BeyondET
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I put an ellipsis indicating there was more you said. Calm down.
You knew it would look like i said he never appeared to Matthias...
That isn't cool...
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I put an ellipsis indicating there was more you said. Calm down.
You knew it would look like i said he never appeared to Matthias...
Jesus did not appear to the 11 disciples after they had chosen Matthias. There is no scripture that supports that idea.
I think it's possible that was Jesus bother and not one of the disciples.
Why didn't just post my whole statement. It's because you had a motive not present my whole statement.If I wanted to give that impression I wouldn't have put an elipsis lol.
Why didn't just post my whole statement.
Jesus did not appear to the 11 disciples after they had chosen Matthias. There is no scripture that supports that idea.
I think it's possible that was Jesus bother and not one of the disciples.
I don't believe a word you say.I didn't need to, and I put an ellipsis to show it wasn't all you said.
I don't believe a word you say.
Jesus did not appear to the 11 disciples after they had chosen Matthias. There is no scripture that supports that idea.
I think it's possible that was Jesus bother and not one of the disciples.
All I can say is poor Joseph.
If they continued to have separate bedrooms after Jesus was born, that could be why Joseph was never mentioned after Jesus was 12.
He just might have moved on.
We born again and disciple by the Holy Bible, live by faith and not by sight. Faith comes from hearing and hearing the Word of GOD. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.I think so. Matthew 13:
The home in Hometown refers to the biological family.
i.e., familial son
i.e., the biological mother
biological half-brothers? Was Joseph named after his father?
biological half-sisters?
More evidence of biological/familial terms.
Mark 6:
More and more evidence of biological/familial terms.
Luke 2:
Presumably, after the firstborn, Mary would have her 2nd born, etc.
There is some archaeological evidence concerning James Ossuary:
I think it is more likely that Jesus had biological half-brothers.
That's why Joseph and Mary had hard time understanding Jesus and His calling. After the virgin birth there was no added calling for Mary, therefore they continued as normal Jewish husband and wife.
When did the belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity start?
Bible Question:
We just finished reading your excellent article on “How Many Brothers did Jesus Have?” When did this belief begin in the church since several of the reformers including Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and John Wesley all held to the perpetual virginity dogma?
Bible Answer:
The earliest evidence for the teaching that Mary was a perpetual virgin occurs in the writings of the early church father Jerome[1] who was born in A.D. 347 and died about A.D. 419. Prior to Jerome there is no evidence that the early church taught anything other than the scriptural record – that Jesus had siblings: flesh and blood brothers and sisters. Some have claimed that Origen was the first early father who wrote that Mary was a perpetual virgin, but a close examination of his statement reveals that is not true.
And I think it in harmony with reason that Jesus was the first-fruit among men of the purity which consists in chastity, and Mary among women; for it were not pious to ascribe to any other than to her the first-fruit of virginity.[2]
His statement was simply that Jesus’ mother was a virgin, and not that she was a perpetual virgin.
Other early church fathers taught that Mary was a perpetual virgin also. At first this might appear impressive and decisive, but a closer examination reveals that the early church writers who held this viewpoint wrote after A.D. 300 and not during the first, second, or even the third centuries. This is important since the Roman Catholic church began to emerge as an organization sometime around A.D. 300. This strongly implies that the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity started with the Roman Catholic Church.
So were the brothers in Matthew 13:55 Mary's sons?We born again and disciple by the Holy Bible, live by faith and not by sight. Faith comes from hearing and hearing the Word of GOD. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
So, we believe in Sola Scriptural, where firsthand eyewitnesses account, a community of kinsmen to one another and neighbors of the same faith. Even to Jesus' chosen Apostles who are Israelite, they have all clearly testified about the family of Jesus.
Mary's calling was to conceive and give birth to the Messiah, and bring him up from child, as any parent would do. But Jesus growing in wisdom and stature was entirely by Himself and the Heavenly FATHER.
That's why Joseph and Mary had hard time understanding Jesus and His calling. After the virgin birth there was no added calling for Mary, therefore they continued as normal Jewish husband and wife.
So, as GOD ordained marriage, also ordained having children, and that's holy, apart from how the children is brought up. Therefore, why not Joseph and Mary go on to have sons and daughters, moreover bringing them up under the Law of Moses?
It's ordained by GOD and is holy to GOD, and clean, as HE already given record of it even from Genesis. Now, the irony is with the doctrine for teaching the commandments of men. That perverted intend, to keep Mary virgin still and divine, in order to use her to intercede and mediate.
This is demonic, even behind every idol there is a demon, and offering done to idols are done to demons. Beware and not be deceived for the spirit of anti-Christ and their dogmas have evolved until today.
Having disciple thoroughly in the Holy Bible a true church should be able to distinguish between the 'spirit of truth' and the 'spirit of error', as witnesses.
The Apostle testified then, even though the anti-Christ have not appeared, but the spirit of anti-Christ is already here. According to Apostle Peter, these people are ignorant and unstable who twist the testament of the Apostles and so do other Scripture, to their own destruction.
It's not surprising from then and now it is still the same and are with us. Jesus disciple us by saying, "Your worst enemy will be in your own household."
So were the brothers in Matthew 13:55 Mary's sons?
No. They were either Joseph's sons from his previous marriage, or cousins. Mary had no other children. Here's an informative article on it: Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?So were the brothers in Matthew 13:55 Mary's sons?
See If you think Mary remained a virgin till she died, then bet on it and follow up there.No. They were either Joseph's sons from his previous marriage, or cousins. Mary had no other children. Here's an informative article on it: Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?
Poor , poor Joseph. 12 years is a very long time.No. They were either Joseph's sons from his previous marriage, or cousins. Mary had no other children. Here's an informative article on it: Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?
And it is translated
25And he did not know her sexually until she delivered her firstborn son, and she called his name Yeshua.
Are you really going to try and justify that as stated this means he did not know her sexually
ever?
Yup, for these are Israelite firsthand eyewitnesses, including the Apostles' account. Rather than later arose twisted scholars and theologians, even catholic church assumption, just to preserve Mary's virginity and include her a deity.So were the brothers in Matthew 13:55 Mary's sons?
You can't change the Gospel to mean what you want it to mean. You have to accept it for what the writer meant at the time, in his language and culture.Poor , poor Joseph. 12 years is a very long time.
I am certain I can match you article for article with your proof she stayed a virgin and mine saying she did not.....
But how do you counter the translation of the Peshetta?
For those who do not know... The Peshitta is a collection of Aramaic manuscripts of the Bible. Aramaic was the most common “shared language” among people of the Near East and Middle East for many centuries. This includes the years immediately before and after the earthly ministry of Jesus. For this reason, the Peshitta was an important early translation of the Bible, widely distributed and widely used.
And it is translated
25And he did not know her sexually until she delivered her firstborn son, and she called his name Yeshua.
Are you really going to try and justify that as stated this means he did not know her sexually
ever?
{Pelikan, ibid., v.22:214-15 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539)}Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that 'brothers' really mean 'cousins' here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers.