What did Jesus die to save us from?

[Lambano]

If the correct answer is, "Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God.", then essentially...
Jesus died to save us from God.

Well, somebody's gotta do it.

 

[quietthinker]

Mmmm... Paul scolded those who asked that question.

Questioning God's perogative to choose one over another is out of bounds...

However in the scheme of things are you expecting Satan to be forgiven along with all those aligned with his abominous ways?

Don't you think God has the capacity or desire to forgive Satan?
I think Satan doesn't want to be forgiven. He is the mirror used which those aligned with him reflect.

When Jesus returns on his rescue mission he is depicted as a lamb In Revelation 6:15-17 and those not aligned with him see him as a threat. (a threat to what?....are lambs threatening and wrathful)
The people not aligned with Jesus would rather die than face a lamb. They have concluded that God is mad at them when in fact they exclude themselves.....just as Satan does.

Their perception of God is reversed to what he really is in their understanding. They have believed the lie long propagated by the Father of them.

 

[Brakelite]

I was raised evangelical, but find myself questioning much of what we were taught in church.
This gets me in trouble with those, like me, who were raised to NEVER question the answers the church fed us.
Questions, it seems are for unbelievers. A healthy skepticism is viewed as agnostic, or unbelief.
And unbelief, seen as a loss of salvation. (sigh)

Therefore, the question in this topic title seems pivotal. What did Jesus die to save us from?

If the correct answer is, "Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God.", then essentially...
Jesus died to save us from God. Could anything be more pointless than that?

Just to be clear, I understand that Jesus paid the death penalty for our sin.
And that this paves the way for a restored relationship with God.
Which seems to be the plan. As opposed to the common belief.
Which claims that God's plan is to incinerate the vast majority of humankind. Or worse.

What did Jesus die to save us from?

The angel told Joseph what Jesus was saving us from...sin. Matt.1:21
If one is to accept that as simply as it says, then one can confidently discard at least a couple of false theories, one of which you described above, that Jesus is determined to incinerate the vast majority of mankind. The other theory that is obliterated by that one clear statement from God's messenger is the belief by many that everyone will continue in sin until they die, or until the rapture, when they claim everyone is changed in character in order to be worthy of eternal life.
Save His people from their sins, covers the whole sin problem. God is not using half measures in His plan to eradicate evil from the universe. Not just the punishment due sin...(which is death, not eternal torment)...but the power of sin over the individual. Which means it is possible for man to overcome sin...in this life.

 

[St. SteVen]

Mmmm... Paul scolded those who asked that question.

Chapter and verse please. (not that it matters)

Questioning God's perogative to choose one over another is out of bounds...

Only if you believe that God is a cosmic tyrant.
That seems out of character to me.

However in the scheme of things are you expecting Satan to be forgiven along with all those aligned with his abominous ways?

Jesus taught us that it is godly behavior to love our enemies.
Does He hold himself to a lower standard?

My expectation for the end of all things is an absolute triumph of grace.
As opposed to a heaven where your loved ones are burning forever in the dungeon below.

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[St. SteVen]

The angel told Joseph what Jesus was saving us from...sin. Matt.1:21

Has that happened?
How is it that we are saved from sin?
It seems that sin is still very much a problem.

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
If the correct answer is, "Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God.", then essentially...
Jesus died to save us from God.

Well, somebody's gotta do it.

Otherwise we're toast. - LOL

Everyone seems to assume that on "judgement" day the correction will outweigh the rewards.

In fact, the correction may in itself be reward enough. Like a stay in hospital. Healing and restoration.

The love of God and the triumph of grace.

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[Lambano]

Has that happened?
How is it that we are saved from sin?
It seems that sin is still very much a problem.

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It depends on who you ask. While the accepted doctrine is that we will be free of sin and the passions of the flesh that cause it only when we receive our Resurrection bodies, there are a handful of folks on this forum who testify to have experienced what it is like to "walk in the Spirit" in the here-and-now for an extended but finite amount of time. To experience what it's like to walk in love for God and for Man, without fleshly impulses and self-centeredness. And then coming back to the realities and desires of this world is like a kick in the gut.

Is this what Jesus died to accomplish? (How does that work?) Although I can't claim to have experienced this myself, I find their testimonies intriguing. Others would prefer the Acts 2:13 response: "They are full of new wine".

 

[St. SteVen]

While the accepted doctrine is that we will be free of sin and the passions of the flesh that cause it only when we receive our Resurrection bodies, there are a handful of folks on this forum who testify to have experienced what it is like to "walk in the Spirit" in the here-and-now for an extended but finite amount of time.

I think we sin in ways we don't even realize. All the time.
Which doesn't mean that we should surrender to it.

Matthew 22:37-39 NIV
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a]
38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]

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[Carl Emerson]

Only if you believe that God is a cosmic tyrant.

Wrong - God is Holy and His Word stands - we bow down. All His ways are Justice and Truth.

 

[quietthinker]

Wrong - God is Holy and His Word stands - we bow down. All His ways are Justice and Truth.

When Jesus said ' I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends,...' John 15:15
To me it means he wants no bowing and scrapping .....or do you bow and scrape to your friends Carl?

 

[St. SteVen]

Wrong - God is Holy and His Word stands - we bow down. All His ways are Justice and Truth.

What become of love and mercy?

Again, Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should he do with His?

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[Brakelite]

Has that happened?
How is it that we are saved from sin?
It seems that sin is still very much a problem.

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So the angel was lying?

 

[St. SteVen]

So the angel was lying?

Sigh
More like, you misunderstood him.

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

How is it that we are saved from sin?
It seems that sin is still very much a problem.

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[Brakelite]

How is it that we are saved from sin?

Righteousness by faith. Righteousness as a gift to all those who recognise their need, and ask.

It seems that sin is still very much a problem.

And always will be until Jesus returns to take His children home, and leaves the unbelieving world in ruins until the new creation. A new start.

 

[Carl Emerson]

When Jesus said ' I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends,...' John 15:15
To me it means he wants no bowing and scrapping .....or do you bow and scrape to your friends Carl?

One doesn't reverence friends as one reverences God.

As Paul says God is both Kind and Severe. To understand how these two co-habit seems to be the problem you struggle with.

 

[Carl Emerson]

What become of love and mercy?

Again, Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should he do with His?

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You seem to insist that a 'both and' is an 'either or'

Paul speaks about both the kindness and severity of God.

His ways are past finding out and cannot be subject to the rational mind.

 

[Carl Emerson]

When Jesus said ' I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends,...' John 15:15
To me it means he wants no bowing and scrapping .....or do you bow and scrape to your friends Carl?

A Great Multitude from Every Nation​

9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

 

[quietthinker]

A Great Multitude from Every Nation​

9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

A gratitude which elicits a certain body language is a different kettle of fish than a body language which is imposed or expected.

 

[Carl Emerson]

A gratitude which elicits a certain body language is a different kettle of fish than a body language which is imposed or expected.

Agreed - it was you that suggested the latter.

 

[quietthinker]

Agreed - it was you that suggested the latter.

Yes, I was in error！