We Follow the King. You Follow a Corpse.

[The Gospel of Christ]

Well you made many false implications.

In the church age there is only one people of God- the church- not Israel or some phony mistranslation of Galatians calling the church spiritual Israel.

I don't have a prophecy chart so that is another false assumption you make. I just know what Scripture says without reinterpreting it.

Since Pentecost anyone not trusting in the death and resurrection of Jesus is lost whether Jew or Gentile.

Being Abrahams seed does not make you an Israeli- Abraham also had Ishmeal.

And you mistranslate Romans 9 badly-Paul was speaking of physical Israel as the context of 9-11 speaks of in reference to Israel. He contrast Jew and Gentile.

Phillipians -Paul is speaking of saved Jews and not just any Jew. that is known by keeping the verse in context, when he speaks of the concision. Once again a saved versus lost Jew.

Not one place in scripture does any body clearly say the church is now Israel.

However you have to negate nearly the prophesies of the prophets in the OT when they were made to the nation and people of Israel and somehow reinterpret them to fit the church. It just can't be done.

Now let us look at teh New Covenant as God declared it in Jer. and Hebrews:

Jeremiah 31:31-37​

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King James Version​

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Let’s walk through this slowly so even Scofield’s ghost can keep up.

You quoted Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 as if that somehow disproves the Church's participation in the New Covenant — when Hebrews explicitly says the New Covenant already began, and you're reading it like it’s still future.

Let’s clarify:
“In that He saith, A new covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
— Hebrews 8:13

That's not future tense.
That's not “after the rapture.”
That’s the New Testament writer saying it already began.

So who’s in the New Covenant?

Let’s ask Jesus:
“This cup is the New Covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.”
— Luke 22:20

Not “poured out for national Israel in the future.”
Not “poured out for Jews only.”
Poured out for His disciples — the foundation of the Church.

Let’s ask Paul:
“He is our peace, who has made both one and has broken down the dividing wall… to create in Himself one new man out of the two… reconciling both to God in one body through the Cross.”
— Ephesians 2:14–16

One new man. One body. One covenant.
Not two peoples. Not two plans.
Not “the Church over here and national Israel over there.”

If only “the house of Israel and Judah” can be in the New Covenant, and you’re saying the Church isn’t that — then guess what?

You’re not in it either.

You just cut yourself out of eternal salvation to protect a prophecy chart —
a chart invented by a drunk, divorced, convicted felon named Cyrus Scofield who literally never preached the Gospel,
but somehow convinced millions that unbelieving Jews have a separate VIP covenant with God…
while the blood of Christ gets shoved to the side “until after the Rapture.”

That's not theology.
That's theological idolatry — bowing to a fake map of the end times instead of to the Man who fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

You say the Church isn’t Israel?
Then you’re not in the covenant.
The New Covenant is with the house of Israel and Judah — absolutely.
But here’s the kicker:
The Church is that Israel, redefined not by flesh, but by faith.

As Paul wrote:
“A Jew is not one outwardly... but inwardly.
And circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not the letter.”
— Romans 2:28–29

So when someone throws out the Scofield classic:
“Nowhere in Scripture does it say the Church is Israel!”

Just respond with:
Wrong.

It says Israel isn’t even Israel unless they’re in Christ (Romans 9:6).
And it says those in Christ are Abraham’s seed (Galatians 3:29).
That’s not allegory.
That’s Paul.

Scofield didn’t rightly divide the Word.
He ripped it in half, and then slapped man-made borders on God’s eternal plan.

You quoted Jeremiah 31?
Perfect — now read the rest of Scripture that tells you who Israel is in the New Covenant era:

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“If you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“We are the true circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God…” — Philippians 3:3

So either Paul was “mistranslating” himself…
Or your theology is bankrupt.

Here's the truth for the lurkers:
Christ is the New Covenant (Isaiah 42:6, Luke 22:20).
He made one Body from Jew and Gentile alike.
And only those in Him are the true Israel of God.

Not national borders.
Not ethnic lineage claims.
Not Talmud-thumping unbelievers still rejecting the Son.

You want to quote Jeremiah 31? Fine. But Hebrews 8 already told you it’s fulfilled — in Christ — and the Church is its recipient. You can either join the covenant through Christ, or cling to the shadow that was made obsolete.

“For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12

So stop trying to resurrect a national covenant God already fulfilled in His Son.
The old is gone. The new has come.
The Church is Israel — reborn from above, not below.

If you're not in Christ...
You're not in covenant.

And that’s not “replacement theology.”
That’s New Covenant reality.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

And not one of those verses goes on to say this new entity is called either Israel or spiritual Israel. However throughout Pauls writings He does refer to us as , "the body of Christ", Tjhe church, The bride of Christ, The espoused of Christ.

You can't even see that you are guilty of redefining what God says to fit your covenant theology with its replacement false hypothesis.

No — I’m not redefining Israel.
Paul is.

You’re clinging to a flesh-based definition that Paul repeatedly dismantles.
Let’s walk through it — again — slowly.

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
That is a redefinition — directly from Paul’s pen.

“A Jew is not one outwardly… but inwardly. Circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
That’s not me redefining Israel — that’s Paul redefining Jewish identity in the New Covenant.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
So who inherits the promises? Christ’s Body. That’s covenantal Israel — fulfilled.

You say Paul never calls the Church “Israel”?
He doesn’t need to.
He dismantles Old Covenant definitions and places all promises in Christ.

And if only the house of Israel and Judah are in the New Covenant — and you say the Church isn’t that — then you’ve cut the Church out of salvation. Because Hebrews 8 doesn’t say He made a New Covenant with “the Church.” It says:
“I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and Judah.” — Hebrews 8:8

So unless the Church is the fulfillment of that Israel — we’re all damned.

Here’s the uncomfortable truth:
The New Testament doesn’t say “spiritual Israel” because it doesn’t need a qualifier.
Once you’re in Christ, that’s Israel now.
Not by race.
Not by borders.
Not by temple sacrifices.

“There is one body and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4–6
“He made the two groups one and destroyed the barrier…” — Ephesians 2:14

There are NOT two covenants running in parallel.
There’s one New Covenant, and only one people of God — the Body of Christ.

And if you’re still trying to keep national Israel in some privileged covenant apart from Christ — you’re not defending scripture.
You’re defending a false system that splits what God made one — and elevates flesh over faith.

That’s not covenant, or replacement theology.
That’s Pauline theology.
And you just don’t like where it leads.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

WAKE UP people.
We are living in the most absurd, upside-down, spiritually hijacked era in human history.

The modern State of Rothschild’s False Israel™ — the darling of Dispensationalists, the so-called “prophetic fulfillment,” the supposed home of “God’s chosen people” — is an absolute fraud.

A theological fraud.
A political fraud.
A genealogical fraud.

And every time the modern Church bows to it, it spits in the face of Christ.

Let’s be crystal clear:

The overwhelming majority of those claiming to be “Jews” today — the Ashkenazi — are not from the tribe of Judah. Not from Levi. Not from Benjamin.
They are not Hebrews.
They are not biblical Israelites.
They are white, Eastern European converts — the descendants of the Khazar Empire, a medieval Turkic kingdom that adopted Judaism around the 8th–10th centuries.
That’s it. No Moses. No David. No temple lineage.
They’re as genetically related to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as your local HVAC repairman.

BUT EVEN IF THEY WERE…

Even if they had direct DNA from the biblical priesthood — from Aaron, Moses’ brother and the first high priest of Israel —
THEY ARE STILL CUT OFF FROM GOD WITHOUT CHRIST, according to the Gospel.

“No one who denies the Son has the Father.” — 1 John 2:23
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“If you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

It doesn’t matter if your bloodline traces to the temple courts.
It doesn’t matter if you speak fluent Hebrew, wear a yarmulke, and quote Torah from memory.
If you reject the Son, you are outside the covenant. Full stop.

There is no path back to the Father that bypasses the Cross.
There is no chosenness apart from the Chosen One.

The Gospel obliterates all of it.
Ethnic pride.
National myth.
Religious cosplay.
Gone.

This isn’t just deception — it’s triple deception.

They’re not biblically Jewish — they reject Jesus Christ, the King of the Jews.

They’re not genetically Jewish — they’re Eastern Europeans with no bloodline to Abraham.

They’re not geographically Jewish — they are squatters on land seized in 1948, propped up by war, banking empires, and propaganda.
Their 8th-century ancestors couldn’t have found biblical Israel on a map if the entire map was Israel.


They are fake Jews — three times over:
Spiritually fake
Genetically fake
Prophetically fake

They are not the people of God — they are the people of Gog.

Triple fake.
Fake lineage.
Fake inheritance.
Fake chosenness.

And the tragic part?

Millions of Christians — especially in the West — are still defending this charade in the name of “blessing Israel,” as if God’s promises were about land deeds and chromosomes, instead of faith in the blood of His Son.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“If righteousness could be gained through the Law, Christ died for nothing.” — Galatians 2:21

This is not “replacement theology.”
It’s fulfilled theology — the actual Gospel.

Jesus didn’t come to be a sidekick to a modern political state.
He didn’t bleed to reinforce a rabbinic caste system.

He IS the temple.
He IS the covenant.
He IS Israel.

And if you’re not in Him — you’re out.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

This entire deception — this 77-year charade — is no different than the current “trans” delusion.

If 500 Japanese citizens “convert” to Judaism — fine.
But don’t expect me to start calling them “ethnic descendants of Abraham” or “God’s chosen people” just because they adopted a religion.

That’s not how covenant works.
That’s not how lineage works.
And yet that’s exactly what’s happening in modern False Israel™ —
Russian, Polish, and German Khazars waving the Torah like a stage prop —
rejecting Christ, and demanding "divine status" based on fake ethnicity, stolen identity, and Talmudic rebellion.

Conversion doesn’t make you a Levite.
Moving to Tel Aviv doesn’t make you an heir to the promises of God.
And slapping a yarmulke on a Rothschild doesn’t make him a son of Abraham.

“The children of the flesh are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.” — Romans 9:8

Rothschild’s False Israel™ isn’t prophecy fulfilled —
it’s a theological fraud propped up by emotionally manipulated Christians who haven’t read the New Testament without their Scofield blinders on in decades.

One has to be truly Saved, born again to understand what you are saying here.

Like they are only Religious !
There religion is their guide.
They are not on the same page. They are of this world and stuck in this world ! but they have to grow in Christ Jesus, so as to come out from such deceptions and delusions. that this worlds media and Governments etc peddle.

The Talmud is the most Evil Satanic Books ever printed ! But they are not exposed for what them Books say in fact !

I have read Hitlers first book and that has nothing in it that comes even cloase, to what I have read of the Talmud Books that is outright Evil !
I wanted to get Hitlers book back in the 80's and I only got the 3rd degree, who are you, who are your parents, where do you live etc, just for asking ! and No ! I told them everything they asked and they all said, You have no rights to such a book ! in that Town.

I was like what the hell ! Because I thought that I lived in a free Nation !

I think that they thought I was wanting to become a Nazi ? But No ! I was trying to seek what the hell, he was saying in fact ! because my mum lived under Nazi ocupation as a child in Denmark. and I heard storys from all of the old people, that they would tell of their life regarding all such, and I found it interesting.
I had a zeel for understanding such for, I felt it was worthy to understand for the good of all, so as to be educated on the in's and out's of such a subject !
My elder brother and sister would run to bed when the storyes would always come out after they stoped playing music, at 10PM I would say, for regards neighbours. then all of the different wogs would just talk.

I was in the big city and I seen Hitlers book for sale out in the front. So I bought it.
But you can not by the Talmud Books in English. but what I have read, I was so shocked, as it was pure Evil ! such outright full blown racial prejudice to the extreem, that even Hitler did not go anywhere that far ! Bigoted to the extreem, not even Hitler was that stupid radical.

That is not to say that the many of the Jews are like that at all, nor were many of the Germans like Hitler in fact ! But the Germans are painted with the same brush regardless, due to ignorance ! and the Jews before the 1990's in Australia over all, were regarded as a Lost people over all, but then the Media promoted the Jew from 1990's here and they became Idolised !
I had JW's want to kiss my feet back then and I demanded No ! They had asked my name and knowing it was Jewish then they wanted to kiss my feet.

Fools always go into a mode ? you mention Jews ? and do not be suprised that they kick into a mode, an uneducated one ! one that is totaly ignorant and pathetic, that of a 5yo ! same in regard Germans and Nazis. because they get what you are truly saying wrong ? because they are clearly amatures on the subject !
But the Media peddles a shallow subject, that is Idolised, as the be all.
So if I say in regards that All Jews are not the same ? average Joe Blow automaticly goes into idiot mode, No ! demanding that all Jews are the same ! Retards !
Just the same with Germans, all Germans were Nazis, they demand, what outright ignorance ! They do not even understand that they had no choise in fact, because the Nazi Party was Socialist ! and Political Correctness dominated over everyone in fact ! just like Communism was PC dominated !
But the majority of Australians have clearly no understanding on the Key issues at all, of how or why such got such Power over the People was to totaly dominate over them in fact !

Same with the Talmud's domination over Jews and Nazis ? for they do not understand what the Talmud truly is ! because they are lost in fact !

Only when one comes out from this world, can one truly see the deceptions and delusions for what they are ! other than that you are of this world ! Lost !
So no wonder we have so much troubles going on in the world, because people can be taken for fools so easy !

You come across as one who has understanding. maybe you understand what I am on about ?

I am not against the Jews at all, in regards God ! but they are lead astray, and that is the issue ! just as Christian denominations are. it's the same Key issue ! for they are Lost in fact !

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Let’s walk through this slowly so even Scofield’s ghost can keep up.

You quoted Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 as if that somehow disproves the Church's participation in the New Covenant — when Hebrews explicitly says the New Covenant already began, and you're reading it like it’s still future.

Let’s clarify:
“In that He saith, A new covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
— Hebrews 8:13

That's not future tense.
That's not “after the rapture.”
That’s the New Testament writer saying it already began.

So who’s in the New Covenant?

Let’s ask Jesus:
“This cup is the New Covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.”
— Luke 22:20

Not “poured out for national Israel in the future.”
Not “poured out for Jews only.”
Poured out for His disciples — the foundation of the Church.

Let’s ask Paul:
“He is our peace, who has made both one and has broken down the dividing wall… to create in Himself one new man out of the two… reconciling both to God in one body through the Cross.”
— Ephesians 2:14–16

One new man. One body. One covenant.
Not two peoples. Not two plans.
Not “the Church over here and national Israel over there.”

If only “the house of Israel and Judah” can be in the New Covenant, and you’re saying the Church isn’t that — then guess what?

You’re not in it either.

You just cut yourself out of eternal salvation to protect a prophecy chart —
a chart invented by a drunk, divorced, convicted felon named Cyrus Scofield who literally never preached the Gospel,
but somehow convinced millions that unbelieving Jews have a separate VIP covenant with God…
while the blood of Christ gets shoved to the side “until after the Rapture.”

That's not theology.
That's theological idolatry — bowing to a fake map of the end times instead of to the Man who fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

You say the Church isn’t Israel?
Then you’re not in the covenant.
The New Covenant is with the house of Israel and Judah — absolutely.
But here’s the kicker:
The Church is that Israel, redefined not by flesh, but by faith.

As Paul wrote:
“A Jew is not one outwardly... but inwardly.
And circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not the letter.”
— Romans 2:28–29

So when someone throws out the Scofield classic:
“Nowhere in Scripture does it say the Church is Israel!”

Just respond with:
Wrong.

It says Israel isn’t even Israel unless they’re in Christ (Romans 9:6).
And it says those in Christ are Abraham’s seed (Galatians 3:29).
That’s not allegory.
That’s Paul.

Scofield didn’t rightly divide the Word.
He ripped it in half, and then slapped man-made borders on God’s eternal plan.

You quoted Jeremiah 31?
Perfect — now read the rest of Scripture that tells you who Israel is in the New Covenant era:

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“If you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“We are the true circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God…” — Philippians 3:3

So either Paul was “mistranslating” himself…
Or your theology is bankrupt.

Here's the truth for the lurkers:
Christ is the New Covenant (Isaiah 42:6, Luke 22:20).
He made one Body from Jew and Gentile alike.
And only those in Him are the true Israel of God.

Not national borders.
Not ethnic lineage claims.
Not Talmud-thumping unbelievers still rejecting the Son.

You want to quote Jeremiah 31? Fine. But Hebrews 8 already told you it’s fulfilled — in Christ — and the Church is its recipient. You can either join the covenant through Christ, or cling to the shadow that was made obsolete.

“For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12

So stop trying to resurrect a national covenant God already fulfilled in His Son.
The old is gone. The new has come.
The Church is Israel — reborn from above, not below.

If you're not in Christ...
You're not in covenant.

And that’s not “replacement theology.”
That’s New Covenant reality.

Well once again your error is in just looking at the English and not the original.

If only “the house of Israel and Judah” can be in the New Covenant, and you’re saying the Church isn’t that — then guess what?

You’re not in it either.

But we are as was prophesied in the OT, revealed in the New and made [possible by the blood of Jesus. And sorry Jesus is not the New Covenant. He is as Gods Word says- is the mediator of the New covenant.

You just cut yourself out of eternal salvation to protect a prophecy chart —
a chart invented by a drunk, divorced, convicted felon named Cyrus Scofield who literally never preached the Gospel,
but somehow convinced millions that unbelieving Jews have a separate VIP covenant with God…
while the blood of Christ gets shoved to the side “until after the Rapture.”

Rank inanity and wild assuming on your part. You need to calm down and think and not rant out of your own personal anger and bias.

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“If you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“We are the true circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God…” — Philippians 3:3

So either Paul was “mistranslating” himself…
Or your theology is bankrupt.

Paul knew that an Israelite is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and not just Jacob. Paul also knoew that in Abraham the gentiles would be blessed- not transformed into another Israel.

It says Israel isn’t even Israel unless they’re in Christ (Romans 9:6).
And it says those in Christ are Abraham’s seed (Galatians 3:29).
That’s not allegory.
That’s Paul.

No that is Paul making a comparison between natural Israel and spiritual Israel which are those who trust Christ. Just like in Galatians when He said the true circumcision are the Jews circumcised in the heart (by Christ) and not just the physical act. Paul did that kind of comparison in many of his epistles to show that natural Israel needs salvation just like Gentiles.

Here's the truth for the lurkers:
Christ is the New Covenant (Isaiah 42:6, Luke 22:20).
He made one Body from Jew and Gentile alike.
And only those in Him are the true Israel of God.

Lines 1and 2 are 100% correct. Line 3 is 100% wrong. You still have failed to show anywhere that the church is the true Israel. We are the body of Christ, the church and the espoused of Jesus and are different than the OT Israeli saints with a different destiny in Jesus 1000 year kingdom on earth.

You say the Church isn’t Israel?
Then you’re not in the covenant.
The New Covenant is with the house of Israel and Judah — absolutely.
But here’s the kicker:
The Church is that Israel, redefined not by flesh, but by faith.

So who is Judah in your retranslating the Word of God. God never called teh church Israel.. Covenant ans Replacement theology has done that by reinterpreting the Bible

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The overwhelming majority of those claiming to be “Jews” today — the Ashkenazi — are not from the tribe of Judah. Not from Levi. Not from Benjamin.

Specifically- no many are from the ten northern tribes known as Israel. But any Levi, Levine, Leventhal, Levenstall or Cohen is from Levi.

But let me ask you as you demand Israel is now the church-when did the church do these two things god declared:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

God never made the Old Covenant with the church nor did our fathers travel the desert.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Well once again your error is in just looking at the English and not the original.

But we are as was prophesied in the OT, revealed in the New and made [possible by the blood of Jesus. And sorry Jesus is not the New Covenant. He is as Gods Word says- is the mediator of the New covenant.

Rank inanity and wild assuming on your part. You need to calm down and think and not rant out of your own personal anger and bias.

Paul knew that an Israelite is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and not just Jacob. Paul also knoew that in Abraham the gentiles would be blessed- not transformed into another Israel.

No that is Paul making a comparison between natural Israel and spiritual Israel which are those who trust Christ. Just like in Galatians when He said the true circumcision are the Jews circumcised in the heart (by Christ) and not just the physical act. Paul did that kind of comparison in many of his epistles to show that natural Israel needs salvation just like Gentiles.

Lines 1and 2 are 100% correct. Line 3 is 100% wrong. You still have failed to show anywhere that the church is the true Israel. We are the body of Christ, the church and the espoused of Jesus and are different than the OT Israeli saints with a different destiny in Jesus 1000 year kingdom on earth.

So who is Judah in your retranslating the Word of God. God never called teh church Israel.. Covenant ans Replacement theology has done that by reinterpreting the Bible

Let’s go point by point so we can drag Scofield’s corpse out of your theology and let the living Word of God breathe again.

“Jesus isn’t the New Covenant — He’s just the mediator of it.”

That’s theological sleight-of-hand — a dodge to separate Christ from the very covenant He is.

“I will give You as a covenant for the people.” — Isaiah 42:6
God didn’t say Christ delivers the covenant. He is the covenant.

You’re slicing up Jesus like He’s just a mailman instead of the message.
That’s not orthodoxy — that’s blasphemy in disguise.

“Paul was only comparing physical and spiritual Israel.”

Wrong.
Romans 9:6 isn’t a metaphor — it’s a judgment:
“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.”

Translation:
Lineage doesn’t save. Covenant status isn’t inherited by blood — it’s received by faith.
Paul isn’t comparing two Israels — he’s drawing a bloodline through the Cross.

Then comes the guillotine:
“They were broken off because of unbelief.” — Romans 11:20

Not maybe.
Not someday.
They were.
Cut off. Removed. No longer part of the tree.
That’s not a warning — that’s a fact.

And who remains?
“You stand by faith.”
Welcome to the real Israel — not the one with borders, but the one built on the Cornerstone.
No Christ = No covenant. No exception for DNA. No salvation in unbelief.

“God never calls the Church Israel.”
He doesn’t have to — He redefines Israel around His Son.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“We are the true circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God…” — Philippians 3:3
“One new man… one body… reconciled through the Cross.” — Ephesians 2:14–16

“We’re separate from Old Testament saints. Different destinies. Different programs.”

That’s Scofield’s fantasy novel — not the Gospel.
Jesus didn’t say, “I have two flocks with two futures.”
He said:

“There will be one flock and one Shepherd.” — John 10:16

You’re the one trying to divide what Christ died to make whole.

“That sounds like replacement theology!”
No — it’s fulfillment theology.

Nobody was replaced.
The promises were fulfilled — in Christ — and you either receive them by faith or forfeit them in unbelief.

You want to delay that reality until a future political Israel accepts it on their terms?
That’s not just error — that’s heresy.

Here’s the covenant-destroying contradiction at the rotten heart of your system:

You admit the New Covenant is only with Israel and Judah…

...but then say the Church isn’t Israel.

So guess what?

You just excluded yourself from the covenant —
and placed the entire Church outside of God’s promises.

Your logic leads straight to spiritual suicide.

You either believe:

1. The Church is the New Covenant people — Israel in Christ,

or

2. The Church isn’t in the covenant at all — and therefore has no salvation, and every Christian is damned.

Pick one. You can’t keep your Scofield chart and the Gospel too.

You quote Hebrews? Let’s go:

“By calling this covenant ‘new,’ He has made the first one obsolete.” — Hebrews 8:13

Past tense.
Not “after the rapture.”
Not “in the Millennium.”
Obsolete. Done. Fulfilled.

So why are you still waving around a prophecy chart like it’s Scripture?

Let’s expose the Scofield system for what it really is:

Two peoples of God
Two covenants
Christ’s blood delayed
The red letters pushed aside
The Church demoted to a “parenthesis”

That’s not theology —
that’s Antichrist doctrine.

It denies the Cross.
It fragments the body.
It turns unbelief into covenant.
It’s not just wrong —
it’s damnable.


Here’s the sword point — for everyone watching:
If you’re not in Christ,
you’re not in the covenant.
Because He is the covenant. — Isaiah 42:6, Luke 22:20
There is no salvation outside of Him.
No separate deal. No prophetic VIP lounge for unbelieving Jews.

The Church is Israel — reborn, not by flesh, but by faith.
And Christ is the center, the root, the fulfillment, the inheritance.

Everything else is just a Scofield footnote wrapped in delusion and dated eschatology.


Repent — and come out of the theological tomb.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You say the Church isn’t Israel?
Then you’re not in the covenant.
The New Covenant is with the house of Israel and Judah — absolutely.
But here’s the kicker:
The Church is that Israel, redefined not by flesh, but by faith

Not according to God, but according to Augustine.

As Paul wrote:
“A Jew is not one outwardly... but inwardly.
And circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not the letter.”
— Romans 2:28–29

So when someone throws out the Scofield classic:
“Nowhere in Scripture does it say the Church is Israel!”

Just respond with:
Wrong.

It says Israel isn’t even Israel unless they’re in Christ (Romans 9:6).
And it says those in Christ are Abraham’s seed (Galatians 3:29).
That’s not allegory.
That’s Paul.

Scofield didn’t rightly divide the Word.
He ripped it in half, and then slapped man-made borders on God’s eternal plan.

Wrong again!

Paul is making the distinction between physical Israel and spiritual Israel- the saved Jews. How do you deal with what Paul says when Jesus made Jew (the church) and Gentile one body. who are the gentiles in that declaration.

“For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12

So stop trying to resurrect a national covenant God already fulfilled in His Son.
The old is gone. The new has come.
The Church is Israel — reborn from above, not below.

So you reject all the promises god made to national Israel in the OT even though God said He will. How can you be sure He won't go back on His promises to teh church then? YOu can't know if you believe god has cancelled the promises made to His covenanted people.

But as to who the New Covenant belongs to? The 12 tribes. We are grafted onto the vine

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Specifically- no many are from the ten northern tribes known as Israel. But any Levi, Levine, Leventhal, Levenstall or Cohen is from Levi.

But let me ask you as you demand Israel is now the church-when did the church do these two things god declared:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

God never made the Old Covenant with the church nor did our fathers travel the desert.

You’re confusing covenantal identity with biological ancestry — and pretending that faith in Christ doesn’t change the equation.

Let’s address your points one at a time.

“God never made the Old Covenant with the Church…”

Correct.
And that’s the whole point.
The Church was never part of the Old Covenant.
The Church is the result of the New Covenant — the one that supersedes and fulfills the old.

Hebrews 8 makes it clear:
“He has made the first obsolete.” (v. 13)
And “a better covenant… established on better promises.” (v. 6)

Now to your real question:
“When did the Church ever do what Israel did — come out of Egypt and break the Sinai covenant?”

Answer: Never.
Because the Church didn’t exist before the Cross —
it was born out of the resurrection and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit.

But here’s what you’re missing entirely:
The New Covenant isn’t made with the Old Covenant breakers —
it’s made with their redeemed remnant.

And who is that?
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“If you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“We are the true circumcision.” — Philippians 3:3
“He made both one… one new man… reconciled in one body.” — Ephesians 2:14–16

You’re clinging to the shadow.
I’m proclaiming the fulfillment.

Let me flip your logic:

If the New Covenant is only with the house of Israel and Judah,
and you say the Church isn’t that Israel…
Then congratulations —
you just cut yourself out of the New Covenant.
No covenant = no promise = no salvation.

But here's the revelation you missed:
The Church is Israel — not by genealogy, but by regeneration.
Born again into the covenant — through the blood of Christ, the true Israelite (Matthew 2:15).

You want to go back to Sinai?
God says that mountain is obsolete (Hebrews 12:18–24).

We’ve come to Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, to the church of the firstborn — not to a dusty desert wandering.

The Church didn’t walk through the Red Sea —
but we passed through death and resurrection in Christ.

The Church didn’t break the Old Covenant —
because Christ fulfilled it and made a new one in His blood.

We don’t follow Moses out of Egypt.
We follow the Lamb out of the grave.

You want Sinai.
I’ll take Calvary.

And only one of those saves.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No — I’m not redefining Israel.
Paul is.

You’re clinging to a flesh-based definition that Paul repeatedly dismantles.
Let’s walk through it — again — slowly.

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
That is a redefinition — directly from Paul’s pen.

“A Jew is not one outwardly… but inwardly. Circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
That’s not me redefining Israel — that’s Paul redefining Jewish identity in the New Covenant.

And once again, if you had learned to keep things in their context and accept words at their face value (unless its obvious it is not literal) you would know easily that Paul is comparing just ethnic Israel verses saved Israel He is just in another way describing the history of Israel

And romans 9:6 is followed by Romans 9:7-11:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

If you keep it in what Paul is really saying and not your mystical reinterpretation, he is here speaking of ethnic Israel.

You’re confusing covenantal identity with biological ancestry — and pretending that faith in Christ doesn’t change the equation.

No that is how you and not the word defines it. God made covenantal promises to ethnic Israel alone. Nowhere does it say He revoked the promises to national Israel and given them to the church.

I challenge you to retranslate Romans 9_11 and every time you see Israel or Jew- retranslate it according to your ex-cathedra declaration and insert the word church there and get back to me to see if your hypothesis makes any sense at all.

Wrong.
Romans 9:6 isn’t a metaphor — it’s a judgment:
“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.”

NOw read the rest of the story in verses 7-11.

Correct.
And that’s the whole point.
The Church was never part of the Old Covenant.
The Church is the result of the New Covenant — the one that supersedes and fulfills the old.

Hebrews 8 makes it clear:
“He has made the first obsolete.” (v. 13)
And “a better covenant… established on better promises.” (v. 6)

Now go back and read whom god made it to:

Translation:
Lineage doesn’t save. Covenant status isn’t inherited by blood — it’s received by faith.
Paul isn’t comparing two Israels — he’s drawing a bloodline through the Cross.

Personal opinion (your own translation.)

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Not according to God, but according to Augustine.

Wrong again!

Paul is making the distinction between physical Israel and spiritual Israel- the saved Jews. How do you deal with what Paul says when Jesus made Jew (the church) and Gentile one body. who are the gentiles in that declaration.

So you reject all the promises god made to national Israel in the OT even though God said He will. How can you be sure He won't go back on His promises to teh church then? YOu can't know if you believe god has cancelled the promises made to His covenanted people.

But as to who the New Covenant belongs to? The 12 tribes. We are grafted onto the vine

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

First, I’m not quoting Augustine. I’m quoting Paul — repeatedly.

You’re the one quoting Scofield, Darby, and a chopped-up theology that was invented in the 1800s to create two peoples of God where Scripture says there’s one.

Let’s go step-by-step:

“Not according to God, but according to Augustine.”

Nope. According to Paul.

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“A Jew is one inwardly… circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek… for the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12

These aren’t allegories.
These are identity statements — defining covenant membership in the New Testament.

If you are in Christ, you are the true circumcision, the seed of Abraham, the heirs of the promise.
That’s not Augustine. That’s the apostle to the Gentiles.

“Paul is making the distinction between physical Israel and spiritual Israel — the saved Jews.”

That’s half-true — and half-truths make whole heresies.

Paul isn’t saying spiritual Israel = saved Jews only.
He’s saying true Israel = all who are in Christ, Jew or Gentile — “one new man,” not two separate programs (Ephesians 2:14–16).

That’s why the Gentiles are grafted in — not into a “Jewish national future,” but into the remnant tree of faith that Christ Himself is the root of (Romans 11:16–18).


“So you reject all the promises God made to national Israel?”

Wrong again.

I reject the Scofield misreading of those promises.
I believe God fulfilled them — in Christ. That’s what the New Testament says over and over again:

“For all the promises of God in Him are Yes and Amen.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

Not “in national Israel.”
Not “after the rapture.”
In Him.

“We are grafted onto the vine.”

Yes — and Paul explains exactly what that means:

“Some of the branches were broken off… and you, though a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root.” — Romans 11:17

You can’t be grafted in and still claim to be separate.
If you’re in the tree, you’re part of Israel’s promises — because you're in the Root, who is Christ.

“Blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles…”

Yes. And that verse is descriptive, not prescriptive.

Paul isn’t saying Jews have a separate destiny.
He’s describing the timeline of their hardening — and the hope of their return by the same means as everyone else: faith in Christ.

Which is why Romans 11:23 says:

“And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in…”

Same tree. Same gospel. Same Christ.
There’s no separate plan. There’s no racial covenant.
There is only one covenant — and only one people of God.

“All Israel shall be saved!”

Correct — and Paul just spent three chapters defining who Israel is.

“Not all who are of Israel are Israel…”
“It is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise.” — Romans 9:6–8

That “all Israel” includes every Jew and Gentile in Christ — not Talmud-thumping unbelievers waiting for a third temple.

“How can you trust God’s promises to the Church if He canceled His promises to Israel?”

That’s emotional blackmail disguised as theology.

God didn’t cancel a thing. He fulfilled it.
In Christ.

He didn’t set His promises on fire —
He poured them into a new wineskin (Luke 5:37–39),
where the old system couldn’t hold it anymore.

You want to dig up the shadow.
I’m pointing to the substance.

Let me be clear:
God keeps His promises.
The New Covenant was always about faith, not flesh.
The Church isn’t “spiritual Israel” — the Church is Israel in its final, fulfilled, Spirit-born form.

You believe God’s promise hinges on genealogy.
I believe it hinges on the Gospel.

So go ahead — boast in the broken branches if you want.

But I’ll boast in the Root.

Jesus. The true Israel.
The covenant fulfilled.
The promises kept.
The wall torn down.
And the new creation — born from above.
Not from blood. Not from flesh. Not from Scofield.

But from God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Correct.
And that’s the whole point.
The Church was never part of the Old Covenant.
The Church is the result of the New Covenant — the one that supersedes and fulfills the old.

And to whom was the Old made with and to whom did God say He was going to make the New with.

Jeremiah 31:31-37

King James Version

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

The New Covenant is made with all 12 tribes (who is Judah to your reinterpreting)

Verse 32 shows the Old was broken
Verse 33 God says the New covenant is made with those who descended from teh old covenant.

The only way yo0u can call this a covenant only for the church is by privately interpreting the word.

REad verses 36&37 and remember this is for the nation of Israel.

Teh church is grafted into the vine of blessing, but Paul made it absolutely and totally clear that in the future, the enite people who arew ethnic Israel will be saved.

That is spread throughout the Old and reaffirmed in the new.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

And once again, if you had learned to keep things in their context and accept words at their face value (unless its obvious it is not literal) you would know easily that Paul is comparing just ethnic Israel verses saved Israel He is just in another way describing the history of Israel

And romans 9:6 is followed by Romans 9:7-11:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

If you keep it in what Paul is really saying and not your mystical reinterpretation, he is here speaking of ethnic Israel.

No that is how you and not the word defines it. God made covenantal promises to ethnic Israel alone. Nowhere does it say He revoked the promises to national Israel and given them to the church.

I challenge you to retranslate Romans 9_11 and every time you see Israel or Jew- retranslate it according to your ex-cathedra declaration and insert the word church there and get back to me to see if your hypothesis makes any sense at all.

NOw read the rest of the story in verses 7-11.

Now go back and read whom god made it to:

Personal opinion (your own translation.)

So let me get this straight — Paul literally says:

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” — Romans 9:6

…and your response is:
“He’s just describing history. Don’t read too much into it.”

That’s not exegesis — that’s evasion.
Paul isn’t reciting trivia. He’s explaining why national Israel’s unbelief doesn’t mean God’s promises failed — because the true Israel has always been the remnant, not the bloodline.


Let’s walk through this — slowly, contextually, and biblically.

Romans 9:6 sets the thesis:

“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.”

This isn’t a commentary on saved ethnic Jews vs. unsaved ethnic Jews.
This is Paul redefining who actually counts as God’s covenant people — and he immediately backs that up with:

“Nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants.” — v.7
“It is not the children of the flesh… but the children of the promise.” — v.8

So who are the “children of the promise”?

Galatians 4:28 answers it directly:
“Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise.”

That’s Paul talking to the Church — not to national Israel.
He’s saying the Gentile believers are Isaac’s heirs — not just Jews.

That destroys your claim that Romans 9 is only about ethnic Jews.


Now let’s take your accusation:

“That’s your mystical reinterpretation… not the Word.”

False.
That’s Paul’s interpretation — and it’s confirmed repeatedly:
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“A Jew is one inwardly… circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek.” — Romans 10:12

You keep trying to staple genealogy onto grace — but Paul cut that thread permanently.

You said:

“God made promises to national Israel alone. Nowhere does it say He revoked them and gave them to the Church.”

You're half right — but tragically, you're blind to the whole Gospel.

God didn’t revoke His promises.
He fulfilled them — in Christ.
And now, only those in Christ inherit anything.

You know where it does say that?
2 Corinthians 1:20:

"All the promises of God find their Yes and Amen in Him.”

Not in national borders.
Not in flesh.
Not in Talmudic unbelief.
In Him.


Now your little challenge:
“Try replacing ‘Israel’ with ‘Church’ in Romans 9–11 and see if it makes sense.”

Wrong challenge.

Try this instead:
Replace “seed,” “heirs,” “children of God,” “elect,” and “covenant people” with “only ethnic Jews” — and watch Paul’s Gospel collapse.

If the Church isn’t in the covenant,
If Gentiles aren’t Abraham’s seed through Christ,
If Israel still means “flesh only” —
Then the Gospel is null, and salvation becomes a race-based inheritance.

Which is literally the heresy Paul is dismantling.


Final Word:

You believe God’s covenant flows through DNA.
I believe it flows through death and resurrection.

You’re clinging to the shadows.
I’m preaching the substance — Christ.

“The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come.” — 2 Corinthians 5:17
“There is one body, one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism…” — Ephesians 4:4–5
“He made both one… to create in Himself one new man.” — Ephesians 2:14–15

The New Covenant isn’t with the nation-state of unbelievers.
It’s with the body of Christ — the true Israel of God.

If you’re not in Christ,
You’re not in covenant.
And that’s not my opinion.
That’s the Gospel.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

And to whom was the Old made with and to whom did God say He was going to make the New with.

Jeremiah 31:31-37​

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King James Version​

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

The New Covenant is made with all 12 tribes (who is Judah to your reinterpreting)

Verse 32 shows the Old was broken
Verse 33 God says the New covenant is made with those who descended from teh old covenant.

The only way yo0u can call this a covenant only for the church is by privately interpreting the word.

REad verses 36&37 and remember this is for the nation of Israel.

Teh church is grafted into the vine of blessing, but Paul made it absolutely and totally clear that in the future, the enite people who arew ethnic Israel will be saved.

That is spread throughout the Old and reaffirmed in the new.

Yes — the New Covenant was promised to the house of Israel and Judah. Jeremiah 31 says it. I affirm that 100%.

But here's the massive theological bomb you're ignoring:

Jeremiah 31 was fulfilled — in Christ — and applied to the Church.

Not postponed. Not rescheduled. Not shoved to some “future national revival.”
Fulfilled. Period.

And the New Testament tells you exactly when and how:
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.” — Luke 22:20

Jesus didn’t say:

“This will apply to ethnic Israel someday.”

“This is for national revival in the Millennium.”

“This is on hold until after the rapture.”

He said: “This is the new covenant… poured out for you.”

Who’s you?

The apostles. The disciples. The foundation of the Church.


Now let’s go back to Jeremiah 31 — and read it through the lens of Hebrews 8.
“Behold, the days come… I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah…” (Jeremiah 31:31)

Paul quotes this verbatim in Hebrews 8:8–13. And what does he conclude?

“In that He says, ‘A new covenant,’ He has made the first obsolete.” (v.13)

Not future. Not conditional. Not delayed.
Obsolete. Fulfilled. Active now.

The New Covenant has already begun — and it’s not for some future “super Jew nation.” It’s for those who are in Christ now, regardless of race.

You said:

“God says the New Covenant is with those descended from the Old.”

Yes — and here’s what the New Testament says about who those people are:
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“We are the true circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God.” — Philippians 3:3
“They are not all Israel who are of Israel… but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” — Romans 9:6–8

This is not replacement theology.
This is fulfillment theology.

Christ didn’t replace Israel.
He fulfilled Israel.
He redefined the covenant people — not by blood, but by faith.

Let’s talk about Romans 11:

“The Church is grafted into the vine of blessing.”

Correct. And that vine is Christ — not a future nation-state.

“If they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.” — Romans 11:23

That’s the Gospel invitation — not a guarantee of ethnic mass conversion.

Paul is praying for individual Jews to come back through the same faith that saves Gentiles.
He’s not prophesying an end-times Zionist revival.

As for Jeremiah 31:36–37:

“If the ordinances depart… only then will I cast off Israel…”

Great. But read the whole context.

Who’s the Israel He refuses to cast off?

The remnant. The faithful. The Spirit-filled.
Not those who reject Christ and cling to the Law or the land.

God’s faithfulness doesn’t mean genealogical guarantees.

It means He fulfilled His promise in His Son, and He will not reject those in Him.


Your real problem?

You’re terrified that if God’s promises weren’t to ethnic Israel, then He might not keep His promises to you.

That’s the lie Scofieldism sold you — that God’s faithfulness is tied to race, not resurrection.

But Scripture says:
“The promises of God are Yes and Amen in Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20
“If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.” — 2 Corinthians 5:17
“He made both one… one new man… reconciled through the Cross.” — Ephesians 2:14–16

The New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah.
Christ is Israel fulfilled.
The Church is grafted in to that Israel — not beside it, not under it, but into it.
And only those in Christ — Jew or Gentile — are heirs of the promise.

The Old Covenant is dead.

The New has come.

And you either enter by faith in the Son, or you’re not in the covenant at all —
regardless of your bloodline, passport, or Scofield Study Bible footnotes.

 

[Dash RipRock]

St Bill Gates ?

The devil considers him to be a saint in the devil's satanic kingdom

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So let me get this straight — Paul literally says:

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” — Romans 9:6

…and your response is:
“He’s just describing history. Don’t read too much into it.”

That’s not exegesis — that’s evasion.
Paul isn’t reciting trivia. He’s explaining why national Israel’s unbelief doesn’t mean God’s promises failed — because the true Israel has always been the remnant, not the bloodline.

And if you read your response you would have your answer as to who the true Israel is!

The believing remnant of Jews who are not just circumcised in the flesh but in the heart. there has always been a remnant of true Israel and always will be. Jews who believe!

But the promises of God are still yea and amen and in the last days, god will save the entire living ethnic nation of Israel and grant the millennial kingdom to them and the OT Jews who were saved!

Ezekiel 20:33-38

King James Version

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8-9

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

or are you going to be consistent in your eisegesis and say this is for the church and not Israel?

But here's the massive theological bomb you're ignoring:

Jeremiah 31 was fulfilled — in Christ — and applied to the Church.

Not postponed. Not rescheduled. Not shoved to some “future national revival.”
Fulfilled. Period.

And the New Testament tells you exactly when and how:
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.” — Luke 22:20

Well nowhere does it say the covenant is fulfilled and nowhere does it show that all the house of Israel knows the Lord from the least to teh greatest and nowhere does it show that no man has to teach the house of Israel to know the Lord for all will know Him.

Your theological bomb is a dud. The church receives the spiritual benefit of salvation (by being grafted onto the vine) but the vine is th eplace of Israels blessings that still belong to them as Paul plainly and clearly said in Romans 9-11

The New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah.
Christ is Israel fulfilled.
The Church is grafted in to that Israel — not beside it, not under it, but into it.
And only those in Christ — Jew or Gentile — are heirs of the promise.

That is your own private interpretation which is forbidden by god in :

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The promise is not the New Covenant God made with Israel in Jer. 31 not one Gentile or church member is mentioned and nowhere does it say that the blessing the church has and receives is a replacement of Israel. We are blessed with Israel and partakers of their blessing- not taker overs!

Your real problem?

You’re terrified that if God’s promises weren’t to ethnic Israel, then He might not keep His promises to you.

That’s the lie Scofieldism sold you — that God’s faithfulness is tied to race, not resurrection.

YOu really should stop trying to tell me what I am terrified of. You suck at it royally and divinely!

And you either enter by faith in the Son, or you’re not in the covenant at all —
regardless of your bloodline, passport, or Scofield Study Bible footnotes.

Well as I have none of these, your prepubescent ad-hominem slander is moot and just shows you a failed debater.

Final Word:

You believe God’s covenant flows through DNA.
I believe it flows through death and resurrection.

You’re clinging to the shadows.
I’m preaching the substance — Christ.

“The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come.” — 2 Corinthians 5:17
“There is one body, one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism…” — Ephesians 4:4–5
“He made both one… to create in Himself one new man.” — Ephesians 2:14–15

The New Covenant isn’t with the nation-state of unbelievers.
It’s with the body of Christ — the true Israel of God.

If you’re not in Christ,
You’re not in covenant.
And that’s not my opinion.
That’s the Gospel.

If thi9s is your final word, please do us all a favor and make it so, Your rantings and playing god and making implications of who is saved or not is idolatry.

I am in christ and saved forever! I am a gentile grafted onto teh vine forever! If you do not like that cuz I disagree with you- take up knitting or watching grass grow, but leaqve debating to people who can keep it civil.

Have the last last word of yours. I am tired of having to read your juvenile ranting, slandering and false accusations against a brother in christ.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

And if you read your response you would have your answer as to who the true Israel is!

The believing remnant of Jews who are not just circumcised in the flesh but in the heart. there has always been a remnant of true Israel and always will be. Jews who believe!

But the promises of God are still yea and amen and in the last days, god will save the entire living ethnic nation of Israel and grant the millennial kingdom to them and the OT Jews who were saved!

Ezekiel 20:33-38​

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8-9​

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King James Version​

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

or are you going to be consistent in your eisegesis and say this is for the church and not Israel?

Well nowhere does it say the covenant is fulfilled and nowhere does it show that all the house of Israel knows the Lord from the least to teh greatest and nowhere does it show that no man has to teach the house of Israel to know the Lord for all will know Him.

Your theological bomb is a dud. The church receives the spiritual benefit of salvation (by being grafted onto the vine) but the vine is th eplace of Israels blessings that still belong to them as Paul plainly and clearly said in Romans 9-11

That is your own private interpretation which is forbidden by god in :

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The promise is not the New Covenant God made with Israel in Jer. 31 not one Gentile or church member is mentioned and nowhere does it say that the blessing the church has and receives is a replacement of Israel. We are blessed with Israel and partakers of their blessing- not taker overs!

YOu really should stop trying to tell me what I am terrified of. You suck at it royally and divinely!

Well as I have none of these, your prepubescent ad-hominem slander is moot and just shows you a failed debater.

If thi9s is your final word, please do us all a favor and make it so, Your rantings and playing god and making implications of who is saved or not is idolatry.

I am in christ and saved forever! I am a gentile grafted onto teh vine forever! If you do not like that cuz I disagree with you- take up knitting or watching grass grow, but leaqve debating to people who can keep it civil.

Have the last last word of yours. I am tired of having to read your juvenile ranting, slandering and false accusations against a brother in christ.

Ah yes — the classic Scofield two-step:

Step 1: “The true Israel is the believing remnant!”
Step 2: “But don’t worry — God will still save unbelieving national Israel later!”

You can’t have it both ways.

Paul explicitly says:

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” — Romans 9:6

He’s not just quoting history. He’s dismantling the lie that bloodline equals covenant.

A few verses later, he drops the hammer:

“It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.” — Romans 9:8

That means: faith, not flesh.
So no — I’m not “reinterpreting” the Bible by applying these promises to the Church.

Paul already did that.
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek... you are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29

It is utterly terrifying that so-called Christians in 2025 don’t even know what “Israel” means anymore. For 2,000 years the Church — the apostles, the martyrs, the early fathers — all understood:

Israel = The people of God = The Body of Christ = The Church.


That was orthodox.
That was unchallenged.
Until one man — Cyrus Ingerson Scofield — came along with a Rockefeller-sponsored study Bible and rewrote Christian doctrine with a set of Zionist footnotes.

He didn’t interpret the Bible. He hijacked it.

And somehow, misled Christians now believe:

Christ’s finished work wasn’t enough,

There’s a separate, ethnic covenant still in play,

And a secular, Christ-rejecting political state is the fulfillment of prophecy?

That’s not theology. That’s heresy wrapped in a flag.

“Peace I give to you, not as the world gives...” — Jesus (John 14:27)
Not as the UN gives. Not as the Rothschilds give. Not as Netanyahu gives.
The Gospel is not a geopolitical contract.

And yet, here we are — in an upside-down clown world where if you quote Paul, quote Jesus, and say “salvation is only through Christ” — you’re called antisemitic.

No. That doesn’t make you a hater. That makes you a Christian.

Now, about your misuse of Ezekiel and Zechariah:

You quote those verses like they promise unconditional salvation to ethnic Israel in the end times.

But read them. God says He will purge the rebels (Ezekiel 20:38).
Only a remnant survives — and that remnant is the refined, believing few who call on His name.

“They shall call on My name, and I will hear them.” — Zechariah 13:9
That’s not a mass ethnic pardon. That’s a furnace-tested remnant of faith.

Just like Paul said:
“So too, at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.” — Romans 11:5

You're not reading the prophets through the lens of Christ —
You're reading Christ through the lens of Scofield, Darby, and the military-industrial complex.

You’re clinging to a fantasy where there’s a Plan B for Israel:
One covenant for the Church… and another one for unbelieving Jews, who get saved somehow, someday, apart from Christ.

But here’s the truth:
There is ONE olive tree.
ONE covenant.
ONE Body.
And ONE name under heaven by which we must be saved — JESUS CHRIST. (Acts 4:12)

So no — I don’t need to twist Zechariah to fit the Church.
You need to stop twisting Paul to resurrect a covenant God already fulfilled in His Son.

If this generation doesn’t wake up, they will end up defending:

a false Israel,
a false covenant,
and a false Christ.
(Well, its pretty clear were already there now)

This isn’t just bad doctrine anymore.
It’s apostasy in disguise — and Christ is coming back to tear it down.

Repent. Come out of Scofield.

Come back to the Gospel.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

It’s one of the most disturbing ironies of our time.

They call themselves Evangelicals — meaning, “bearers of the Gospel” —
but when they open their mouths, they sound more like Zionist Rabbis waiting for a messiah who already came... and rejecting the One who did.

They preach:

A future temple without Christ.
A future sacrifice system without the Cross.
A future kingdom for ethnic Israel — while the true Bride of Christ gets sidelined.

That’s not Christianity. That’s Talmudic Dispensationalism wearing a cross as a costume.

They claim to follow Jesus —
but twist prophecy to glorify the very nation that crucified Him and still rejects Him.

They obsess over genealogy, land rights, temple ordinances —
while ignoring the New Covenant written in His blood.

They have more reverence for the political state of Israel
than for the Body of Christ — His Church.

“Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.” — 1 John 2:22

Let that sink in.

These “evangelicals” are out here exalting the very people John says are antichrist,
because they’ve bought into a Scofield lie that calls Christ-rejecters "God’s chosen".

They’re not preaching the Gospel anymore —
they’re preaching an ethnic gospel, a geopolitical gospel, a Zionist gospel —
and none of those can save.

Jesus said:
“My kingdom is not of this world.” — John 18:36

But Scofield’s disciples want to build a worldly kingdom for people who reject the King.

It’s absolute madness.
It’s delusion.
And it’s exactly the kind of deception Christ warned would come before His return.

 

[Earburner]

Well once again your error is in just looking at the English and not the original.

But we are as was prophesied in the OT, revealed in the New and made [possible by the blood of Jesus. And sorry Jesus is not the New Covenant. He is as Gods Word says- is the mediator of the New covenant.

Rank inanity and wild assuming on your part. You need to calm down and think and not rant out of your own personal anger and bias.

Paul knew that an Israelite is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and not just Jacob. Paul also knoew that in Abraham the gentiles would be blessed- not transformed into another Israel.

No that is Paul making a comparison between natural Israel and spiritual Israel which are those who trust Christ. Just like in Galatians when He said the true circumcision are the Jews circumcised in the heart (by Christ) and not just the physical act. Paul did that kind of comparison in many of his epistles to show that natural Israel needs salvation just like Gentiles.

Lines 1and 2 are 100% correct. Line 3 is 100% wrong. You still have failed to show anywhere that the church is the true Israel. We are the body of Christ, the church and the espoused of Jesus and are different than the OT Israeli saints with a different destiny in Jesus 1000 year kingdom on earth.

So who is Judah in your retranslating the Word of God. God never called teh church Israel.. Covenant ans Replacement theology has done that by reinterpreting the Bible

The scriptural truth:
Rom.3
[22] Even the righteousness of God which is by [the] faith of Jesus Christ
unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom.10
[12] For [the Gift of Salvation] there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

2Cor.5
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal.6
[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but [rather] a new creature.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It’s one of the most disturbing ironies of our time.

They call themselves Evangelicals — meaning, “bearers of the Gospel” —
but when they open their mouths, they sound more like Zionist Rabbis waiting for a messiah who already came... and rejecting the One who did.

They preach:

A future temple without Christ.
A future sacrifice system without the Cross.
A future kingdom for ethnic Israel — while the true Bride of Christ gets sidelined.

That’s not Christianity. That’s Talmudic Dispensationalism wearing a cross as a costume.

They claim to follow Jesus —
but twist prophecy to glorify the very nation that crucified Him and still rejects Him.

They obsess over genealogy, land rights, temple ordinances —
while ignoring the New Covenant written in His blood.

They have more reverence for the political state of Israel
than for the Body of Christ — His Church.

“Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.” — 1 John 2:22

Let that sink in.

These “evangelicals” are out here exalting the very people John says are antichrist,
because they’ve bought into a Scofield lie that calls Christ-rejecters "God’s chosen".

They’re not preaching the Gospel anymore —
they’re preaching an ethnic gospel, a geopolitical gospel, a Zionist gospel —
and none of those can save.

Jesus said:
“My kingdom is not of this world.” — John 18:36

But Scofield’s disciples want to build a worldly kingdom for people who reject the King.

It’s absolute madness.
It’s delusion.
And it’s exactly the kind of deception Christ warned would come before His return.

YOu truly are a sad sack! Twisitng my words and the Word of God will play you ill Ta ta for now!