Were angels ever people?

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Where did you learn Satan took 1/3 of the angels with him?
"And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born". Rev. 12:4
This chapter is a symbolic account of Satan, his plight to attack Jesus when he was born, a portrait of Israel (the woman), etc.;all displayed as signs in the heavens, a constellation ( Virgo, clothed in the sun, with themoon at her feet with a crown of stars (Leo) around her head. This specific constellation appeared when Jesus was born and also is a sign when he will return. During this time, Jupiter ( the king planet), is seen traveling across the sky towards this constellation, enters into the area that can be interpreted as the womb of Virgo, circles around the womb for 9 months, then exits between the legs. You can't make this stuff up.

Back to your question: The Stars that the Dragon sweeps from the heavens are angels. The Dragon, of course is Satan. Seven heads (kings) and ten horns ( nations) that will attack Israel when Jesus returns.

>> In Job 38:32 mazzaroth = constellations
Gen. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
 
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Read carefully, especially verse 21.


2 Peter 1:19-21

[19]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
[20]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[21]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy 3:14-17
[14]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
[15]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17]That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Hebrews 4:12
[12]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Psalm 119:105
[105]NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

John 1:1-5
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Note: Do you see the similarity here? God's Word is a light and a lamp. John chapter one says Jesus is the Word that is God and is the life which is "the light of men."

Proverbs 30:5-6
[5]Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
[6]Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


Matthew 24:35

[35]Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Isaiah 40:8
[8]The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.


John 12:48-49
[48]He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
[49]For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:48-49

[48]He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
[49]For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 17:17
[17]Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 6:63
[63]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


Colossians 3:16

[16]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

John 6:68

[68]Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
 
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You are right - in that it is not both - meaning that Jesus is the Word who was made flesh - although 'took on flesh' is a better way of putting it. Yet Jesus is not the Scriptures!!!

The Greek word for translated scriptures is graphe - and that is never translated as "Word" in your Bible!

However - The Scriptures were written by men who were inspired by God to write. Some of the words in the Bible are actually quotes from Jesus the Christ, who is the Word of God but the sacred writings were actually written by men! You want proof?


Jn 5:46,47 In the Bible we find a record of Jesus saying:

“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

SO YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!! EITHER THE SCRIPTURES ARE CORRECT AND PROVE THE MOSES DID THE WRITING, AND THAT IF YOU DO NOT EVEN BELIEVE WHAT MOSES WROTE THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST??


Isaiah also explained and prophesied about this problem!

Isaiah explained after listening to the Word of God (the Christ) himself what he heard. And that was about how if you don't listen, then the orderly line upon lines that you read alittle here and there will become the word of God to you, as opposed to actually hearing Him whose name is called the Word of God because like Isaiah, you too can get to know Him, the person, Jesus Christ. And that happens so that you will be fall backwards, be snared, and taken captive!!


Is 28:10 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,”
And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
So the word of the LORD to them will be,
“Order on order, order on order,
Line on line, line on line,
A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.


But as for this thread about angels. The angels that serve the Lord and not the only spirits around. There are those who when you stumble and fall away from actually listening to the Lord our God, and start leaning on your own understanding, will swoop in snare you, and you will be taken captive!! Therefore seek first the Kingdom of God - meaning the King of kings and those heavenly beings that serve Him. They will protect you from all that - but not if you go back to leaning on your own understandings!


Ps 91: 11-13 For you have made the LORD, my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place.
No evil will befall you,
Nor will any plague come near your tent.
For He will give His angels charge concerning you,
To guard you in all your ways.

Note that is does not say the Scriptures are you refuge!! There is One, a person, the Son of the Most High, that we can hear from, and He will send angels and charge even them concerning you - To guard you in all your ways!! That that One has a name - His name is called the Word of God, because His sheep hear His voice - not read His voice but hear His voice!!!

So who do you not understand this???? He is not the sacred writings!! He is the Lord, our Lord if we indeed hear His voice and do what He asks!! And then you will see the angels of heaven coming and going on what He says!!
If you don't have confidence the scriptures are the literal words from God, why quote them as if they are true?
 
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"And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born". Rev. 12:4
This chapter is a symbolic account of Satan, his plight to attack Jesus when he was born, a portrait of Israel (the woman), etc.;all displayed as signs in the heavens, a constellation ( Virgo, clothed in the sun, with themoon at her feet with a crown of stars (Leo) around her head. This specific constellation appeared when Jesus was born and also is a sign when he will return. During this time, Jupiter ( the king planet), is seen traveling across the sky towards this constellation, enters into the area that can be interpreted as the womb of Virgo, circles around the womb for 9 months, then exits between the legs. You can't make this stuff up.

Back to your question: The Stars that the Dragon sweeps from the heavens are angels. The Dragon, of course is Satan. Seven heads (kings) and ten horns ( nations) that will attack Israel when Jesus returns.

>> In Job 38:32 mazzaroth = constellations
Gen. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you. Behold, they are like stubble; the fire consumes them; they cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame (Isaiah 47:13-14).
 

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You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you. Behold, they are like stubble; the fire consumes them; they cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame (Isaiah 47:13-14).
Astrology is dark and a false practice. I am not talking about the sum, moon and starts determining my life or behavior or that there is power to influence behind these constellations.Astronomy is not a false practice. As Gen. 1:14 states they are for signs. The Jews used the Mazzaroth. The 12 twelve tribes are associated with 12 constellations.

 

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Astrology is dark and a false practice. I am not talking about the sum, moon and starts determining my life or behavior or that there is power to influence behind these constellations.Astronomy is not a false practice. As Gen. 1:14 states they are for signs. The Jews used the Mazzaroth. The 12 twelve tribes are associated with 12 constellations.

I don't see a difference between astrology and your interpretation of astronomy.
 

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If I were being tried for murder, and you were my defense attorney, would you ask me if I committed the murder?
Bob, there are a million and one questions one can ask, but why ask any of them if they have no bearing on one's thoughts or any other thing in our personal cognitive world?
 

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I like this thread and the honest questions @Bob Estey is asking. The nature of angels (and demons) is perhaps one of the most mystical and misunderstood aspects of modern Christianity. Many people speak about concepts like ‘spiritual warfare’ with considering what, or where the battlefield is. You are the soil upon which blood is spilled.

This should be a wonderful topic and extremely interesting! It could be a sharing of testimonies and what we find when dealing with the Kingdom of God. I like the comment "You are the soil upon which blood is spilled", which shows nice insight. So I will take a chance for those who should be seeking the Kingdom of God. Not that anyone, no matter how often they seek the Kingdom of God, can really grasp. Even Jesus didn't consider the depths of God something to be grasp. Yet we should have a basic understanding, and many many experiences - if indeed we first seeking the Kingdom of God.

First of all the Kingdom of God is not of this world! Jesus said that in the Bible for those preaching the Bible instead of the Kingdom of God. God is spirit (also explained in the Bible) so His Kingdom is spiritual. And of the angels it is written that He made them "winds". That does not mean they are air blowing by you but rather they seem to blow in and out of our lives! Therefore you pick angels up with your spiritual senses, and not you physical senses!!! Although, it can seem as though they are physical if their appearance is extremely clear.

For example; once I was laying down and suddenly I heard Christian songs being sung. Then I had apartments all around me, and I wondered which one of my neighbors were Christian, so I sat up to figure out what apartment it was coming from. Yet as I sat up the sound disappeared. So, I laid back down and again I heard it. So again, I sat up and again it disappeared. I did this several times, even going all around my apartment, until I finally realized the music was not sound waves! It was spiritual and the Lord had provided me the music to give me a nice nap, and insight.

Still, the Kingdom of God is to be asked for everyday (see the Lord's Prayer), and the Lord is not slow to answer like we think (as per the Bible and reality). Therefore, if I (or any Christian) asks and pays attention Today will not only be the day you hear from our Lord Jesus Christ but also the day we find that He sent us angels to help us! So they come and minister to us Today, right? Or did we not ask and pay attention, as the Bible explains?

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

The answer to the above verse and question should be (They sure are), yet it is a question and why is that?

The answer to why the verse is a question is found in the "who will inherit salvation" part! Not all say "Yes", but those who will inherit salvation would fully understand this! Ok - not all who will inherit salvation have been Christians very long, so we obviously have to take that into account - and then encourage others to actually seek the Kingdom of God and do that first thing!! And we should also have the advice of not being able to get into the Kingdom of God except via the King (The Lord our God Jesus Christ). So first you need to get to know Him and hear Him on those days called "Today", but if you know the King do you not know anything about His Kingdom? Like perhaps that His Kingdom is spiritual and not of this world. Thus angels are spirits (winds) and not flesh? Should we not even understand that God is spirit, that the Lord our God took on flesh, but was a spiritual being called the Word of God from the beginning?

Anyway, The Lord once sent me 40 angels and I was supposed to figure out their names. That was years ago and they are still often around me. He didn't take them away after He sent them to me, as far as I could tell. I never figured out all their names, but their names go with their personalities and what they do. Praise was the name of the angel who was in front of them when they showed up! Judah means praise and Judah was generally put-up front when the tribes went to war or moved around. And there is a connection between all that and why most Christian churches begin their services with Praise! It turns out the God has patterns that He uses - not that He has to send you 40 angels. Mostly you are contacted by one or two, but it can be a lot more!

To the right of Praise was Joy and to the left of Praise was Reason, though he told me His name was not exactly Reason but that would do. He like to minister according to the verse in Isaiah 1 where the Lord says come reason with me. Indeed, in a church service do you not soon find Joy when Praise arrives. And it does not take too long before someone is behind the podium and reasoning with you, right? And have we never gotten up some morning and a Chrisitan praise song is going in our head? Well my friends, if that happens first thing in the morning do you not understand that the Kingdom of God is present? And it should be happening sometimes, right?

Behind Praise I found an angel called Focus. He did not look impressive like Praise who was like a blond haired pretty boy, or like Joy (who appears like a huge powerful Viking like character with long blond hair and muscles well defined. Even reason look strong though more studious with his brown well place hair that made him look like a Clark Kent type of character. Focus on the other hand looks rather normal and nondescript, like a friend you know personally but don't think about much.

And when the angels ministered to you, you picked up a lot of interesting knowledge and quickly. For example Focus pointed out that when the who fell angels fell, they of course used their personalities and skills for evil (to fight against the work of God) So an angel of Focus which serves the Lord helps you focus on our Lord Jesus Christ and what He personally asks you to do, where as a fallen angel of Focus bring confusion and points you away from our Lord and doing what He wants you to do!! And all the angels had much to explain and help me with, but I don't have time here to explain all they ministered to me of the 20 plus years the Lord has sent them to minister to me.

It is enough to know to seek first the Kingdom of God, of which Jesus Christ is the King and the door to that Kingdom. Therefore we seek the Lord Jesus Christ and His Kingdom, and refute and reprove those who don't; telling them also to seek the door (Jesus Christ) to the Kingdom of God!!

Still - the unholly, pretending to know the Lord but don't, like to trample in the mud (the dirt and water of this earth) the things you tell them.

Still, I can tell them that the angels are "winds/ spirits. That they are not fleshy being (of course they are not even if for a moment you thought they were). Only Jesus came down out of heaven and took on flesh (which is also explained in the Bible). They are indeed ministering spirit sent by the Lord to those who will inherit salvation (and hopefully that is all who read this, but how many know they have been ministered to? We all should and even on that day called "Today". Still that is a question "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?" your answer will tend to tell you where you stand with the Lord or Lords and King of Kings!!

And if anyone wants to talk about this very interesting subject, I would love to fellowship with them, but if they are just those tampling about in the mud my message to you is to seek first the Kingdom of God!! That is what we preach:

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
 
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I don't think curiosity is a sin.

Only frowned upon by the fearful. Most often by those afraid of looking at anything outside of their comfort zone. Cats are safe around zealots. Curiosity used to be called inquiry and it used to be encouraged. Not anymore. Many people prefer to be spoon-fed pablum that needs no chewing and none more so than the theological crowd, who study little but pronounce much.
 
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Jesus understood the concept well. The spirit descended upon him and he was changed. The son of God (spirit) descended upon the son of man (flesh). If you want to think of that spirit as an angel-- I have no problem with that understanding. An angel is a messenger and a messenger is one who is sent with the word of the Father. The messenger (angel) descends from above bringing the word of God to man and as with all examples of this in scripture, we read things like-- 'and the word of God came to Jeremiah the prophet' and so on. It's the delivery of the word of God via messenger (angel) that makes one a prophet (spokesman) by announcing the word from God that he/she has received. It's not complicated except by virtue of our theological biases that prevent us from seeing and believing the obvious. We think-- it can't be this--- because that's not what we were taught. How difficult to admit, that we've been taught in error by those who never understood in the first place. Blind leading the blind, teaching and re-teaching things they themselves were taught in error. And they taught two friends, and they taught two friends, and so on..... and so on.... and so on............

Like Jacob in his famous ladder dream... Like Jesus taught--

“I tell all of you the solemn truth —you will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”

@WalterandDebbie

 
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Jesus understood the concept well. The spirit descended upon him and he was changed. The son of God (spirit) descended upon the son of man (flesh). If you want to think of that spirit as an angel-- I have no problem with that understanding. An angel is a messenger and a messenger is one who is sent with the word of the Father. The messenger (angel) descends from above bringing the word of God to man and as with all examples of this in scripture, we read things like-- 'and the word of God came to Jeremiah the prophet' and so on. It's the delivery of the word of God via messenger (angel) that makes one a prophet (spokesman) by announcing the word from God that he/she has received. It's not complicated except by virtue of our theological biases that prevent us from seeing and believing the obvious. We think-- it can't be this--- because that's not what we were taught. How difficult to admit, that we've been taught in error by those who never understood in the first place. Blind leading the blind, teaching and re-teaching things they themselves were taught in error. And they taught two friends, and they taught two friends, and so on..... and so on.... and so on............

Like Jacob in his famous ladder dream... Like Jesus taught--

“I tell all of you the solemn truth —you will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”

@WalterandDebbie


There is a problem with the understanding in the above post.

Jesus was not "changed" when the Spirit descended on Him, like we might be "changed" if we let the Lord our God Jesus Christ into our lives via His Holy Spirit - because Jesus Christ has always been the Word of God! Jesus Christ, as the Word of God was in the beginning with God and was always God the Son. The Scriptures tells us the He, the Word of God - the Christ who we call Jesus (God's salvation because He took on flesh and went to the cross as a sacrifice for our sins and forgave us to save us) - He has been around from the beginning, and been God the Son from the beginning, and He took on flesh!! Therefore He was not flesh who took on the Holy Spirit - as presented in the above post!! What the post fails to explain is that the Holy Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ!!

Rm 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

1 Peter 1:11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.

So our receiving the Holy Spirit means we receive the Spirit of Christ, thus Jesus Christ (His Holy Spirit/The Holy Spirit) is sent to us and we hear the Word of God (Jesus Christ) via His Holy Spirit!!

Now we should also understand the God (The Holy Spirit) is omni-present! He is always with us, but we don't always pay attention to Him. And there are times when He brings us words from God. So where we read things like the Spirit descended upon, it simply means the Holy Spirit was taking action. We also see that when the prophets wrote things like, "The word of God came to me saying." It didn't mean that the Holy Spirit had to travel to one physical location to another, because He is omni-present, it means He told actions to speak words to that person writing. To the person it might seem like the word of God suddenly came to them from somewhere, but the Kingdom of God was always in their midst.

We don't explain this too well, because our perspective is a physical/fleshy perspective as opposed to a spiritual or Kingdom of God perspective. There are some who do a better job of explaining this, or at least in trying to explain this. This is probably more of a dimensional issue, in that the Spiritual realm probably exists in a dimension/realm that co-exists with our physical realm we are accustomed to. I would recommend checking out some books by Huge Ross, a well know scientist who studies the cosmos (galaxies and the making of the universe).

It's not that we have some great understanding about the spiritual realm around us, but according to Jesus, when He spoke to Pilate, Jesus is the King but His kingdom is not of this "realm". And when John is taken "up" via the Holy Spirit he finds angel and an incredible number of angels (not people because he also finds a great multitude of people there also in the Kingdom of God), and of course He finds the One whose name is called "The Word of God" and that One is the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS) He is the One clothed in a robe dipped in blood. He is the first and the last, the beginning and the end. And He told on flesh just a couple of thousand years ago. That taking on flesh was a change to Him, but His Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit of God communing with Him was not a change at all!! Indeed the Holy Spirit had never left Him, but information between Him and His Father (and His Father has always had the plan for His Son) needed to be exchanged, and even information between God and people needed to be exchange - so perhaps an appearance of the Holy Spirit, who as spirit has not real appearance to us in the flesh, needed to be made. Thus the appearance like a dove descending to show us who the Lord Jesus Christ is!! He is the Word of God who has the Holy Spirit on Him.

We should know all this because we should know Him!! Jesus was not changed because His Holy Spirit talked to Him, but we will be changed if we let Him into our lives and start listening to Him (Jesus Christ) who sends His Holy Spirit to us. With the change we should become aware of the Kingdom of God and how we have access to a realm of dimension that has great power, because they serves the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

The Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ and or the angles that serve Him, might and will be sent to us but that whole Kingdom of God was always in our midst, so they don't come from another physical location. It's not like that. They just kind of show up and talk to you and you with them. Still, test the spirit because there is still a rebellion going on.
 
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There is a problem with the understanding in the above post.

Jesus was not "changed" when the Spirit descended on Him, like we might be "changed" if we let the Lord our God Jesus Christ into our lives via His Holy Spirit - because Jesus Christ has always been the Word of God! Jesus Christ, as the Word of God was in the beginning with God and was always God the Son. The Scriptures tells us the He, the Word of God - the Christ who we call Jesus (God's salvation because He took on flesh and went to the cross as a sacrifice for our sins and forgave us to save us) - He has been around from the beginning, and been God the Son from the beginning, and He took on flesh!! Therefore He was not flesh who took on the Holy Spirit - as presented in the above post!! What the post fails to explain is that the Holy Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ!!

Rm 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

1 Peter 1:11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.

So our receiving the Holy Spirit means we receive the Spirit of Christ, thus Jesus Christ (His Holy Spirit/The Holy Spirit) is sent to us and we hear the Word of God (Jesus Christ) via His Holy Spirit!!

Now we should also understand the God (The Holy Spirit) is omni-present! He is always with us, but we don't always pay attention to Him. And there are times when He brings us words from God. So where we read things like the Spirit descended upon, it simply means the Holy Spirit was taking action. We also see that when the prophets wrote things like, "The word of God came to me saying." It didn't mean that the Holy Spirit had to travel to one physical location to another, because He is omni-present, it means He told actions to speak words to that person writing. To the person it might seem like the word of God suddenly came to them from somewhere, but the Kingdom of God was always in their midst.

We don't explain this too well, because our perspective is a physical/fleshy perspective as opposed to a spiritual or Kingdom of God perspective. There are some who do a better job of explaining this, or at least in trying to explain this. This is probably more of a dimensional issue, in that the Spiritual realm probably exists in a dimension/realm that co-exists with our physical realm we are accustomed to. I would recommend checking out some books by Huge Ross, a well know scientist who studies the cosmos (galaxies and the making of the universe).

It's not that we have some great understanding about the spiritual realm around us, but according to Jesus, when He spoke to Pilate, Jesus is the King but His kingdom is not of this "realm". And when John is taken "up" via the Holy Spirit he finds angel and an incredible number of angels (not people because he also finds a great multitude of people there also in the Kingdom of God), and of course He finds the One whose name is called "The Word of God" and that One is the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS) He is the One clothed in a robe dipped in blood. He is the first and the last, the beginning and the end. And He told on flesh just a couple of thousand years ago. That taking on flesh was a change to Him, but His Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit of God communing with Him was not a change at all!! Indeed the Holy Spirit had never left Him, but information between Him and His Father (and His Father has always had the plan for His Son) needed to be exchanged, and even information between God and people needed to be exchange - so perhaps an appearance of the Holy Spirit, who as spirit has not real appearance to us in the flesh, needed to be made. Thus the appearance like a dove descending to show us who the Lord Jesus Christ is!! He is the Word of God who has the Holy Spirit on Him.

We should know all this because we should know Him!! Jesus was not changed because His Holy Spirit talked to Him, but we will be changed if we let Him into our lives and start listening to Him (Jesus Christ) who sends His Holy Spirit to us. With the change we should become aware of the Kingdom of God and how we have access to a realm of dimension that has great power, because they serves the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

The Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ and or the angles that serve Him, might and will be sent to us but that whole Kingdom of God was always in our midst, so they don't come from another physical location. It's not like that. They just kind of show up and talk to you and you with them. Still, test the spirit because there is still a rebellion going on.

I hear you. I just don't agree with you. Scripture says that the Holy Spirit descended on him. Your argument is with scripture, not me. Whether this event changed Jesus or not, I suppose could be up for debate because we know little or nothing of what kind of man he was or what he might have done with his life prior to the event. If not 'changed' in the moment, he was certainly different- afterwards. Different than others around him-- and who could be indwelled with the Spirit of God and not be changed? I'll leave that to sort through for yourself.

As for the rest of your post, it's all based on a single premise that I don't hold to. Jesus was a man. He was born a babe and raised as a boy who grew to be a man. It's what makes him like us and us like him. The Holy Spirit of God within him, that descended upon him --is what made him holy. Different. Set apart.
 

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Were angels ever people?​

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No. Angels were not people.
Angels ARE spirits.
People HAVE spirits.
And to note: Angels have the power to APPEAR to people AS a person.

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I wonder what the difference is between "being an angel" and "being like an angel."

Well, for one thing, all Angels are males.
They are never married.
They can travel from Heaven to the earth in the blink of an eye.
They help us, and we never see them do it.

Whereas Humans, many are literally female.
They are often married, and divorced.
They currently can't travel back to earth from Heaven, but, once they get their new Body then "space travel" will be "effortless".