What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

[Behold]

A created “Jesus” is a creature; “another Jesus,” .

Is God the Creator?
Are all things Created by God, = yes>
And are created "after its KIND"....

Jesus is "after GOD's Kind", created by the Holy Spirit.
"GOD.... manifested IN...THE...FLESH".

This is not hard to understand, but, when trained by a cult to not believe it, you have to put some effort into getting out of the wrong believing.

 

[Matthias]

Luke 1:35 The Lord was conceived in the womb of a virgin. His earthly body was created. He was not.

Trinitarianism, binitarianism and some forms of unitarianism.

Conception is the beginning of life.

 

[Matthias]

Is God the Creator?
Are all things Created by God, = yes>
And are created "after its KIND"....

Jesus is "after GOD's Kind", created by the Holy Spirit.
"GOD.... manifested IN...THE...FLESH".

This is not hard to understand, but, when trained by a cult to not believe it, you have to put some effort into getting out of the wrong believing.

I was trained by trinitarianism.

 

[Behold]

I’m saying that Jesus is a human person, a creature, miraculously created by God (his and mine) as described in the birth narratives.

Do you understand that if your body dies in the next 2 minute, you are still there?

The Body, is not the real you.
The Spirit is the real you, that exist inside that earth suit., Matthias.

When a Christ rejecter died 3 mins ago and went to hell like a BULLET, that is not their Body.
That is their spirit that is now in Hell, wide awake, and thinking... "OMG OMG OMG< i knew it was true... I knew that Jesus was real.... .OMG OMG< why didnt i BELIEVE" !!!

Answer: ? = Too late.

 

[Matthias]

Are you saying you were hatched?
Are you saying that the seed of your Father, planted in the womb of your mother is not the creation of your body?

Jesus was of the Seed of God, and God is A Spirit.
The Spiritual Seed of God, created Jesus the man.

God can create...

Adam from Dirt.
Womb-man, from Adam's Rib
You from your mother and your dad.
Jesus from God's seed and a virgin's womb.

God could create a human out of a dying Star if that was His desire.
""""With God all things are possible""....

God created Jesus.

 

[Matthias]

Do you understand that if your body dies in the next 2 minute, you are still there?

The Body, is not the real you.
The Spirit is the real you, that exist inside that earth suit., Matthias.

When a Christ rejecter died 3 mins ago and went to hell like a BULLET, that is not their Body.
That is their spirit that is now in Hell, wide awake, and thinking... "OMG OMG OMG< i knew it was true... I knew that Jesus was real.... .OMG OMG< why didnt i BELIEVE" !!!

Answer: ? = Too late.

I’m a resurrection man. You’re feeding me Greek philosophy.

 

[Behold]

I was trained by trinitarianism.

Ok, you can stop now.

God is not interested in a Denomination, or any "Theology", unless its Pauline.

God is totally interested in what you will Do with Jesus, by faith, before you die and meet Him.

Let go of anything but God and Christ and Faith, and then the Holy Spirit will lead you into what you need to Know.

Denominations are man made. and some are good, some are of the devil.

Christianity is GOD MADE, and that is not a religion or a denomination.

There are no denominations in Heaven.

 

[Behold]

God created Jesus.

By the Holy Spirit.
True.

 

[Matthias]

No one is punished before they are judged? When are the wicked judged?

 

[Behold]

I’m a resurrection man. You’re feeding me Greek philosophy.

Im "seated in heavenly places in Christ', right now.
So, that is not "greek" that is Salvation.

 

[Behold]

No one is punished before they are judged? When are the wicked judged?

The unbelievers, never born again, are ETERNALLY DAMNED while they are breathing. John 3:36
Hell then the Lake of Fire, is the end result of their CURRENT Damnation.

Believers have been REDEEMED from all that, by Christ's Sacrifice.
This is why all the born again meet GOD as FATHER, when they die, and not as eternal Judge.

 

[Matthias]

Ok, you can stop now.

God is not interested in a Denomination, or any "Theology", unless its Pauline.

God is totally interested in what you will Do with Jesus, by faith, before you die and meet Him.

Let go of anything but God and Christ and Faith, and then the Holy Spirit will lead you into what you need to Know.

Denominations are man made. and some are good, some are of the devil.

Christianity is GOD MADE, and that is not a religion or a denomination.

There are no denominations in Heaven.

God and Christ; not God and God.

That settles it for me. You can stop now too, if you’re so inclined.

 

[Matthias]

By the Holy Spirit.
True.

God created Jesus by the Holy Spirit. You say it is true. I say it is true.

Trinitarianism says it is false.

Our conversation is between two non-trinitarians.

 

[Matthias]

The unbelievers, never born again, are ETERNALLY DAMNED while they are breathing. John 3:36
Hell then the Lake of Fire, is the end result of their CURRENT Damnation.

Believers have been REDEEMED from all that, by Christ's Sacrifice.
This is why all the born again meet GOD as FATHER, when they die, and not as eternal Judge.

What need is there for the second resurrection described in Revelation?

 

[Matthias]

Im "seated in heavenly places in Christ', right now.
So, that is not "greek" that is Salvation.

The Greek philosophers taught that souls, all souls, are immortal.

Scripture teaches that all souls are mortal, with the possibility of becoming immortal. That is conditional immortality.

 

[Matthias]

God created Jesus.

There you have it @RLT63. If you don’t believe that God created Jesus then you believe in “another Jesus”.

Does it matter? I think it does; you’ve said that it doesn’t.

 

[Matthias]

There are no denominations in Heaven.

There are no human persons in heaven, with one exception.

The only human person in heaven right now is Jesus* - changed from mortal to immortal via resurrection from the dead.

Resurrection is the only pathway to life.

Until a deceased human person is resurrected from his or her grave, there is no life in that person. They are lifeless in the grave, awaiting resurrection to the life of the age to come, or awaiting resurrection to judgement and punishment.

* Note to the reader. Trinitarianism teaches us that Jesus is not a human person. Please be aware that my comment is not in line with historical orthodox trinitarianism.

 

[Mr E]

The only human person in heaven right now is Jesus* - changed from mortal to immortal via resurrection from the dead.

You really believe that Jesus is a human person in heaven right now? I hope you give that idea full (re)consideration. It confounds most things you get right about him.

 

[Behold]

God and Christ; not God and God.

That settles it for me. You can stop now too, if you’re so inclined.

Jesus is not going to stop being a God part of the '"OUR Image", in Genesis 1:26, even if you don't like it.

 

[Behold]

What need is there for the second resurrection described in Revelation?

Why is it in there then?
Misprint by the Holy Spirit or misunderstood by you?

Here is what you need to know.

Jesus said "i am THE Resurrection".
He's not wrong.