What did Jesus die to save us from?
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Carl Emerson
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Brakelite
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Brakelite
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Is He a two-faced God?
Either way, "two-faced" indicates someone that can't be trusted.
You never which face you will get. Always at risk of a back-stabbing.
To me, this seems completely out-of-character for God.
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St. SteVen said:
How is it that we are saved from sin?
Jesus paid the death penalty for the sin of all of humankind.
We weren't saved from sin. We were saved from the death penalty for sin.
1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Genesis 2:17 NIV
"... you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
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How is it that we are saved from sin?
As it is. IMHO
Jesus paid the death penalty for the sin of all of humankind.
We weren't saved from sin. We were saved from the death penalty for sin.
1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Genesis 2:17 NIV
"... you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
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Carl Emerson
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I agree I would never describe God that way - you coined the phrase.
Romans 9
God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory
The phrase "two-faced" is an observation about the common claim about God's "love and wrath".
Love is not wrath and wrath is not love. Thus the contradiction.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should He do with His own?
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Behold
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The Cross of Christ : is God's Love.
And John 14:6 is God's Wrath. (God's Wrath is God's Righteous judgment against sin).
quietthinker
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I s'pose God was really wrathful when he brought gifts of clothing to Adam and Eve in the garden!
quietthinker
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How is it we interpret God's wrath or his severity through an angry paradigm. It appears the definition of God's wrath in Roman 1:18 onwards, has escaped us?
Brakelite
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Yes, and somehow gloss over the phrase, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. Why is it that God is sooo patient?
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering (enduring with much patience) to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. ”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
The true character of God is not glorified, nor discovered in this constant conflict, instead, God becomes a laughing stock among unbelievers, and a god to be avoided rather than loved.
LittleTuneAlright
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The curse of the law...
Galatians 3:13
King James Version
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:Edit: I did not read all of the posts, so forgive me if someone has already mentioned it.
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Carl Emerson
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Please save me from posting 100 Scriptures referring to the Wrath of God...
What is the deal ??
Believe what we feel or believe what we read ?
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quietthinker
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yes, I will save you from posting a hundred scriptures but you can tell us what you deem God's wrath to consist of
That's an interesting thing to consider.
Why did God provide animal skins for a covering?
At the end of Genesis two, they were naked and unashamed.
They didn't need clothes to keep warm. (I assume)
It seems that God was caring for them after the inevitable happened. (no surprise)
He even had a plan for redemption when He spoke to Eve.
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Right. No need. Thanks.
I think the church got it wrong.
I think that translation bias and bad doctrine gave us the wrong idea about the wrath of God.
To what end?
Even human prisons are called correctional facilities. The intention is to reform the transgressor.
And to release them back into society as productive members.
What is the intention in the wrath of God as you understand it?
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St. SteVen said:
The phrase "two-faced" is an observation about the common claim about God's "love and wrath".
Love is not wrath and wrath is not love. Thus the contradiction.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should He do with His own?
Why? Are you inferring that He is a tyrant?
Should I cower in fear of God?
Will He squash me like an insect for saying the wrong thing?
I would hope that He has a higher regard for those created in His own image than that.
"What is the deal ??"
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The phrase "two-faced" is an observation about the common claim about God's "love and wrath".
Love is not wrath and wrath is not love. Thus the contradiction.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should He do with His own?
So, we are under a gag order in discussing God's wrath?
Why? Are you inferring that He is a tyrant?
Should I cower in fear of God?
Will He squash me like an insect for saying the wrong thing?
I would hope that He has a higher regard for those created in His own image than that.
"What is the deal ??"
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