What did Jesus die to save us from?

[St. SteVen]

You seem to insist that a 'both and' is an 'either or'

Paul speaks about both the kindness and severity of God.

His ways are past finding out and cannot be subject to the rational mind.

I wouldn't trust a two-faced human either.

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[Carl Emerson]

I wouldn't trust a two-faced human either.

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He isn't a '2 faced human'.

 

[Brakelite]

How is it that we are saved from sin?

How would you like it to be?

 

[Brakelite]

How would you like it to be?

In other words, what do you want personally from the deal?

 

[St. SteVen]

He isn't a '2 faced human'.

Is He a two-faced God?

Either way, "two-faced" indicates someone that can't be trusted.
You never which face you will get. Always at risk of a back-stabbing.

To me, this seems completely out-of-character for God.

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
How is it that we are saved from sin?

How would you like it to be?
In other words, what do you want personally from the deal?

As it is. IMHO
Jesus paid the death penalty for the sin of all of humankind.
We weren't saved from sin. We were saved from the death penalty for sin.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Genesis 2:17 NIV
"... you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

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[Carl Emerson]

Is He a two-faced God?

Either way, "two-faced" indicates someone that can't be trusted.
You never which face you will get. Always at risk of a back-stabbing.

To me, this seems completely out-of-character for God.

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I agree I would never describe God that way - you coined the phrase.

Romans 9

God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory

 

[St. SteVen]

I agree I would never describe God that way - you coined the phrase.

The phrase "two-faced" is an observation about the common claim about God's "love and wrath".
Love is not wrath and wrath is not love. Thus the contradiction.

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should He do with His own?

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[Behold]

The phrase "two-faced" is an observation about the common claim about God's "love and wrath".
Love is not wrath and wrath is not love. Thus the contradiction.

The Cross of Christ : is God's Love.

And John 14:6 is God's Wrath. (God's Wrath is God's Righteous judgment against sin).