We’re the two witnesses from the past?

[Earburner]

Boy, there's another one that likes to take God's written Word and BUTCHER IT to try and make it fit their doctrines of men!!

God's "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 HAVE NOT COME YET, and they WILL BE 2 actual persons, for as written there they will prophesy against the beast for 1260 days at the end of this world, and will cause plagues upon the earth with God working through them, just as He did through Moses and Aaron.

Furthermore, Rev.11 tells us when the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit KILLS those two witnesses, and leaves their dead bodies laying the street of JERUSALEM, then ALL nations will SEE their dead bodies laying the street! How can that be? It reveals that ONLY in our times will that event happen, because it relies on SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY for all nations to SEE their dead bodies, via world communications. So yeah, even those in the middle east have cell phones and get on the Internet!

"Wa...w... well you mean, sniff, sniff... that points to the time of the two witnesses can happen only in the 20-21st century?" Yep! That's right!

The 4th beast began as the Roman Empire. When it received the deadly wound, it divided into the East and West empires, being the two legs of iron, according to Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel.

From that level of evolution, it dispersed into that which is still present today, being Europe and the Papacy of the RCC, aka the feet and toes of iron and clay..

Since then, it has only tried to come back to political life on the world stage. Along the way, through time, it showed up in such events as the Crusades, the Protestant Reformation, Napoleon, Hitler etc. (All being performed through the feet and toes of iron and clay).

The 10H beast's final appearance will be allowed to continue for 42 months. Rev. 13:5, but this time it will be a "Global Economic Empire", using Digital money, of which there has never been anything like it.

God will give to it the same length of time of physical presence on the earth, that the beast (Roman Empire) allowed for the joint ministry of the LORD'S two witnesses, John the Baptist (6 months.) and Jesus (3 years), totalling to 1260 days, aka 3.5 yrs. or 42 months
Zech. 4
[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by [for] the LORD of the whole earth.

Of all people in all the world, ONLY John the Baptist and Jesus HAD the Holy Spirit of God at birth!!

There are NO MORE two witnesses to come!!
And for all of that, one must accept what Jesus said that the disciples would see, during the transfiguration of Himself.
John 1
[51] And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

 

[Timtofly]

In my above post #552, you replied:
Timtofly wrote:
"I am not claiming to be Christ. Are you?"

Like most all professing Christians, they do not see/perceive the wisdom of God's meaning in the words of Mat. 24:5.
It's NOT about the few people, who are saying that they themselves are the actual and literal person of Jesus Christ, but rather the "MANY" who are coming to others "in [His] name", saying/agreeing that Jesus Himself is the Christ, "and shall deceive MANY".
Rom. 1
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [aka teaching others, but being unsaved themselves].
1 Cor. 2:5

And you are missing the point that most posters here are working over time to decieve people and may not even realize it.

No one can know who is lying. If you claim you can know, that is a deception as well. All we get online are words on a page.

Theology itself has placed deception into church tradition, and that process was going on at the same time the NT was written, and has been non stop for over 1900 years. Yes, Christians themselves holding to tradition portray deception unawares. It will be worse punishment on those who know they are lying who purposely decieve others.

 

[Earburner]

And you are missing the point that most posters here are working over time to decieve people and may not even realize it.

No one can know who is lying. If you claim you can know, that is a deception as well. All we get online are words on a page.

Theology itself has placed deception into church tradition, and that process was going on at the same time the NT was written, and has been non stop for over 1900 years. Yes, Christians themselves holding to tradition portray deception unawares. It will be worse punishment on those who know they are lying who purposely decieve others.

No, I didn't miss the point. You are agreeing with me, that "the wisdom of men" has taken over the churches, running full speed ahead with their numerous false doctrines and traditions, within the visible churches.

Most born again Christians today understand that the true church of Christ is invisible, and very soon they will be going underground, reverting back to assembling themselves in each other's homes.
Mat. 18[20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The visible churches will be thinking that all of such, who stop attending, will have "fallen away" from faith, when in reality the visible churches are full of the "unsaved" and the "half saved", and have no interest in being born again of God's Holy Spirit. In fact, many actually frown upon Rev. 3:20, telling their congregants of "church-ianity", to "stay away from such people who seek a personal relationship with Jesus."

 

[Earburner]

And you are missing the point that most posters here are working over time to decieve people and may not even realize it.

No one can know who is lying. If you claim you can know, that is a deception as well. All we get online are words on a page.

Theology itself has placed deception into church tradition, and that process was going on at the same time the NT was written, and has been non stop for over 1900 years. Yes, Christians themselves holding to tradition portray deception unawares. It will be worse punishment on those who know they are lying who purposely decieve others.

Mat. 7
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (See John 6:28-29)
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
All of such cannot help to be anything else, except a worker of iniquity. They spent their entire life copying Jesus, taking it upon themselves to be like Jesus, gaining nothing, except to live in their own "form of godliness", by the "natural man".

Sure, they came to Christ, and even had their sins forgiven, BUT,....
they never were born again of God's Holy Spirit, thus literally fulfilling Rom. 8:9.
[9] Whosoever hath not the Spirit [mind] of Christ, is none of his.

All here should do a deep dive study on Mat. 12:43-45, and understand how and why the "house", that an unclean spirit came out of, but then RETURNED to, found it EMPTY, swept and garnished.
Q. Why was the "forgiven sinner" finding himself in a state worst then before?
What was he lacking, but had neglected to do??
Ans. Luke 11:13, Rev. 3:20.

2 Peter 1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
John 3:3-8

 

[Davy]

The 4th beast began as the Roman Empire. When it received the deadly wound, it divided into the East and West empires, being the two legs of iron, according to Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel.

Doctrines of men based on a limited Biblical understanding, that above is.

The "deadly wound" happened much, much longer ago than the old Roman empire. Have you not wondered why there is no 'deadly wound' also attached to the fall of the old Babylon empire, or Medo-Persia empire, or the old Grecia empire? This is revealed in Revelation 17:8 and 11.

Only someone who fails to think back as far as Satan's original rebellion with a third of the angels would not understand when that "deadly wound" actually was.

The rest of your post is just more doctrines of men with limited Biblical understanding. The pope is NOT the prophesied Antichrist that shall come. That was an idea by those of the Protestant Reformation because of the persecution upon Protestants by the Catholic Church in 15th - 16th centuries Europe. Their theory about a pope did not pan out. So those today who still push that false idea do so for political reasons of deception.

 

[Book of Revelation]

 

[Earburner]

Doctrines of men based on a limited Biblical understanding, that above is.

The "deadly wound" happened much, much longer ago than the old Roman empire. Have you not wondered why there is no 'deadly wound' also attached to the fall of the old Babylon empire, or Medo-Persia empire, or the old Grecia empire? This is revealed in Revelation 17:8 and 11.

Only someone who fails to think back as far as Satan's original rebellion with a third of the angels would not understand when that "deadly wound" actually was.

The rest of your post is just more doctrines of men with limited Biblical understanding. The pope is NOT the prophesied Antichrist that shall come. That was an idea by those of the Protestant Reformation because of the persecution upon Protestants by the Catholic Church in 15th - 16th centuries Europe. Their theory about a pope did not pan out. So those today who still push that false idea do so for political reasons of deception.

I have no interest in a singular man, being how church-ianity calls it: "THE" Antichrist".

"That spirit of antichrist" is not singular but rather plural, ruling in and through many human bodies of the unsaved, that were meant to be the temples for God's indwelling.
You should study the scriptures that describe the "strong man", and how Jesus personally vanquishes satan's place of residence as a "squatter", whereby when one repents towards God and becomes born again, God's Holy Spirit becomes the permanent resident of their human body, in which Satan can never return.
Their temple bodies, as well as being God's Temple of His dwelling place, is "restored".

 

[ewq1938]

I have no interest in a singular man, being how church-ianity calls it: "THE" Antichrist".

Your version of church-ianity rejects the biblical reference to a future singular antichrist. Maybe it's time to move on from that unscriptural belief?

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

He says "now" there were many antichrists but does specifically speak of one certain antichrist (singular) that was yet to come which means John believed there was a future Antichrist. This is known as "the Antichrist" which is a specific Antichrist (also the last one) among all those who are antichrists.