We are judged by works, not by faith

[Ronald Nolette]

So, in your gospel repenting is not repenting of sinning. It must be the repenting of unbelief alone by faith alone.

In the gospel handed down by the Apostles, the repentance is to change ones mind.

Repentance is the word metanoia (meta=change, noia, thought). It means we change our mind about god and all that comes to entail. We change our mind about who Jesus is, what it takes to be saved and receive Jesus as our Savior (leaving behind works or a false god or good intentions as our saving)

And here we go. Your gospel commands you to have sin.

Lying again about me! No the gospel of God does not command sin, it just recognizes people do. God is rich in mercy, But you do not serve the God of the bible, for you have him having no mercy after one is saved.

Your issue is that you cannot see john in his epistles is writing to believers, not unsaved. Also there is no 1 John 1:12

I'm thinking somehow you preach both at the same time.

Y0ou think that because you make false assumptions. Instead of asking people you just go off based on your own prejudices.

Yep. You have no sin to be condemned, while sinning. And yet you must always have sin by commandment.

And so, you must have sin to keep your Christ's commandment, but not have sin for him to condemn?

You have made yourself a liar and bearer of false witness again1

You're commanded to have sin, and yet you have no sin to condemn, and yet you must say you have sin.

Liar!

Your Christ is blind to sinning.

Yo0u speak ignorance.

Your Christ separates himself from the Father, in order to have fellowship with you in darkness, while having sin, that is not having sin to be condemned.

Liar!

C'mon, do you really believe this stuff. I mean, as the movie said, does this track at all? Have you really so convinced yourself that whatever you think and say must be true, so that you actually think this stuff makes any sense at all?

I don't be;ieve yopur false witness and lying conclusions at all! It is you who have convinced yourself that I buy these lies you have spun!

 

[Ghada]

Washes away sin. Your idea that we don't need correction after coming to Jesus is simply wrong.

Your gospel of God correcting sons while they are sinning, is not the Bible.

God does not correct any man sinning as a son, but only commands the sinner to repent to become His son.

God's correction for His repented sons and saints, is only if and while they are being tempted again to sin.

No. Being a son, though not yet perfect is better than being the devil's children.

There is no sonship of God while sinning with the devil. Only the devil's children are sinning against God.

Nor is believing with works as well anything that makes us unable to trespass.

The Bible does not say God's sons are unable to sin in the future. Only that His sons are not able to be sinning, while being His sons.

If we are sinning, we are not His sons. We must come to the Advocate that the whole world must come to.

Your doctrine of being God's sons while sinning with the devil, is not the Bible.

They being the unsaved religious hypocrites He was talking about.

Ture. They being the sinners that are sinning, while naming His name.

If He gives, as you say here, repentance from sinning,

As the Bible says here. You don't believe the Bible to repent of all your sinning.

then why does He say you need forgiveness for sinning?

If any man is sinning, that man needs to repent and be forgiven and made His son.

 

[Ghada]

Yes there are and they trespass and are corrected by God.

God does not correct any man while sinning, but only commands the sinner to repent. His sons are not sinning, though they can be tempted to sin.

God's correction of His repented sons, is only if and while they are being tempted to sin again.

Your doctrine of God's correction being upon those sinning with the world, as though they were sons, is not the Bible.

Are you suggesting that He does not chasten you???

Every time I am tempted again to sin, yes. But His grace is also given to me to endure and overcome it, if I come boldly to His throne to receive it.

God is not correcting sinners that are sinning by temptation, but only commanding them to repent to become His sons.

Hebrews 12:5
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

True. If and while being tempted to sin.

God is not chastening any man fallen to temptation and now sinning by lust of the world. He only judges them of the devil and commands them to repent, to become His sons in Christ Jesus instead.

Your doctrine of children of the devil sinning against God, as also being sons of God at the same time, is not the Bible.

 

[dad]

Your gospel of God correcting sons while they are sinning, is not the Bible.

Explain why a parent corrects their child? It is because the child did something wrong and needs correction. If it is serious, even chastisement. That is precisely what is in the bible.

God does not correct any man sinning as a son, but only commands the sinner to repent to become His son.

You thought He corrected EVERY one that came to Him for kicks??

God's correction for His repented sons and saints, is only if and while they are being tempted again to sin.

In other words the saved. The saved already repented. Yet when they do so and come to Him, He still needs to chastise them and guide them etc.

The Bible does not say God's sons are unable to sin in the future. Only that His sons are not able to be sinning, while being His sons.

Yes we come to Him and then get corrected as needed.

If we are sinning, we are not His sons. We must come to the Advocate that the whole world must come to.

Yes and every one that does come to Him is corrected.

If any man is sinning, that man needs to repent and be forgiven and made His son.

He is talking about those who already are sons. Those that came to Him are sons. Your denial of any need for His correction or chastisement tells us that you do not believe what he says.

 

[dad]

God does not correct any man while sinning,

2 Samuel 24 shows David sinned and God gave him his choice of corrections/chastisements.

Every time I am tempted again to sin, yes. But His grace is also given to me to endure and overcome it, if I come boldly to His throne to receive it.

How come every other single person alive now or in history was chastised as a son when they came to Him? You thought you were some sinless exception?

God is not correcting sinners that are sinning by temptation, but only commanding them to repent to become His sons.

Temptation is not the sin, even Jesus was tempted and He was without sin.

 

[Ghada]

In the gospel handed down by the Apostles, the repentance is to change ones mind.

Changing your mind about sinning, only makes your unrepented sinning more condemned by God.

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

No the gospel of God does not command sin, it just recognizes people do. God is rich in mercy,

Of course not. It's your gospel that commands all men everywhere to have sin, so they can rightly say they have sin.

If you disagree with this doctrine from 1 John 1:8, then say so, and I will strike you from the list of commanding all Christians to have sin.

But you do not serve the God of the bible, for you have him having no mercy after one is saved.

Not on your doctrine, certainly.

Your issue is that you cannot see john in his epistles is writing to believers, not unsaved.

He's writing to sinful believers that need to repent, just like any sinner of the world.

You have made yourself a liar and bearer of false witness again1

Since we met on a thread where you say I am an unsaved heretic already, what else do you expect?

Just making accusations doesn't deny the point. Do you believe your own personal sinning is condemned by God or not?

If it is, then I'll also strike you from the list of Christians sinners teaching their sinning is no more condmened by God.

Liar!

Pants on Fire!

I don't be;ieve yopur false witness and lying conclusions at all! It is you who have convinced yourself that I buy these lies you have spun!

Like I said. I'm already an unsaved heretic to you, that denies the cross of Jesus. Do you expect anything different?

I certainly do expect you to say such things about me according to your gospel. No surprise there. I'm thinking you're someone that loves lighting a fire into the kitchen, and then runs out when it gets to hot for you.

 

[Ghada]

Explain why a parent corrects their child? It is because the child did something wrong and needs correction. If it is serious, even chastisement. That is precisely what is in the bible.

Family sinners of the world, yes, not the family of God in His kingdom.

God corrects and chastises His sons to learn to endure temptations. Sinners departed from the Father to sinfulness, are commanded with with world to repent.

He is talking about those who already are sons.

No sinning sons in God's family, house, nor kingdom.

Only the gospel kingdom of the world has sinning sons.

Your denial of any need for His correction or chastisement tells us that you do not believe what he says.

Your state of denial about what I teach of God's correction, shows you don't care with others say.

 

[Behold]

God's correction of His repented sons, is only if and while they are being tempted to sin again.

God judges sin and sinners

God the Father, corrects the born again.

The correction that comes from Father God, is to correct who you are, not what you do.
See, the reason you do what you do, is because of who you are, inside.

So, to correct only the deeds, does not correct the inside of you.
God works on the inside to correct who we are, so that by this correction our deeds become corrected also.

 

[Ghada]

2 Samuel 24 shows David sinned and God gave him his choice of corrections/chastisements.

After David repented.

You confuse result sin life from sinning, with corrections of God for His sons today.

The only correction God ever gave for sinning, was separation and death from our soul.

Your effort to keep sinners such as yourself alive in Christ and walking in His light, while sinning, is your own gospel for sinners, not Jesus' good news of walking in His light while sinning not.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This is still true today for every man sinning, without respect of persons.

You say it is true for others, but not yourself.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Temptation is not the sin, even Jesus was tempted and He was without sin.

Correct. Sinning by temptation is the sin. And the brethren of Jesus are tempted as He was without sinning.

 

[dad]

Family sinners of the world, yes, not the family of God in His kingdom.

Except God compares it precisely to that.
Heb 12:5 And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not take lightly the discipline of the Lord, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you. 6For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and He chastises every son He receives.” 7 Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?

God corrects and chastises His sons to learn to endure temptations. Sinners departed from the Father to sinfulness, are commanded with with world to repent.

If you were perfect you have no need of correction. He corrects/judges/chastens us because we need it, not for fun or for no reason. It is profitable for us.

No sinning sons in God's family, house, nor kingdom.

The Prodigal son never sinned? Funny he said he did!
Luke 15:18
I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee..

Jesus told his believing followers that they need to ask forgiveness for their trespasses. So that makes all sons sinners, not the other way around. Forgiven sinners that need renewing and cleansing and purging etc.

 

[dad]

After David repented.

Which time!? The time he lusted or the time he called for a census?

You confuse result sin life from sinning, with corrections of God for His sons today.

You confuse English itself.

The only correction God ever gave for sinning, was separation and death from our soul.

No. Ps 19: ..
the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.


10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.


11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

They are profitable for us. Even His word is profitable for us.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If we were already sinless perfect saints we would need none of that!

Your effort to keep sinners such as yourself alive in Christ and walking in His light, while sinning, is your own gospel for sinners, not Jesus' good news of walking in His light while sinning not.

He keeps us alive. Not our works. He saves us, not our works.

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This is still true today for every man sinning, without respect of persons.

No, there is no trees today like that. Really. Jesus saves, not trees.

You say it is true for others, but not yourself.

I never said any such foolish thing actually.

Correct. Sinning by temptation is the sin. And the brethren of Jesus are tempted as He was without sinning.

If we are tempted and resist it, that is not sin actually. If people fail to resist at times and trespass, He is right there in us and correcting, and delivering us from evil and forgiving and chastening us etc etc. He is active and real in our lives. Not some far away spook that expects immediate and absolute perfection or else hellfire! He died to save us from hell.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also

 

[Ghada]

2 Samuel 24 shows David sinned and God gave him his choice of corrections/chastisements.

I neglected to congratulate you on your first time time effort to show a proof of your doctrine by a Bible example. You just give the verse as it is and try to draw a sensible conclusion from it. That is well done. The rest of the time you just change the verses around to make them fit your predetermined personal teachings.

However, even in this case you give, there is a difference between the common effects of sinning upon the sinner's life, which all sinners of the world experience, vs the particular chastisement of God reserved only for His pure born sons.

Since He cannot be dealing with any son of His while sinning (since it's not possible for sinners sinning against Him to be His sons), then His chastisement for obedient sons is not the same for those sinners sinning with the devil against Him.

God's corrections and chastisements upon His sons, are only during temptation in order to ensure His sons endure temptation and not fall. The correction is the strengthening of His faith within His sons' hearts, to add the virtue, godliness, and charity of His Son Jesus to their faith, so as to ensure we do not fall by temptation. (2 Peter 1)

I.e. since 2 Peter 1 shows that only by adding these godly virtues to our faith, we can ensure we never fall. Then God's corrections are to ensure we do add them to our faith, by which we shall never fall.

The true God's Fatherly corrections are therefore never for those still sinning against Him with the devil, because they are already fallen. They therefore have no faith of Jesus in their hearts, upon which to add His godly virtues and charity to in the first place. Which in turn is the only way of Jesus to go on to the perfection of never falling to temptation of the devil.

To put it simply, how can anyone be corrected to perfect their fishing, if they are not even in the boat and on water to fish in the first place? Not possible. Much less with antagonists to fishing. A master fisherman does not waste time trying to train anti-fishers to become fishermen in the first place, much less to be made more perfect fishermen.

So it is with the Master of life in holiness and true righteousness. He does not waste His time trying to train sinners against Him, to become more perfect followers of Him. He just does as the Bible says and commands all sinners everywhere to repent of their sinning against Him first, and only then can He train, correct, and chastise them into being perfected in His faith.

If a pure born son of God, does sin again, he is not a son but is a bastard. He has cast down the Father's rod and left the boat altogether. Now God must command him to repent like all sinners of the world without respect of persons.

If you want to say that a son in training can also be sinning against the Master, while remaining in the boat fishing, then you're only speaking of another kind of master and boat and fishing, than the true Master and God Jesus Christ.

Paul would call it another gospel of another master of sinful fisherman.

 

[dad]

I neglected to congratulate you on your first time time effort to show a proof of your doctrine by a Bible example. You just give the verse as it is and try to draw a sensible conclusion from it. That is well done. The rest of the time you just change the verses around to make them fit your predetermined personal teachings.

However, even in this case you give, there is a difference between the common effects of sinning upon the sinner's life, which all sinners of the world experience, vs the particular chastisement of God reserved only for His pure born sons.

What is a pure born son as opposed to a saved sinner? Did you think some were born pure? I suspect you use the phrase to refer to saved people who are born again. If so, then they are sons and every son gets chastened. Not for pureness.

Since He cannot be dealing with any son of His while sinning (since it's not possible for sinners sinning against Him to be His sons),

You ignore that all sons are chastened like David was. For our good. All saved are saved sinners, not perfectly pure sinless saints of some sort.

then His chastisement for obedient sons is not the same for those sinners sinning with the devil against Him.

Why chastise an obedient child? The whole idea is teaching them and correcting them and bring them up right.
Not whacking them for fun.

God's corrections and chastisements upon His sons, are only during temptation in order to ensure His sons endure temptation and not fall.

His judgments are for our benefit. Nowhere does it say He clobbers folks who are saved while being tempted. Yoou made that up whole of cloth.

The correction is the strengthening of His faith within His sons' hearts, to add the virtue, godliness, and charity of His Son Jesus to their faith, so as to ensure we do not fall by temptation. (2 Peter 1)

Corrections do strengthen us. But whacking you every time you are tempted is not that.

I.e. since 2 Peter 1 shows that only by adding these godly virtues to our faith, we can ensure we never fall. Then God's corrections are to ensure we do add them to our faith, by which we shall never fall.

Falling does not mean falling to hell. Get over that thought. Falling could mean losing our crown or maybe the highest calling God had for us. Falling could mean not doing some good thing we should have done. Falling could mean not resisting a temptation. Etc etc etc.

The true God's Fatherly corrections are therefore never for those still sinning against Him with the devil, because they are already fallen.

Trespassing is something Jesus says we need constant forgiveness for. Getting saved is not entering into perfect purity and sinlessness in a moment. A baby needs to grow and feed and learn.

To put it simply, how can anyone be corrected to perfect their fishing, if they are not even in the boat and on water to fish in the first place?

Saved people are in the boat. What needs correcting is their hearts and lives, not style of fishing. He works on our hearts on the inside. He that has begun a good work in us will perform it till the end.

So it is with the Master of life in holiness and true righteousness. He does not waste His time trying to train sinners against Him, to become more perfect followers of Him.

He chastises sons. Those who accepted Him. It is not a waste of time. He wants us perfect and pure entering the eternal world. We are a work in progress here.

He just does as the Bible says and commands all sinners everywhere to repent of their sinning against Him first, and only then can He train, correct, and chastise them into being perfected in His faith.

Once they do He comes in and starts working on them. He only chastises sons. Having repented and accepted Jesus did not make us instantly perfect and unable to trespass. It made us forgiven! It made us sons. Every son He receives He chastises. The judgements and corrections start after we are saved.

If a pure born son of God, does sin again, he is not a son but is a bastard.

If we are not chastised as sons (which is after becoming sons and being saved of course) THEN we are bastards. We are chastened because we need it, not because we are perfect suddenly.

If you want to say that a son in training can also be sinning against the Master,

No training needed to be saved and sons! The training comes after.

 

[Ghada]

Except God compares it precisely to that.
Heb 12:5 And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not take lightly the discipline of the Lord, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you. 6For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and He chastises every son He receives.” 7 Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?

It's a common error for the carnal minded to take natural examples too far with God. God does not have bastard sons in His family. He doesn't chasten sinning men as sons, but only commands them as enemies to repent of their works of enmity with Him.

The Father only chastens His obedient sons, not the children of disobedience.

The Prodigal son never sinned? Funny he said he did!

You've lost any honesty with what others say. I don't think it's on purpose, which makes your blindness much worse.

Jesus told his believing followers that they need to ask forgiveness for their trespasses. So that makes all sons sinners,

No, that makes sons making themselves bastards, by sinning against the Father and the Son. If they repent, then both God and His sons can forgive them, just like any other repenting enemy of God.

Your god and family of all sinning sons is not the true God of the Bible.

Your ministry of sin to all sons is not the ministry of Christ.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is not doing righteousness is not of God,

Forgiven sinners that need renewing and cleansing and purging etc.

Your gospel of forgiven sinners still at enmity with God, is not the Bible.

The Bible is forgiven repented saints.

 

[Ghada]

Which time!? The time he lusted or the time he called for a census?

He did each once, and repented and did them no more.

If we were already sinless perfect saints we would need none of that!

Growing in the grace of God is not growing in sin against God.

The only profitable thing in the Bible, that unrepented sinners can do, is repent of their sinning.

He keeps us alive.

He keeps no sinning soul alive, but only dead and apart from Himself. He keeps sinners alive on earth for time to repent.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Not our works. He saves us, not our works.

God saves the soul and the life. Our soul is the life we live.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Your inner religion apart from how you live, is hypocrisy the world can condemn.

If people fail to resist at times and trespass, He is right there in us and correcting,

He's right there around you convicting and commanding you to repent.

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me;

No one is believing Jesus while disobeying Him. Nor can they be loving Him, while being an enemy to Him.

Your gospel of a sinful christ in sinning sons, is not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Not some far away spook that expects immediate and absolute perfection or else hellfire! He died to save us from hell.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God,

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Go ahead and mock the Holy Ghost as being a spook.

And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also

No unrepented sinner mocking the sanctifying perfect Spirit of God has Him dwelling in them.

Perhaps still dwelling around them convicting to repent, but perhaps not anymore.

 

[dad]

It's a common error for the carnal minded to take natural examples too far with God. God does not have bastard sons in His family. He doesn't chasten sinning men as sons, but only commands them as enemies to repent of their works of enmity with Him.

Correct if you do not get chastened as all sons do you are not family.

The Father only chastens His obedient sons, not the children of disobedience.

So you think the disobedient do not get correction only those who are pure and sinless. Got it.

No, that makes sons making themselves bastards, by sinning against the Father and the Son.

So now all who He needs to correct are bastards? That makes no sense.

If they repent, then both God and His sons can forgive them, just like any other repenting enemy of God.

We are talking about sons trespassing. Not enemies of God.

Your god and family of all sinning sons is not the true God of the Bible.

Your idea that God does not chasten sons as the bible says is a fairy tale.

Your ministry of sin to all sons is not the ministry of Christ.

Jesus did not say that brethren you need to forgive were part of a ministry of sin.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is not doing righteousness is not of God,

That chapter is primarily about loving one another. Those that call one another enemies of God for needing forgiveness or correction from God as sons disobey that chapter. They do not do righteousness.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Doing righteousness means forgiving other brothers and sisters not casting stones. Doing righteousness has zero to do with some imagined works of perfection or law keeping we do! Zero. It has to do with love and Him in us.

 

[dad]

He did each once, and repented and did them no more.

So David sinned only twice? Proof? When he said 'Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;' was he lying?

Growing in the grace of God is not growing in sin against God.

His corrections do not make us grow weird or far from Him actually

The only profitable thing in the Bible, that unrepented sinners can do, is repent of their sinning.

Then they are sons. Then they still need correction

He keeps no sinning soul alive, but only dead and apart from Himself. He keeps sinners alive on earth for time to repent.

Our soul does not die once saved, and trespasses we do are not keeping us from Him, with His correction and judgments they drive us closer to Him. All part of growing up.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Yes, and WHAT things?
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest:

As for the vile sins mentioned in the previous chapter, take a look at this-

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

That is talking about the unsaved that do not have His spirit in them and are not convicted if they trespass but take pleasure in it! Not saved in other words.

God saves the soul and the life. Our soul is the life we live.

Yes, and part of that is chastening as needed EVERY son He gets!

Perhaps still dwelling around them convicting to repent, but perhaps not anymore.

Once they repent and get saved they no longer love sinning. He is in us convicting and leading and correcting and chastising us.

 

[Ghada]

In the gospel handed down by the Apostles, the repentance is to change ones mind.

Your apostles of your faith have changes of mind. My apostles preach changing the heart.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Your Christianity only changes your mind about sin. It's not the pure religion of Jesus Christ that changes the heart from sinning.

Repentance is the word metanoia (meta=change, noia, thought). It means we change our mind about god and all that comes to entail. We change our mind about who Jesus is, what it takes to be saved and receive Jesus as our Savior (leaving behind works or a false god or good intentions as our saving)

Boors me out of my mind.

No the gospel of God does not command sin,

of course not.

it just recognizes people do.

Yours' does and commands all people everywhere to say they have sin. And so they must have sin, to say they have sin. And so they must sin, to have sin and say they have sin. Just simple ABC's of logic.

Your gospel commandment fails, if anyone has no sin, and so cannot say they have sin.

But you do not serve the God of the bible, for you have him having no mercy after one is saved.

No, I have Him having no sin. I do not have your christ having you and your sin.

Your issue is that you cannot see john in his epistles is writing to believers, not unsaved.

Your John writes to saved sinners like you. My John is writing to believers saying they are saved while sinning.

You also say you have no sin, that is condemned, while sinning.

You have made yourself a liar and bearer of false witness again1

To you of course. I'm also an heretic to your gospel. Gladly.

Liar!

Liar!

Pants on fire!

I don't be;ieve yopur false witness and lying conclusions at all! It is you who have convinced yourself that I buy these lies you have spun!

You have me mistaken for someone else. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Nor do I believe you ever buy anything other than what you've already bought into.

 

[Ghada]

What is a pure born son as opposed to a saved sinner? Did you think some were born pure?

Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

You argue the doctrine of Christ and are blind to being newborn with a whole new heart from God in Christ Jesus.

Getting saved is not entering into perfect purity and sinlessness in a moment.

Congratulations. In one fell swoop you reject the new covenant promise of God in Christ Jesus, and instead preach your own progressive Christian religion.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

To whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God,

Your unbelief is by not repenting of all your lust and transgressions, so as to believe in doing all God's will. You keep your old heart of lust rather than repent to receive God's new pure heart, as a born sone and new man after His own heart.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Getting saved is not entering into perfect purity and sinlessness in a moment.

You repent not of all at once, and so you receive not at all, not once nor never. Instead you reject it by an old unrepented heart of lust and unbelief.

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

For he is not a Jew nor Christian, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew and Christian, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

The sharp and powerfully quick circumcision of the heart's foreskin of lust, is not the blunted hands of half-hearted man in progressive Christian religion.

That is why you minister continued old lust of heart, with less outward corruption, rather than minister the new covenant gospel of Jesus Christ with a whole new and pure heart for God.

 

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Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

You argue the doctrine of Christ and are blind to being newborn with a whole new heart from God in Christ Jesus.

No, actually, you pretend that the pure blood of Jesus saving us was works. That doctrine is not God's.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Yes, and every one that He gives it to is chastened after. All but you apparently, because you think you are now already pure, sinless and poop jellybeans. Sorry, that act grew old a long time ago. Not buying your bridge thanks.