What about Hell ?

[bbyrd009]

Believers = we = Israel.

only somewhere in there it gets lost in translation Dave, when "we" start singing When We All Get to Heaven, see

don't get me wrong that is a good "we" to be in, but my faith precludes me from including myself arbitrarily into this group, regardless of what my desires are dictating

 

[Dave L]

only somewhere in there it gets lost in translation Dave, when "we" start singing When We All Get to Heaven, see

don't get me wrong that is a good "we" to be in, but my faith precludes me from including myself arbitrarily into this group, regardless of what my desires are dictating

It's not in your power. All that the Father gave to Jesus will come to him. If you are his, you'll be there.

 

[Dave L]

Preaching to the choir Dave.

Glory to God,
Taken

It's a fine choir, all dancing to the same beat.

 

[bbyrd009]

It's not in your power. All that the Father gave to Jesus will come to him. If you are his, you'll be there.

Dave, you got the oracle so bad right now you don't even realize you're contradicting yourself in every other post ok
if it wasn't in "my" power then it goes without saying that i should not be making deterministic statements as if it were i guess

saying "I am saved" is prolly still one of the best ways to advertise how hopelessly lost you are,
next to stating whether someone else is or not imo

 

[Dave L]

Dave, you got the oracle so bad right now you don't even realize you're contradicting yourself in every other post ok
if it wasn't in "my" power then it goes without saying that i should not be making deterministic statements as if it were i guess

saying "I am saved" is prolly still one of the best ways to advertise how hopelessly lost you are,
next to stating whether someone else is or not imo

You are trying to use yourself as the standard for truth.

 

[bbyrd009]

It's a fine choir, all dancing to the same beat.

you might reflect on all the instances of "We's" in Scripture dancing to the same beat Dave,
the first one that comes to mind for me is "We want a king" ok

 

[bbyrd009]

You are trying to use yourself as the standard for truth.

so you say Dave, but wadr i am not the one going around broadcasting how saved i am with my mouth

 

[Dave L]

so you say Dave, but wadr i am not the one going around broadcasting how saved i am with my mouth

If you were saved, you would know it.

 

[Dave L]

you might reflect on all the instances of "We's" in Scripture dancing to the same beat Dave,
the first one that comes to mind for me is "We want a king" ok

:)

 

[bbyrd009]

If you were saved, you would know it.

so you say, Dave, wadr i'll let you know it, and i'll keep to the hope of salvation, ok
all these guys know they're saved too, see

 

[Dave L]

so you say, Dave, wadr i'll let you know it, and i'll keep to the hope of salvation, ok
all these guys know they're saved too, see
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Salvation is an experience that tells people they are saved. If you have not experienced it, you are not yet saved.

 

[bbyrd009]

Salvation is an experience that tells people they are saved. If you have not experienced it, you are not yet saved.

ok thanks Dave

fwiw i've done both, and Jimi's experience was more legit imo
way

 

[Dave L]

ok thanks Dave

fwiw i've done both, and Jimi's experience was more legit imo
way

If you experienced salvation, you would know it, and value it more than life itself.

 

[bbyrd009]

If you experienced salvation, you would know it, and value it more than life itself.

yes Dave, i remember, ok, i started with the knowledge that brings joy too bro
sing When We All Get to Heaven for as long as you want ok, i mean this earnestly
you will only ever be judged for your beliefs by other people, not by God i guess

 

[Dave L]

yes Dave, i remember, ok, i started with the knowledge that brings joy too bro
sing When We All Get to Heaven for as long as you want ok, i mean this earnestly
you will only ever be judged for your beliefs by other people, not by God i guess

3/4 of the "believers" wash out in the parable of the sower.

 

[bbyrd009]

3/4 of the "believers" wash out in the parable of the sower.

you sure sound awful sure there Dave, so i'll let you teach it ok

 

[Dave L]

you sure sound awful sure there Dave, so i'll let you teach it ok

“Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow: And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up. And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit. And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred. And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” (Mark 4:3–9) (KJV 1900)

 

[bbyrd009]

“Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow: And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up. And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit. And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred. And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” (Mark 4:3–9) (KJV 1900)

wherein no "3/4" is evident at all, see, and so now absent any other proof you would be summarily stoned to death,
and then we would go eat lunch, Dave. Ok?

 

[bbyrd009]

“Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow: And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up. And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit. And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred. And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” (Mark 4:3–9) (KJV 1900)

tbh Dave i am fairly convinced that you are a really good-hearted guy that God has decided to let in on the Awful Truth, fwiw
i see a cliff in your future, ok.
that's a good thing btw

 

[Helen]

God did not fail!! I agree with @bbyrd009

3/4 of the "believers" wash out in the parable of the sower.

Quote:-
Have you ever heard a sermon by that title? GOD FAILED!!
I doubt if you have. But I’m certain you have heard many a sermon which has been riddled with such implications.


Allow me to rephrase the question: Have you ever heard a sermon stating that if you don’t accept Jesus, you’ll burn forever in hell? Ah, I knew I’d touch a raw nerve. You have, haven’t you? If you heard that God is going to lose so much as one individual to the devil forever, then God is a failure.


If you have heard that the heathen (who have never had an opportunity to hear of Jesus) will be tormented forever for not believing in Him, then you’ve heard that God is a failure.


If you’ve heard that man’s puny will can withstand the omnipotent will of God, and that man’s will can paralyse God’s will, then you have heard that God is a failure.


If you’ve heard that the Adversary outsmarted God in the garden of Eden, if you’ve heard that God did not want Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then you’ve heard that God is a failure.


If you’ve ever heard anyone affirm that God will lose 95% of His created beings that He’s placed on planet earth, and will torment them forever, then you’ve clearly heard that God is a failure.


If the Good Sheperd is not willing that any should perish, and yet gets weary and gives up before He finds the last sheep that’s lost, then you know that God is a failure.


If no one can come to Jesus except the Father draws him, and if the Father - eventually - does not draw every single person, then God is a failure.


What is the response of your heart to the poised question: Is God a failure? Ah, my heart says, “Nay, a billion nays.” My heart has fallen in love with a God who does all things perfectly, and one day all will be made plain, and in the end He will become ‘All in All’ and for that day my heart does wait and meanwhile I rejoice and endure because I see Him, the invisible One.


By faith I see a Master Plan for the ages and beyond, and I know I am part of that plan, and for this I whisper, “Thank you, Jesus.” I sing a song to my Beloved, Hallelujah!


...............~ Eleanor Garrod ~......

And I say AMEN...God wins, He always intended to.
It was all planned before the fall.