8:6-7
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
A New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
NKJV

Heb 9:14-15
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
NKJV

The old covenant was based on the Law of Moses. The second (new) covenant is based on the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. If you can not see this it is because you don't want to.

The difference between the new covenant and the old is that we under the later receive the gift of the Holy Spirit; where it writes God's Law on our hearts and on our mind and places it within us, Those that are old did not have that nor do those that have the Spirit and nevertheless walk according to the flesh. More is expected of us because we have more.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 American Standard Version (ASV)

31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; [a]which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

Footnotes:

Jeremiah 31:32 Or, forasmuch as they brake my covenant
Jeremiah 31:32 Or, lord over them

Jesus is the way and the truth.

 

[H. Richard]

The difference between the new covenant and the old is that we under the later receive the gift of the Holy Spirit; where it writes God's Law on our hearts and on our mind and places it within us, Those that are old did not have that nor do those that have the Spirit and nevertheless walk according to the flesh. More is expected of us because we have more.




Jesus is the way and the truth.

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When I read the verses you posted I see that there is a new covenant to be made with Israel (NOT THE GENTILES). This new covenant will be made to Israel when Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom in Israel.

It is not the old covenant (Law), nor is it the new covenant, under grace for the whole world.

As it plainly says it is made with the house of Israel and Judah. For anyone to try and add the Gentiles to that covenant is adding words to God's words. The very scriptures you quoted point out your's is a false idea.

 

[kerwin]

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When I read the verses you posted I see that there is a new covenant to be made with Israel (NOT THE GENTILES). This new covenant will be made to Israel when Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom in Israel.

It is not the old covenant (Law), nor is it the new covenant, under grace for the whole world.

As it plainly says it is made with the house of Israel and Judah. For anyone to try and add the Gentiles to that covenant is adding words to God's words. The very scriptures you quoted point out your's is a false idea.

I hope you do realize you are stretching. Perhaps you would see your error of misunderstanding if I had though it beneficial to quote a few verses previous to those which I did and so this would have been avoided. I am sorry I misjudged the situation.

Jeremiah 31:27American Standard Version (ASV)

27 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

I did a search of the ASV of Scripture and its the only mention I found of the words "new covenant".

The clause I italicized speaks of Gentiles and possibly speaks of a time that " that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, they shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you." (Zechariah 8:23 ASV)

I did a search of the ASV and only found one instance of the words new covenant That would mean that Hebrews 18:13 is using that passage from Jeremiah 31 and so obvious according to your claim the Law is vanishing away for the Jews alone. Since the Gentiles were never under the Law that is a reasonable interpretation. It is also reasonable to state the same about Jeremiah's mention but the spirit of the passage still applies to the Gentiles despite the fact it is not a new covenant to the Gentiles that were never under the old.

Jesus said "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you" (Luke 22:20) and Paul quoted those words of his in 1 Corinthians 11:25. Do you also think Jesus shed his blood for only the Jews?

Note: Please see Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16 as well.

 

[H. Richard]

I hope you do realize you are stretching. Perhaps you would see your error of misunderstanding if I had though it beneficial to quote a few verses previous to those which I did and so this would have been avoided. I am sorry I misjudged the situation.

The clause I italicized speaks of Gentiles and possibly speaks of a time that " that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, they shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you." (Zechariah 8:23 ASV)

I did a search of the ASV and only found one instance of the words new covenant That would mean that Hebrews 18:13 is using that passage from Jeremiah 31 and so obvious according to your claim the Law is vanishing away for the Jews alone. Since the Gentiles were never under the Law that is a reasonable interpretation. It is also reasonable to state the same about Jeremiah's mention but the spirit of the passage still applies to the Gentiles despite the fact it is not a new covenant to the Gentiles that were never under the old.

Jesus said "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you" (Luke 22:20) and Paul quoted those words of his in 1 Corinthians 11:25. Do you also think Jesus shed his blood for only the Jews?

Note: Please see Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16 as well.

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You can't mix what was said to the Jews who were under the law with what was said to the Gentles under grace.

You said" I hope you do realize you are stretching. Perhaps you would see your error of misunderstanding "

I don't see that I am going to reply to you any longer since you feel that I am stretching and misunderstanding.

Matt 15:22-26
22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed."
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"
26 But He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the little dogs."
NKJV

Looks like you want to take the things that are for the Jews and give it to little dogs. (Jesus's words, not mine).

 

[kerwin]

***
You can't mix what was said to the Jews who were under the law with what was said to the Gentles under grace.

You said" I hope you do realize you are stretching. Perhaps you would see your error of misunderstanding "

I don't see that I am going to reply to you any longer since you feel that I am stretching and misunderstanding.

Matt 15:22-26
22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed."
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"
26 But He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the little dogs."
NKJV

Looks like you want to take the things that are for the Jews and give it to little dogs. (Jesus's words, not mine).

Here is your words.

***
Then explain these verses. They clearly show that one covenant was replaced by another covenant, Therefore, are we under the first covenant or the second? We can't be under both.

Heb 7:18-19
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
NKJV

Heb 7:22
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
NKJV

Heb 8:6-7
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
A New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
NKJV

Heb 9:14-15
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
NKJV

The old covenant was based on the Law of Moses. The second (new) covenant is based on the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. If you can not see this it is because you don't want to.

***
You can't mix what was said to the Jews who were under the law with what was said to the Gentles under grace.

You said" I hope you do realize you are stretching. Perhaps you would see your error of misunderstanding "

I don't see that I am going to reply to you any longer since you feel that I am stretching and misunderstanding.

Matt 15:22-26
22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed."
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"
26 But He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the little dogs."
NKJV

Looks like you want to take the things that are for the Jews and give it to little dogs. (Jesus's words, not mine).

Here is your words.

***
Then explain these verses. They clearly show that one covenant was replaced by another covenant, Therefore, are we under the first covenant or the second? We can't be under both.

Heb 7:18-19
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
NKJV

Heb 7:22
22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
NKJV

Heb 8:6-7
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
A New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
NKJV

Heb 9:14-15
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
NKJV

The old covenant was based on the Law of Moses. The second (new) covenant is based on the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. If you can not see this it is because you don't want to.

***
When I read the verses you posted I see that there is a new covenant to be made with Israel (NOT THE GENTILES). This new covenant will be made to Israel when Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom in Israel.

It is not the old covenant (Law), nor is it the new covenant, under grace for the whole world.

As it plainly says it is made with the house of Israel and Judah. For anyone to try and add the Gentiles to that covenant is adding words to God's words. The very scriptures you quoted point out your's is a false idea.

So in that short time you have switched from implying that body Jews and Gentiles are under the new covenant to only Jews are under the new covenant. I only posted from the same book you did to convince you that your original implication that Jews and Gentiles together are under the new covenant is correct. If you claim that Hebrews is only for the Jews then it follows that every verse you quoted for from Hebrews is for the Jews and not the Gentiles and your claim that the Jews have a different gospel than the Gentiles is found to be false as the old covenant has been "annulled" (?) for the Jews and not for the Gentiles; who were never under it.

In Galatians we see that one covenant does not make the previous one void.

Galatians 3:15-18American Standard Version (ASV)

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men: Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet when it hath been confirmed, no one maketh it void, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, [a]And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 Now this I say: A covenant confirmed beforehand by God, the law, which came four hundred and thirty years after, doth not disannul, so as to make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no more of promise: but God hath granted it to Abraham by promise.

Footnotes:

Galatians 3:16 Gen. 13:15; 17:8.

Note: There is an apparent conflict between the words of Hebrews 7:18-19 and and those of Galatians 3:15-18 that I do not know how to resolve.

 

[theefaith]

The promise (sacred oath or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:



A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

 

[theefaith]

Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

[theefaith]


Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (IBaptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Acts 16:15 entire household


1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if they reject faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Eph 1:13 4:30 sealed

God says baptism! Ez 36:25:27
Jesus Christ says baptism! Mk 16:16
Peter says baptism! Acts 3:38 1 Pet 3:21
Paul say baptism! 1 cor 1:16 1 cor 12:13
The apostles say baptism! Acts 2:38 acts 8:35


Ez 36:25-27 promise of justification by washing away sins by virtue the merits of Christ blood, sanctified by the grace of God, given a new heart of love by the Holy Spirit!


Acts 8
Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch!

Obviously Philip preached “FACAGA”
Faith alone Christ alone grace alone

How did the eunuch know about baptism?

Why did the eunuch so greatly desire baptism?
(If it’s only symbolic, an outward sign)

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

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Born again!

“Faith Alone”

Or

“Baptismal regeneration”


The initiation into the new covenant!
The only means of grace and salvation!

Metaphorical or implied meaning of baptism!

John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

The blood signifies the infinite merits of Christ!
The water signifies baptism!

Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Song of Solomon 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Isaiah 41:18
I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations;

Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

1 pet 3:20-21

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

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New Testament

Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)

Mk 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mark 16:16
he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

Jn 1: 11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Baptism)

John 1:26
John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6
And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

John3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
(Saved by baptism)

Acts 8:36
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Philip preached Jesus and the result is justification by baptism!

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Gal 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
1 Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

(Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)



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Becoming a Disciple by baptism!

Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
(Born again by baptism)

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

 

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Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark none were saved, outside the church none are saved)

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” Understand this in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacrament of baptism. We are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king.


2 cor 5:17
Ez 1:3 4:7


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Mark 16:16

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

There are two statements and cannot contradict each other!

Nor can one be used to deny the other!

No scripture twisting here!

Requirements?

Those who are being saved?

Absolute requirement of both faith and baptism!

And it is baptism that is the Christian initiation into the new covenant of grace, baptism is the outward sign of the new covenant!

Those not being saved?
Nothing is required, if you reject the first requirements of those being saved why bother to mention the second?

Faith and baptism are required for salvation! See acts 8


Baptism scripture verses


mk 16:16 faith and baptism
Jn 3:5 water AND the spirit
Jn 3:22 immediately go to river (water) and baptize
Matt 28:19 Jn 4:1 disciples made by baptism
Acts 2:38 baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith and baptism
Acts 22:16 wash away sin by baptism
1 cor 12:13 enter new covenant church by baptism
Gal 3:27 put in Christ by baptism
1 pet 3:21 saved by baptism

No where does the Bible
say “faith alone “!!!

It does say NOT faith alone Mk 16:16 1 cor 13:2 Phil 1:29