What about Hell ?

[Taken]

OP ~ What about Hell?

Helen ~ Nancy ~ Frank

A place in the heart of the Earth, FOR LIVING Souls, departed out of their dead and buried body's.....

TO WAIT.

Wait for what?

For a length of 4,000 men were born, men died.....Some believed and their souls became SAVED....Some did not believe and their souls remained NOT SAVED.

Saved souls in the heart of the earth...
IN Comfort.
^ THEY waiting for Christ the Lord's Soul, to Come and Leave Hell. So THEIR living souls, could RETURN from whence they Came.......
Down from Heaven...out from God....thus Return to Heaven, to Be WITH God, as is Jesus' SOUL.

Waiting in Heaven, Waiting for their bodies to be Raised up in Glory, TO the Lord and their Judgement.
Waiting for their good works to be rewarded.
(Ie their Judgement)
Waiting for their Saved soul and Quickened spirit (born again), to be reunited with their glorious body.

Not Saved souls in the heart of the earth...
IN Torments.
^ THEY waiting for the JUDGE, to raise up their bodies......UP to the Lord in the clouds?
To Heaven? No.

THEY waiting for the JUDGE to Raise their Body's up out of their burial graves, TO bring those (unglorified bodies) TO Hell.
Their living souls reunited with their (unglorified) body's.
Their Body and Soul, to stand in Judgement, before the Judge.

(Notice....there was NO quickening, born again spirit, for these men)

Their Judgement, shall be Damnination.

After their Judgement (in Hell), follows, Sentencing, which is called a Second death.

The Evidence, is found in Gods Books, ie Records, that are Opened and Reveal the Evidence.

The Life "OF" the body (BLOOD) has already been departed....during physical bodily death.

The Life "OF" the living soul (Gods Breath) shall depart the soul, and the soul depart the Body.
And THAT LIFE (Gods Breath) is Gods, and retrurns to God.

The BODY, which God created, is now VOID of Life.
The SOUL, which God imparted Life, is now VOID of Life.
(The spirit, was never quickened, born again).

The SENTENCE of The Body and Soul, is carried out....

The Body and Soul "VOID OF LIFE" is thrown into the Lake of Fire and Forever Burns and Forever remains Separated from God AND men WHO are with God.

IS there eternal existance....TORMENT?

Yes. Precisely because the eternal existance of a BODY and SOUL separated from God IS torment.
(While Life WAS still IN their Living Soul...they (for awhile)...experienced LIFE, torments, agony, being separated from God.)

After their Sentence Commences, being thrown in the Lake of Fire.....Do they FEEL the Fire? No. That is the Mercy of God. Those Body's and Soul's HAVE NO LIFE in them.

While my posts are seemingly lengthy...
they are in brief.....to WHAT ABOUT HELL.

While OT men knew souls departed out of a dead body....further knowledge was hid from them....and later revealed by Jesus.

Hell is also a PLACE established for Fallen angels....and what applies to them in Hell, is different for them, than earthly men.

Souls of men Become SAVED, while Still in the Living Body's of men.

Men who do not RECEIVE a Saved Soul, while such man is Bodily Living....is a man whose body die IN his sins, and shall be raised to damnation....
His unglorified body raised to hell, where ...
His living soul shall WAIT, FOR:
The Judge,
The Evidence,
The Judgement,
The Sentence,
The Result of the Sentence.

None of that Judging, Evidence, Judgement, Sentence, of Result has yet Occurred.

And will not occurred....UNTIL ALL the hosts OF the earth, created in the Beginning...HAVE been revealed (born) upon the earth and physically those bodies, fulfill having Become DEAD bodies.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Helen]

To be accurate and know that you are, you have to know on a given point rather than simply believe. But God did not provide for us to live for Him by knowledge, but by faith. Standing for too many absolutes will almost certainly mean that we are walking in some measure in error.

As bbyrd009 said 'WORD'! I like that. :)

YES John...Agree......knowledge has a high place , elevated , and has become idolatry . In Christian circles it has become what we know rather than WHOM we know... "By Faith we understand..."
And yes, we do not see 'all truth' crystal clearly...that is why we need each other.
2 Tim "I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day."

If we stick with 'the Whom'...we will end up safe in reference to the the What's...they wont be perfect , so we hold them lightly while at the same time we hold on to Father with everything we have....He alone is our 'Safe Place'...not what we believe.

 

[Taken]

You seem to hold Jehovah's Witnesses views, or possibly Oneness Pentecostal views, so that's why I'm curious.

The problem with Labels....is stigmas.

So, JW's supposedly say Oneness.
So, Penecostal's supposedly say Oneness.

And Christian's called by other "LABELS" say, God is One.

Sounds petty to me, because MEN explain things differently, to arrive at the SAME...
ONE GOD.

Glory to God,
Taken

LABELS....

 

[CoreIssue]

Simply put, that Jesus Only/Oneness has a different god and a different Christ.

Modalism has never been accepted in Christianity. It cannot be found in the bible.

Hell is a very real place. A prison to hold the angels that rebelled and later the spirits of humans that refuse to come to God.

Demons were not thrown in Hell. They are not fallen angels.

Forget the denominational doctrines. Stick with the bible.

And remember, demons are deceptive. They can and do pretend to be angels, just as Satan pretends to be God.

 

[Dave L]

The problem with Labels....is stigmas.

So, JW's supposedly say Oneness.
So, Penecostal's supposedly say Oneness.

And Christian's called by other "LABELS" say, God is One.

Sounds petty to me, because MEN explain things differently, to arrive at the SAME...
ONE GOD.

Glory to God,
Taken

LABELS....

If truth sets people free, it's not petty.

 

[Dave L]

and we forgive you too, ok Dave, everyone gets the allure of being inside the camp

Why truth matters? “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)

 

[bbyrd009]

Why truth matters? “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)

those would be the ones outside the camp Dave, sorry

 

[Dave L]

those would be the ones outside the camp Dave, sorry

How big do you think the camp is? If only few?

 

[bbyrd009]

How big do you think the camp is? If only few?

ah well 12 tribes big i guess Dave, but for our purposes prolly any more than 3
i say this bc it seems to take 4 to make pillars or towers, the beast has 4 faces, etc

 

[Dave L]

ah well 12 tribes big i guess Dave, but for our purposes prolly any more than 3
i say this bc it seems to take 4 to make pillars or towers, the beast has 4 faces, etc

This takes place in the new heavens and earth. And we are few in number compared to the lost.

 

[amadeus]

But, we run the risk of worshiping a false Christ (idol) if after being exposed to the truth, we reject him as defined by scripture.

If are sincerely seeking, I don't believe there is a risk of being rejected by God unless we were believing foolishly that God would forgive again and again no matter what.

God knows our hearts. If we are looking away for moment, even sinning, God will not throw us to the dogs without an opportunity to make it right. Is that not what the Apostle Paul was saying in this verse?

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." I Cor 10:13

Is this not what also happened to King David when the prophet Nathan came to him with regard to the murder of Uria and the adultery with Bathsheba? David was guilty and knew it and knew also the punishment for either of these crimes according to the law given to Moses was death. God gave to the David the same opportunity to make it right that he does with us.

Give God the glory!

 

[Dave L]

If are sincerely seeking, I don't believe there is a risk of being rejected by God unless we were believing foolishly that God would forgive again and again no matter what.

God knows our hearts. If we are looking away for moment, even sinning, God will not throw us to the dogs without an opportunity to make it right. Is that not what the Apostle Paul was saying in this verse?

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." I Cor 10:13

Is this not what also happened to King David when the prophet Nathan came to him with regard to the murder of Uria and the adultery with Bathsheba? David was guilty and knew it and knew also the punishment for either of these crimes according to the law given to Moses was death. God gave to the David the same opportunity to make it right that he does with us.

Give God the glory!

God will never reject true believers. But he sends strong delusion to those who do not receive a love of the truth so they end up believing lies. 2 Thessalonians 2:11. That's my burden for others.

 

[Taken]

Simply put, that Jesus Only/Oneness has a different god and a different Christ.

I responded to a quip....nothing was said anything about "Jesus ONLY/Oneness".

Modalism has never been accepted in Christianity. It cannot be found in the bible.

Modalism....a man made term in HOW a man has decided God should be divided up and taught....doesn't much trip my trigger.

Scripture is pretty clear IMO, without mans input.

Hell is a very real place. A prison to hold the angels that rebelled and later the spirits of humans that refuse to come to God.

Agree, Hell is a real prepared place, as real as Heaven and Earth.

Demons were not thrown in Hell. They are not fallen angels.

Demons, I did not mention, or spoke of....are IMO spirits of fallen angels, devil spirits, that have entered men. Nothing in scripture reveals they have been, thrown in Hell.

So what are you calling Demons?

Forget the denominational doctrines. Stick with the bible.

Nothing different than what I have said.

And remember, demons are deceptive. They can and do pretend to be angels, just as Satan pretends to be God.

So, you say they can be deceptive....and pretend to be angels.....but didn't say WHAT you believe they ARE.

Thanks,
God Bless,
Taken

 

[CoreIssue]

I responded to a quip....nothing was said anything about "Jesus ONLY/Oneness".

I didn't quote you.

Modalism....a man made term in HOW a man has decided God should be divided up and taught....doesn't much trip my trigger.

Scripture is pretty clear IMO, without mans input.

A theological term such as Trinity and rapture.

We all use terms they cannot be found in the Bible.

Agree, Hell is a real prepared place, as real as Heaven and Earth.

Demons, I did not mention, or spoke of....are IMO spirits of fallen angels, devil spirits, that have entered men. Nothing in scripture reveals they have been, thrown in Hell.

Again, I did not quote you. But, nowhere in the bible are fallen angels and demons ever called the same thing work treated as the same thing.

In fact, fallen angels are chained in the Pit until judgment day, so they can not be the same thing.

So what are you calling Demons?

There's no shortcut in explaining. Read the first three topics here:
Commentaries by CoreIssue

Nothing different than what I have said.

So, you say they can be deceptive....and pretend to be angels.....but didn't say WHAT you believe they ARE.

Thanks,
God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

If truth sets people free, it's not petty.

Jesus is the Truth. No one said anything about Him or His word being petty.

Clearly I was speaking of earthy men.

You should have noticed the difference.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

CoreIssue,

I noticed, you didn't quote anyone, but simply made an open statement.

Like you state what and why you believe what you do, so do others.

Fallen angels, are spirits that no longer have their original heavenly estate, before Gods throne, which IS Heaven.

All spirits have the ability to take upon themselves bodies that LOOK LIKE earthy bodies.....and when they do, they can be see by earthly men.

Fallen angels, do all kinds of things to convince and influence an earthly man to reject God.

And some, without "taking upon themselves", an earthly body, can simply in their own spirit enter a man. They are those called Demons.
As any fallen angel, they search out the WEAK and Easily Influenced.

An example....in Scripture of Demon possession, and what Jesus did about it.

Mark 5:1 - 20

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

Jesus is the Truth. No one said anything about Him or His word being petty.

Clearly I was speaking of earthy men.

You should have noticed the difference.

Glory to God,
Taken

Only those who love truth love Christ, he is the way, the truth, and the life.

 

[bbyrd009]

This takes place in the new heavens and earth. And we are few in number compared to the lost.

who is this particular "we" you ref Dave, no offense but "we" can be anybody, ok

 

[Dave L]

who is this particular "we" you ref Dave, no offense but "we" can be anybody, ok

Believers = we = Israel.

 

[Taken]

Only those who love truth love Christ, he is the way, the truth, and the life.

Preaching to the choir Dave.

Glory to God,
Taken