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Featured Wet Paint Principle (Freedom)

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by justbyfaith, Sep 9, 2018.

  1. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    PS I decided to take you off of ignore simply because it is easier to make sense of the threads in which you post. It doesn't mean that I won't generally avoid you though, because I believe that I am commanded to do so in Romans 16:17.
     
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    um, why I think it is so important? hmm

    so you mean the term "confession" is not in there anywhere? i take it?
    kinda hard to believe even, i know some ppl who ID as "Berean," they seem quite conscientious.

    Bereans don't confess? Bereans don't confess? - Google Search

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    Kris Vallotton: "We Shouldn't Confess Our Sins to Each Other ...
    yikes, huh?)
     
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    anyone else aware of this?
     
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    For the record, I, the one who penned Freedom, do not believe that we ought not to confess our sins, whether to the Lord or each other.

    My point is that the concept as far as I can tell is found in only two books in the Bible (1 John and James); and so if it is missing from the Tract/Booklet Freedom, it does not mean that the author of the Tract denies that confession of sin is a practice that should be honoured; but just that, like many books in the New Testament other than 1 John and James, it simply does not mention it because it is not the subject of the Tract.

    I believe that the Tract covers the doctrine in question in that it places an emphasis on the law of God, which is how we get the knowledge of sin. As we look into the law, the Lord will reveal to us our sins and we will be able to confess them.

    The tract in no way states that you ought to deny the veracity of 1 John or James, nor their teaching on confession of sin(s). It assumes that you are a Bible student and that you take the whole of scripture as being the counsel of God.

    Every subject is not covered in every Bible book. There is no mention of King David and God's covenant to him in Philippians, for example.

    So I would say it is rather nitpicking to condemn a perfectly good tract because it seems not to contain a specific doctrine that you hold dear.
     
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    well so you say, yes. As an aside.

    "We will" is...um, a funny phrase though, it serves double-duty here imo.
    And i can't Find "the Lord will reveal to us our sins" either fwiw
    ty for your thoughts on the matter though, interesting
     
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    Freedom 1:26a, Freedom 3:16-17, and a few other places in Freedom.
     
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    ok, ty?
     
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    yw?
     
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    ****bump****
     
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    Well here I am...I came over from you link in that other thread.

    I not have to admit that I did not read 1 , 2 or 3 last time around.
    I have an aversion to very long posts , especially when they are just statements , stand alone, without discussion points.

    But after you link from the other thread...I HAVE just read 1,2,3 and YES ..very good indeed.
    But I am a believer in 'times and seasons' in God's timing...so maybe I wouldn't have enjoyed or been as blessed by them last time that I was on this thread. :)

    We did have a guy with the name- TheHolyBookEnds. He swamped the site once with 30 posts back to back one night. But as a rule his first two posts could fill all of page 1 on his threads.
    He 'may' have had some good things to say...but his long, long, long posts put most of us off....he was just "preaching" at us , not to or with us. (And, and as Truth mentioned, the Admins changed the rules about long flooding posts after that. )

    I said all that to say...my bad for rejecting your 1,2,3 first time around...they are very good and for me.."Right on the mark."
    Todays timing is right for me...glad that you posted your link. :)

    Bless you...Helen
     
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    Thank you sister I appreciate that.
     
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    indeed. :) Agree...we need reminding from time to time!
     
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    Also, there are webcrawlers out there who may be new to the website...and putting this thread to the forefront as an evangelistic tool is forthcoming.
     
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    Therefore, I say, ****bump****
     
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    Bumping this up...putting it next to my commentary on Romans.
     
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    bumping next to the commentary again.
     
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    So while it is absolutely true that we cannot be justified or saved by our obedience to the law, as per Romans 3:20, the question we could ask is "can we be justified while in disobedience to the law" as per Romans 2:13?
     
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    The answer is yes...because we are not justified by obedience to the law...and therefore disobedience to the law is not necessarily going to condemn us. We are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law, concerning condemnation.

    Now if we are born again it will produce obedience; and therefore if we are disobedient it is a sign that we have not been born of God.

    However, our justification is not based in our obedience; and therefore we would not be condemned over disobedience...disobedience would only be a sign that we are condemned already for that we have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    If our sins are covered over by the blood of Christ, then we are not condemned by them, we are forgiven of them. Therefore we would not be condemned by disobedience.

    But if our sins are not covered over by the blood of Christ, then it is our sins that would condemn us for that we are still under the law; and therefore the law would condemn us over the sins that we have committed against it.

    But if we are forgiven, then we are not under the law, we are dead to it, we are delivered from it as concerning condemnation. Therefore disobedience would not condemn us for that we are forgiven.

    Now if we have a disobedient heart, then it is a sign that we are not born again; and if we are not born again, then we are not forgiven.

    But if someone is born again and therefore has the desire to obey, there is no condemnation for them over such things as "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

    There is grace for the sinner who comes to God in repentance and faith.

    There may not be an immediate deliverance over coming to Christ; but if the coming to Christ is genuine, deliverance is right around the corner.
     
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