What did Christ say about the Law?

[David in NJ]

The Bible begins and ends with the Tree of Life and the purpose of everything in between is about how have eternal life. Eternal life is the experience of knowing God and Jesus (John 17:3) and the purpose of God's law is to teach us how to have that experience through acting in accordance with His character. The Hebrew word "yada" refers to intimate relational knowledge gained through experience, such as in Genesis 4:1, Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave brith to Cain. The Mosaic Covenant is often described in terms of being a marriage between God and Israel, such as with God saying that He was husband to her (Jeremiah 31:31), so the purpose of the Mosaic and New Covenants are to yada God.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know (yada) God and refused to know Him because in 9:13, they had forsaken the Mosaic Law while in 9:24, those who know God know that He delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in all of the earth, so delighting in practicing those and other aspects of His character in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to know God, and the way know the Son, who is the exact image of God's character (Hebrews 1:3). In 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars, in 1 John 3:4-6, those who continue to practice sin in transgression of God's law have neither seen nor known Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them. So knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is eternal life.

A very beautiful and finely expressed Post - Thank You

Have you ever considered that the whole purpose of the Law was that it speaks of MESSIAH and His Suffering unto Death for our sins?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

What did Christ say about the Law?​

Never anything He did not say about Himself.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

What do the happy clappies say about God's Law?
Never anything they say about themselves.

 

[GracePeace]

Eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was what killed Adam in the first place; the Law, a species of Knowledge of Good and Evil, isn't called "the ministry of death" 2 Co 3:7 for nothing.

Romans 7
9I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

The Law/Knowledge of Good and Evil is supposedly a means to life, but it ends in death.

 

[Soyeong]

i just came in from a day of dangerous work - i seem to be caught in a twilight zone episode here.....

I'm sorry about the mix up, I was respond to a post by @GracePeace made and you responded as if you thought I had been responding to you rather than them.

A very beautiful and finely expressed Post - Thank You

Have you ever considered that the whole purpose of the Law was that it speaks of MESSIAH and His Suffering unto Death for our sins?

Thank you. Yes, everything in Scripture testifies about how to know the Messiah, which is eternal life, including the Mosaic Law. In Matthew 4:15-23, the Messiah began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Furthermore, the Messiah set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Messiah are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example and in what he accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20).

 

[Soyeong]

Eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was what killed Adam in the first place; the Law, a species of Knowledge of Good and Evil, isn't called "the ministry of death" 2 Co 3:7 for nothing.

Romans 7
9I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

The Law/Knowledge of Good and Evil is supposedly a means to life, but it ends in death.

Before Adam and Eve had eaten from either tree they were at a crossroads between mortality and eternal life, where eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil caused them to become mortal while eating from the Tree of Life would have caused them to have eternal life. In Deuteronomy 30:15-20, the Israelites were at an identical crossroads with a choice between life and death, life and a blessing for obedient to the Torah or death and curse for disobedience, so the Torah is connected with the Tree of Life, while the fact that it is a ministry of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason to refuse to submit to it.

Furthermore, in Deuteronomy 32:46-47, the Torah is our very life. In Proverbs 3:18, it is a Tree of Life for all who take old of it. In Proverbs 6:23, for the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal life for those who obey him. In Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life. In Romans 6:19-23, no longer presenting ourselves as slaves to lawlessness, impurity, and sin is contrasted with now presenting ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so obedience to the Torah is the content of God's gift of eternal life.

There are a number of ways where Eve's desire clouded her judgement (Genesis 3:6). Our desire clouds our judgement so that by ourselves we can't be sure if something is truly good or if we just think that it is good because we desire it, so this is where Proverbs 3:5-7 comes into play where we have a choice between death and life, between leaning on our own understanding of right and wrong by doing what is right in our own eyes or trusting in God with all of our heart to correctly divide between right and wrong by obeying what He has instructed in all of our ways and he will make our way straight. In other words, we need to renounce the damage that was done by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil by renouncing our own understanding of right and wrong and eat of the Tree of Life by trusting in all of our heart by obeying the Torah.

In Romans 7:12-13, Paul said that the Torah is good and that is is not that which is good that brought death to him.

 

[Hobie]

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded Him without departing from it, so all of the Law of Moses came from God and are based on His nature, not just ten of its commandments. All of the Law of Moses teaches us how to point to the Messiah, so we should live in a way that points towards him rather than a way that points away from him.


The phrase "Law and the Prophets" straightforwardly refers to everything in the Law and the Prophets, so all of the Law and the Prophets hang on the greatest two commandments, not to just ten of its commandments. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit idolatry, murder, adultery, or theft, but we also won't commit kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Law of Moses, so Jesus did not come to abolish the least part of it. Jesus did not mention his death anywhere in Matthew 5, but rather "to fulfill the law" means "to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so after Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law, he then proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it as it should be.

The first five of the Ten Commandments parallel the last five by being based on the same principles that are expressed differently in regard to our vertical relationships with our creators or our horizontal relationships with our neighbors, such as with the 2nd Commandment against idolatry being to our vertical relationship with our Creator what the 7th Commandment against adultery is to our horizontal relationships with our neighbor, so the 5th Commandment to honor our parents should be grouped with the first four Commandents.

Yes, the difference is one is written by the hand of the Creator, the other by a man. So there is a perfect Law direct from God, thus we find..

Psalm 19:7
The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

 

[GracePeace]

Yes, the difference is one is written by the hand of the Creator, the other by a man. So there is a perfect Law direct from God, thus we find..

Psalm 19:7
The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Lol I'm not sure you could've picked a worse verse!

God's Law "converts" the soul when you follow it as a tutor to Christ--and Paul says the Scriptures make you wise unto salvation through faith in Christ.

 

[Soyeong]

Yes, the difference is one is written by the hand of the Creator, the other by a man. So there is a perfect Law direct from God, thus we find..

Psalm 19:7
The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him to without departing from it, so what God directly told Moses to write down is not any less of the perfect Law of God than what God directly wrote. In Psalms 19:7, it uses the Hebrew word “Torah”, which refers to the Mosaic Law.

 

[Hobie]

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him to without departing from it, so what God directly told Moses to write down is not any less of the perfect Law of God than what God directly wrote. In Psalms 19:7, it uses the Hebrew word “Torah”, which refers to the Mosaic Law.

No, the Tablets had Gods Law and scripture confirms it...
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

 

[Soyeong]

No, the Tablets had Gods Law and scripture confirms it...
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

The Bible refers to the Law of Moses as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.

 

[GracePeace]

No, the Tablets had Gods Law and scripture confirms it...
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

2 Corinthians 3
2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
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7But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.
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18But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

So, clearly, Paul says the method of righteousness and sanctification in the New Covenant is beholding Christ--indeed, it was when Christ was revealed that we believed, and that was counted as righteousness, and John says "when we see Him" (at His return) "we will be as He is", so how will the method of sanctification differ in the meantime? It doesn't: knowing He Who is "the LORD Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6) is the method, NOT "the oldness of the letter" but "the newness of the Spirit".

 

[Davy]

Very sad especially with the completed scriptures and yet they still cannot SEE.

God blinded them so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles, according to Apostle Paul. So there was a good reason when we look at it from God's perspective, because Paul also showed in Rom.11 God will remove their blindness when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. That will be their time to hear with ears to hear, and see with eyes to see, and make their choice to believe or not believe. I believe the majority of Jews will then believe on Jesus, as the end of Zechariah 12 suggests. But for the many Jews which were crept in unawares that are originally from the Canaanite nations, I see few of those converting to Christ in the future. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[David in NJ]

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