We are judged by works, not by faith

[Ghada]

God judges sin and sinners

True. According to the works.

God the Father, corrects the born again.

True. In order to remain born of Him and sin not.

The correction that comes from Father God, is to correct who you are, not what you do.

This is a new one, thanks.

The gospel of Repent ye of who you are! Repent of being you!

It's the doctrine of mind repentance. I repent and think better of myself.

You've managed to perfect a gospel of what a person believes is all that matters, not what we do.

Christian new age religion. As long as we believe we're divine, so are we.

See, the reason you do what you do, is because of who you are, inside.

True. Sinning sinners still sin, because of the filthy lust within. I made a true rhyme!

So, to correct only the deeds, does not correct the inside of you.

True. We are commanded to repent of lusting first, that we sin not outwardly.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Your gospel of just telling ourselves we're clean is for shameless whores and whoremongers.

Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

God works on the inside to correct who we are, so that by this correction our deeds become corrected also.

God doesn't correct lusting. He rebukes it from afar and commands to repent of it.

And that's mercy for man, because He doesn't command angels to repent of lusting, but just casts them straight into hell.

Sinners need to repent of their lusting. Saints need to keep themselves from lusting.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

Your gospel of needing to change your attitude about yourself, is a case study in the power of positive thinking religion.

It can indeed make a successful life for sinners, until the grave.

 

[Ghada]

Explain why a parent corrects their child? It is because the child did something wrong and needs correction. If it is serious, even chastisement. That is precisely what is in the bible.

Sure it is. There's plenty in the Bible about how parents deal with their children.

And then there's how God deals with the children of disobedience vs His obedient sons.

He commands sinners to repent of sinning to become His sons. And He corrects His sons in order to sin not.

Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

The context of Heb 12 is about striving against sinning, not about sinning.

As usual, we see how some sinners try to change the Bible to fit their own ways.

That is why they're not correctible by God and His word, but only commanded to repent and believe His words to do them.

God corrects His sons from within not to lust, so that we sin not with the flesh. God corrects His sons within before we sin.

Parents of the world can only approximate the same by continual training in the love and fear of the Lord, but never from within as God can.

You have no concept of this, because you have yet to repent of lusting, in order to sin not. That is why you're still a sinner commanded by God to repent. Just like all sinners of the world.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

The only thing awaiting unrepented lusting sinners is the judgement day of their works. And those works begin with lusting and committing sin within the heart.

You don't believe this, because you have yet to repent of it. And you don't repent of it, because you don't want to believe it's possible.

That's the power of sin and death.

I don't tell you these things to try and correct you, because you have demonstrated a hard heart against it. I only correct your public doctrine, because I enjoy it. And perhaps others may hear the truth and do it.

 

[Ghada]

Except God compares it precisely to that.

As a shadow of the heavenly only. Even as the worldly sanctuary.

Your carnal mind believes God endorses man's ways as His own ways. It's a kind of self-idolatry. You teach man's ways are God's ways, just because God talks about man's ways.

Jesus uses parables and examples of natural things, only in order to point to His spiritual things, not to endorse them as His own ways.

Man can only correct each other outwardly after the fact. God corrects His sons inwardly first, that we only do good and sin not.

Once again, your unrepentant heart does not believe these things in the heavenly family of God on earth.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Heb 12:5 And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not take lightly the discipline of the Lord, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you. 6For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and He chastises every son He receives.” 7 Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?

God only disciplines inwardly before anything is done outwardly.

The context of Heb 12 is resisting the devil and striving against his lust to sin not.

God does not do anything inwardly with the lusting sinner, because He is not dwelling within the darkened hearts of man.

God's Spirit as in the beginning, is only moving upon the face of the deep commanding there to be light.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

God only chooses to dwell within the repented pure of heart given us by God, to shine His light in all things inwardly first, that His light may shine outwardly in all true holiness without blame.

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

This pure hearted life in Christ Jesus, you believe not and minister against as being impossible, because you repent not of your own lusting heart, and justify yourself in 'progressive' Christian religion for continued sinners.

If you were perfect you have no need of correction.

If you were to repent, you have have need of the Spirit's correction to sin not.

Until then, you only have need to obey the commandment of God to repent, as with all sinners everywhere.

The Prodigal son never sinned?

Your darkened heart cannot correctly read what others write, because you have practised it so long with the Bible itself.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Funny he said he did!
Luke 15:18
I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee..

Jesus told his believing followers that they need to ask forgiveness for their trespasses.

If we trespass. Your gospel of when you will trespass is your own.

So that makes all sons sinners,

You make all sons sinners in your uncleansed religion. They are sons of you gospel, not of God's.

He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil is sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever abiding in him is not sinning: whosoever sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God is not committing sin; for his seed is remaining in him: and he cannot be sinning, because he is born of God.

 

[Ghada]

We are talking about sons trespassing.

You are talking about your trespassing sons. I am talking about sons of God not trespassing.

Not enemies of God.

And so, we have your doctrine of some trespassers being enemies of God, and others like yourself not.

Your gospel of a god with respect of persons, that abolishes the fear of the Lord, is not the Bible nor mine.

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Jesus did not say that brethren you need to forgive were part of a ministry of sin.

True. That's your ministry of trespassing sons.

That chapter is primarily about loving one another.

Which is not by lusting against God from the heart, and trespassing in fellowship with one another.

Your neighborly and brotherly love of the world is honor among thieves. No doubt better than the mafia, but not the kingdom and body of Jesus Christ on earth.

Those that call one another enemies of God for needing forgiveness or correction from God as sons disobey that chapter.

Tell it to James.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Those preaching trespassers as friends of God and not enemies, are preaching the gospel of another god of this world.

He doesn't mind you being friendly and fellowshipping with one another, so long as trespasses continue. And not even against one another, but also along with one another.

Doing righteousness means forgiving other brothers and sisters not casting stones.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Doing righteousness means doing righteousness.

Your gospel of worldly love is not the love of the holy and true God Jesus Christ.

For instance, your ministry of trespassing friends and sons of God, is not loving me at all. In fact, it is a disgusting trespass against my soul and insult to my intelligence.

I only endure it, because I enjoy correcting it more than the disgust of actually reading it.

Doing righteousness has zero to do with some imagined works of perfection or law keeping we do!

Whosoever is committing sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs.

As I said, a disgusting display of mockery in all things good and pure and righteous with Jesus Christ.

At every turn you manage to preach the opposite of the Bible covenant and gospel of God.

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Zero. It has to do with love and Him in us.

Your trespassing love and him lusting in you has zero to do with the the Bible gospel, other than Repent ye.

 

[Behold]

True. In order to remain born of Him and sin not.

We were not born again to begin with because we stopped sinning.
This means that after we are born again, our behavior still does not affect the new birth.

The gospel of Repent ye of who you are! Repent of being you!

Why would a Christian repent of being a Son/Daughter of God?

A.) They wouldn't.

You've managed to perfect a gospel of what a person believes is all that matters, not what we do.

Not at all.
What im showing you is that Discipleship is what you do., .. its a self effort.

Christianity, on the other hand... is what we've become, "in Christ".. based on receiving the "Gift of Salvation".

You can't do that for yourself., tho many do try.

They are often... "water baptized, religious, but lost".

True. Sinning sinners still sin, because of the filthy lust within. I made a true rhyme!

Christians are not sinners.
They are "Son's and Daughter's of God". "In Christ".. ."one with God".. .having become "THE righteousness of God, in Christ".

Unbelievers are sinners.
CHRISTians, are Saints.

Your gospel of just telling ourselves we're clean is for shameless whores and whoremongers.

Its the blood sacrifice and death and resurrection of Jesus that has dealt with all the sin, of the born again.

"Jesus is the ONE TIME>...ETERNAL.... Sacrifice for Sins".

If you've not born again, then this has no happened yet, and your still a "sinner".

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,

Yes, that is Religion.
You can do all that, and go to hell like a bullet when you die, and in fact, it happens all the time.

 

[Davy]

The Bible teaches us that our works judge us, not our faith. We aren't judged by what we believe, but by what we do.

That is a very deceptive statement, and is not Biblical.

We most definitely will be judged according to our 'faith'. That means if a soul rejects Faith on God's Promised Savior Jesus Christ, Who is the ONLY Mediator to The Father for man, then that soul will be judged to perish in the future "lake of fire". Salvation is ONLY for those who believe on The Savior Jesus Christ.

For those of Faith on Jesus Christ then, our good works make up our righteous clothing in Heaven. Didn't do anything for Jesus except believe on Him? Then your righteous clothing in Heaven will be thin.

Our works DO NOT save us. We are saved ONLY by God's Grace, not of ourselves, otherwise we could boast.

And this is one of the major problems with other religions. They think to boast of their works, thinking it is what saves.

 

[Ghada]

That is a very deceptive statement, and is not Biblical.

Then prove it by the Bible showing we are not judged by our works.

We most definitely will be judged according to our 'faith'.

Prove it by the Bible. Show anywhere the Bible speaks of us being judged by our faith alone, or even by our faith and works.

The only time any judgment is given about our faith alone, is that it is dead when not doing it.

That means if a soul rejects Faith on God's Promised Savior Jesus Christ,

All souls reject believing Jesus, but not repenting of sinning in order to have faith toward God.

Salvation is ONLY for those who believe on The Savior Jesus Christ.

Your own salvation, not God's. His salvation is only for those that repent of dead works to believe on Jesus Christ.

Having faith toward God is never alone, because the works worthy of repentance must come first. We first do good by not sinning and ceasing to sin against God.

For those of Faith on Jesus Christ then, our good works make up our righteous clothing in Heaven.

No, they make up our righteous clothing of life on earth.

And without repenting first of sinning, it's just new religious clothing with old filth. It's not putting on Christ nor His righteousness.

Didn't do anything for Jesus except believe on Him? Then your righteous clothing in Heaven will be thin.

Your words have as much validity here, as having dead faith alone.

And it sounds like the same kind of silly tripe, that says the outer darkness is just the 'fringes' of the light in heaven.

You can preach whatever you want, but insulting a child's intelligence makes even a child look at you queer.

Our works DO NOT save us. We are saved ONLY by God's Grace, not of ourselves, otherwise we could boast.

And this is one of the major problems with other religions. They think to boast of their works, thinking it is what saves.

This has nothing to do with the argument. It's just more of your usual misstating of arguments you don't like.

 

[Davy]

Then prove it by the Bible showing we are not judged by our works.


Prove it by the Bible. Show anywhere the Bible speaks of us being judged by our faith alone, or even by our faith and works.

The only time any judgment is given about our faith alone, is that it is dead when not doing it.




All souls reject believing Jesus, but not repenting of sinning in order to have faith toward God.



Your own salvation, not God's. His salvation is only for those that repent of dead works to believe on Jesus Christ.

Having faith toward God is never alone, because the works worthy of repentance must come first. We first do good by not sinning and ceasing to sin against God.


No, they make up our righteous clothing of life on earth.

And without repenting first of sinning, it's just new religious clothing with old filth. It's not putting on Christ nor His righteousness.


Your words have as much validity here, as having dead faith alone.

And it sounds like the same kind of silly tripe, that says the outer darkness is just the 'fringes' of the light in heaven.

You can preach whatever you want, but insulting a child's intelligence makes even a child look at you queer.


This has nothing to do with the argument. It's just more of your usual misstating of arguments you don't like.

So you are not familiar with The New Testament it seems obvious.

IF... you truly are a Christian, like you have in your avatar, then you certainly should be familiar with the Book of Romans where Apostle Paul explains this...

Rom 3:21-31
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is He the God of the Jews only? is He not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, Which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
KJV

And I assume you do understand that being "justified by faith" means judged according to our Faith to receive Christ's Salvation.

 

[Ghada]

And I assume you do understand that being "justified by faith" means judged according to our Faith to receive Christ's Salvation.

Well done. You have specifically addressed the challenge and made a good point.

The good point is that God's justification and judgment cannot be separated. God justifies us by judging us to be righteous as He.

However, all you've done is, once again, argue judgement by faith alone apart from works. You just try to do so now based upon your doctrine of being justified apart from works.

And so, you still need to show anywhere in the Bible, that any man is not judged by his work, and is judged apart from his deeds.

In the Bible, there is only one person on earth that is not, and cannot be judged by their works, because they have no works to judge: Babes

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

But then neither do they have any faith.

 

[Davy]

Well done. You have specifically addressed the challenge and made a good point.

The good point is that God's justification and judgment cannot be separated. God justifies us by judging us to be righteous as He.

Your trying to use God's idea of 'judgment' to mean we receive His Salvation based on 'works' is a FALSE doctrine of devils.

In a courtroom, in a case where one is awarded a settlement, that is a 'judgment'. Did our works earn it? No, it an AWARD based on EVIDENCE. That's what God's Salvation is, a FREE GIFT we do not earn, and it is based on our FAITH on Him through His Son Jesus Christ, not by our works.

Thus also, the idea of the word 'judgment' does not always means a NEGATIVE JUDGMENT.

In the case of God's Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, judgment to ETERNAL LIFE is GIVEN FREELY... to those who BELIEVE, based on their FAITH on Him and His Son's Blood shed upon the cross. That... is the pivot point with God's Promised Salvation. ALL... MUST... BELIEVE on His Son Jesus Christ to be given the FREE GIFT of Eternal Life, NO exceptions.

But for those who REJECT BELIEF on His Son Jesus Christ, His Judgment is that those perish in the future "lake of fire" event.

But truly, WHO is actually making that judgment to being cast into the "lake of fire"? It is the INDIVIDUAL.

We EACH CHOOSE whether we want to have Eternal Life with The Father and His Son Jesus Christ, or to perish in the "lake of fire". Is that a JUDGMENT? You bet it is! One that we each MUST make for our self.

 

[Ghada]

Your trying to use God's idea of 'judgment' to mean we receive His Salvation based on 'works' is a FALSE doctrine of devils.

This is just the usual angry lying response to God in James 2, for declaring He never justifies any man by faith alone apart from works.

In a courtroom, in a case where one is awarded a settlement, that is a 'judgment'. Did our works earn it? No, it an AWARD based on EVIDENCE. That's what God's Salvation is, a FREE GIFT we do not earn, and it is based on our FAITH on Him through His Son Jesus Christ, not by our works.

Thus also, the idea of the word 'judgment' does not always means a NEGATIVE JUDGMENT.

In the case of God's Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, judgment to ETERNAL LIFE is GIVEN FREELY... to those who BELIEVE, based on their FAITH on Him and His Son's Blood shed upon the cross. That... is the pivot point with God's Promised Salvation. ALL... MUST... BELIEVE on His Son Jesus Christ to be given the FREE GIFT of Eternal Life, NO exceptions.

But for those who REJECT BELIEF on His Son Jesus Christ, His Judgment is that those perish in the future "lake of fire" event.

But truly, WHO is actually making that judgment to being cast into the "lake of fire"? It is the INDIVIDUAL.

We EACH CHOOSE whether we want to have Eternal Life with The Father and His Son Jesus Christ, or to perish in the "lake of fire". Is that a JUDGMENT? You bet it is! One that we each MUST make for our self.

This is just more intellectualized smokescreen of nonsense, to try and counter plain words of the Bible. God judges us all by our works.

As I said, You made a good point that justification and judgment of God are inseparable. You intended it to justify your doctrine of having faith without works, and instead confirm Christ's doctrine of justification must be by works, since God's judgment is always by works.

Until we brought judgment by works into the argument, then the argument has only been about justification. And so until now, some Christians have had an appearance of wiggle room in the Bible to be justified by their faith alone apart works. That argument however is impossible to make with the judgment of God.

There are several verses in the Bible where no works are mentioned, when speaking of justification by faith. However that is never the case with the judgment of God, that is always declared to be with works. There isn't any appearance nor wiggle room at all in the Bible, to ever suggest being judged by faith apart from works.

And since you rightly point out justification is by judgment, then justification must also always be by works. Any appearance to the contrary is done away with. (Thanks. I've incorporated your proof into teaching justification and judgment by works, and not by faith alone)

Now you will need to try and reverse yourself, and separate justification apart from judgment, even as you already try to do with faith apart from works.

By throwing out works, you must now also throw out judgment, in order to justify yourself while lusting and sinning against the Son and the Father.

You made this necessary for yourself, when you rightly pinned judgment with justification, rather than produce any Bible speaking of judgment without works. (Which of course is not possible, because judgment of God in the Bible is always by and according to our works.)

 

[Davy]

This is just the usual angry lying response to God in James 2, for declaring He never justifies any man by faith alone apart from works.

I only told you the truth per God's written Word, but you reject His Word.

What Apostle James showed was that as a 'show' of one's Faith, they should have works to go along with it. He NEVER made ANY statement that it is works that save us.

So there again, you try to TWIST the Word of God showing your Judaizer traditions of trying to push law keeping and works to be saved, which is NOT a New Testament teaching.

 

[Ghada]

I only told you the truth per God's written Word, but you reject His Word.

What Apostle James showed was that as a 'show' of one's Faith, they should have works to go along with it. He NEVER made ANY statement that it is works that save us.

Not your James. But James of the Bible says no man's faith alone apart from works can save a him..

So there again, you try to TWIST the Word of God showing your Judaizer traditions of trying to push law keeping and works to be saved, which is NOT a New Testament teaching.

Blah Blah Blah, boo hoo. Bad law of Christ! Bad!

However, I do appreciate your correct tying of judgment with justification. From now on I will reinforce God's justification by works in James 2, with His judgement by works preached throughout the Bible.

The justification of God is by judging man to be righteous as He. His judgement is always by works, and so also His justification must be with works, just as He says in James 2.

And so, the appearance of any justification by faith without and apart from works, is ended by the fact that His judgment, by which He justifies a man, is always according to our works.

And no unrepentant no man is ever justified while doing works of unrighteousness, because God's judgment is always against them doing such things.

For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Your gospel of being judged as righteous and justified with God while doing such things, is of course the self-deceiving lies of unrepentant unrighteous sinners.

Now, back to the thread: All men are judged by their works. God never judges any man apart from His works...

 

[knothead]

Well all 38 English and the Greek translations I have read, not once has said that only sins of the past are forgiven. You are directly saying that Jesus death does not cover sins once someone becomes a believer. I await your verse that shows only past sins are forgiven.

Well show the verse then!

and then show how it overrides the INspired words of Jesus and Paul here:

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Ephesians 2:8-9​

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King James Version​

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Your theory of salvation by works directly contradicts the Scriptures.

Heb 10:26
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
is not this future sin?

 

[Nancy]

The Bible teaches us that our works judge us, not our faith. We aren't judged by what we believe, but by what we do.

Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

In the Bible good works have always been necessary to be judged righteous with God. That includes all NT believers, because God is not a respecter of persons when righteously judging any man's work.

The Bible never says we are judged by our faith alone, and not by our works. We are justified by works, because our deeds judge our faith, whether it is of God or not.

Good works is not just a show of faith, but are the necessary means of being just and righteous with God. Christ comes to make our works truly good, because they are not from a pure heart of faith. He does not come to bypass works and judge us by our faith alone.

And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

We see here how we are not only justified by our works, but we are also resurrected unto life by our works being judged as good with God.

Faith without works is so useless, because without the good works we do by faith, we do not receive the reward of inheriting the kingdom of God forever.

Faith is not the end goal. Good works are the goal of faith, because the reward of inheritance is by good works, not by faith alone.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

The Bible says being charitable in life is greater than faith. Faith and hope are important, and faith is the gift of God, so that we can please Him by doing good. Doing good and not evil is how we are judged by God to be worthy to walk with Him in white forever.

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Since we cannot please God without FAITH, we need it for all we do. Christians will not be judged for "salvation" but for rewards...did good works through faith? Then you will be rewarded. Did bad or no works, many or few stripes. This is what I have learned over the years, not stating it is all true.

Also, there is one verse that has concerned me all along my walk and it is: "

2 Peter 1:9 ​

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins." this could mean that we are only forgiven for past sins, don't know, but it is concerning and worth a look into. JMHO

 

[Behold]

Since we cannot please God without FAITH, we need it for all we do. Christians will not be judged for "salvation" but for rewards...did good works through faith? Then you will be rewarded. Did bad or no works, many or few stripes. This is what I have learned over the years, not stating it is all true.

Also, there is one verse that has concerned me all along my walk and it is: "

2 Peter 1:9​

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins." this could mean that we are only forgiven for past sins, don't know, but it is concerning and worth a look into. JMHO

Your verse's context..... is verse 7.

And that is explained by = "I'll show you my faith by my works'.. ( i dont have dead faith, James is teaching).
So, your verse is not teaching salvation issues, its describing the flowing in the power of God, that is a vital living faith,...is not happening.
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And that is the born again person who is "worldly", They are not focused on the things of God, ...= this is to be carnally minded, and its the opposite of this..

= "in the world but not OF it".

See that? So, a Christian can be OF the world.... carnal, worldly, and that is what Peter is describing as "you have forgotten what God did for you"...

See, when we keep our eyes on Jesus, we never forget what He's done for us...
But when we keep our eyes on Netflix and Amazon.com.. .and Soap Operas, and Taylor Swift.. and Billie Eilish, and HSN and CNN..... then our heart is THERE, because that is where our "Treasure is found, is where your heart is found"... So... we have forgotten what Jesus has done for us, as our mind is consumed by the world's shiny lusts....
So our Salvation is unchanged... but our Heart is far from the Lord.

Jesus describes this cold faith, (dead faith), as being "Lukewarm">

That is what Peter is explaining... to them/us.

 

[Rockerduck]

We are saved by Faith, plus nothing. Do all the works you want; it will not get you anywhere. Trust and obey is what we do now, and the Holy Spirit guides us.

1 Corinthians 2:15 - But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

This what James's works were about; Abraham trusted God and obeyed and did what God said to do.

James 2:20-24 -20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

 

[Nancy]

Your verse's context..... is verse 7.

And that is explained by = "I'll show you my faith by my works'.. ( i dont have dead faith, James is teaching).
So, your verse is not teaching salvation issues, its describing the flowing in the power of God, that is a vital living faith,...is not happening.
'
And that is the born again person who is "worldly", They are not focused on the things of God, ...= this is to be carnally minded, and its the opposite of this..

= "in the world but not OF it".

See that? So, a Christian can be OF the world.... carnal, worldly, and that is what Peter is describing as "you have forgotten what God did for you"...

See, when we keep our eyes on Jesus, we never forget what He's done for us...
But when we keep our eyes on Netflix and Amazon.com.. .and Soap Operas, and Taylor Swift.. and Billie Eilish, and HSN and CNN..... then our heart is THERE, because that is where our "Treasure is found, is where your heart is found"... So... we have forgotten what Jesus has done for us, as our mind is consumed by the world's shiny lusts....
So our Salvation is unchanged... but our Heart is far from the Lord.

Jesus describes this cold faith, (dead faith), as being "Lukewarm">

That is what Peter is explaining... to them/us.

Thank you for the explanation. There is nothing in this world that I desire. I might play some golf, bowling or darts on my phone as my time is mostly being at home. I try to find good Christian movies and I have started one yesterday (free on Tubi) titled "Acts" and so far the words they speak are the very scriptures we have in our bibles.

It's been decades since having anything to do with my old life; bars, drugs, fornication and thinking back then that I was okay with God HA!!! He has removed these desires and all I desire from Him is His Spirit everyday, seeking Him in all ways. The Lord is at the forefront of my mind all the time. Now, to find an actual bible preaching church-been trying for the last three years.
Love in Christ!

 

[Behold]

Thank you for the explanation. There is nothing in this world that I desire. I might play some golf, bowling or darts on my phone as my time is mostly being at home. I try to find good Christian movies and I have started one yesterday (free on Tubi) titled "Acts" and so far the words they speak are the very scriptures we have in our bibles.

It's been decades since having anything to do with my old life; bars, drugs, fornication and thinking back then that I was okay with God HA!!! He has removed these desires and all I desire from Him is His Spirit everyday, seeking Him in all ways. The Lord is at the forefront of my mind all the time. Now, to find an actual bible preaching church-been trying for the last three years.
Love in Christ!

Thank you.

I understand.

-Blessings

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Heb 10:26
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
is not this future sin?

Well if you sinned once after receiving Jesus according to your implication- you cannot longer be saved! But no this is not about a believer sinning, nor even gentiles sinning, nor losing ones salvation.

But according to yo9u when does the future start for a believer for this to possibly true?After they are saved? After they read this passage? when would the clock start ticking on when they would commit a sin that Jesus did not die for? Were not all your sins future sins when Jesus died?