In context, to “ practice Lawlessness” is to reject the Gospel , because if you REST in the Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4 you are Saved—- it’s a Promise Of God and it is “ impossible” for God to break a Promise .....Only Unbelievers are under the Law and could therefore be “ Lawless” ....Believers are Dead to the Law.....They are Sinners that have been Saved by their Faith in Christ to save them....they can’t be “ Lawless” ....
What does it mean "there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus".....
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In context, to “ practice Lawlessness” is to reject the Gospel , because if you REST in the Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4 you are Saved—- it’s a Promise Of God and it is “ impossible” for God to break a Promise .....Only Unbelievers are under the Law and could therefore be “ Lawless” ....Believers are Dead to the Law.....They are Sinners that have been Saved by their Faith in Christ to save them....they can’t be “ Lawless” ....
In The Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matthew 25, though I don't understand it, it's an example of wise and foolish Christians, the foolish Christians will lose their salvation. So OSAS is out.
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To say "lawlessness is rejection of the Gospel" is a true, yet extremely loose definition. When it comes to defining lawlessness, one need go no further than 1 John 3:4 KJV.
Jim B
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Gospel Believer is mostly correct. He wrote that only unbelievers are under the Law...that believers are Dead to the Law...and that they are sinners that have been saved by their faith in Christ. [edited by me]. If you are in Christ then you have the Holy Spirit as your guide and don't need written instructions.
Romans 7:4-6, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."
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There are also 12-Dozen Scriptures That Help "Show The Meaning":
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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Precious friends:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
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robert derrick
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Oh, it certainly is a teaching of OSAS alright, in its' most fanatical form. The only truth to it, is that they really believe and practice it.
They're the first ones to declare what sinners they are, but just not condemned sinners.
They have declared the law of God written on paper, is dead letters since the death of Jesus.
Therefore only those doing that law, are dead to Christ.
Since the unrighteous works of the flesh are made known by Scripture on paper, then they do not apply to 'believers', that do them.
They are not accountable to any law of God written i dead letters of prophets and apostles, and so any work of the flesh condemned by that law are not sinning for them. Because they declare there is no law, then they declare they cannot transgress it and sin against God.
Pretty neat huh? It's like the one not paying taxes, because he rejects the law of taxation, and so telling the judge he has not right to convict him of anything, much less go to jail for it.
But wait, it gets worse:
Since the law and letters of Scripture are dead, and only kill the spirit by doing them, then only those doing His written word, are sinning against Him.
It's not the doers of the written word that are justified with Christ, but only the hearers that condemn doing it.
They believe they can keep the spirit of the law, without doing the letter, and even when disobeying it, so long as they do so by their own faith alone.
They only live by their own faith alone, and anyone obeying any dead letters and words of Scripture, are spiritually dead without faith.
It's what trusting in one's own faith alone, for one's own salvation and justification in life, leads to.
What they are actually saying is, that the letters of the law of Christ, as written by the prophets and apostles, are declared null and void to 'believers', because they are written.
By writing them as law, God has declared them free to do by 'believers only', and only those believing them to be His law, are condemned by not transgressing it.
A 'believer only' is someone that does not acknowledge any dead letters on any paper as applying to them, their salvation, and their justification forever. And that especially applies to Scriptures penned in the Bible.
If someone obeys the Bible, they are sinning against God by 'unbelief'.
It's fascinating what people can choose to believe for themselves, when they first believe all that matters is what they believe.
Delusional, but fascinating.
Of course, their lack of faith in their own doctrine, is proven by how many dead letters of Scripture they try to make agree with them.
I mean, since any Scripture of God is DOA, the moment the prophet and apostle writes it on paper, what's the point of looking to those dead words to justify oneself and one's own doctrine?
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Gospel Believer is mostly correct.
“ Mostly?”........well, I guess I can live with that....lol......
I hope everybody in the Forums has a joyous Christmas! I am confident that even my “ biggest” debating foes in here know “ the True Reason” for the Season...we can ALL agree on that ! God bless....
“ Mostly?”........well, I guess I can live with that....lol......
I hope everybody in the Forums has a joyous Christmas! I am confident that even my “ biggest” debating foes in here know “ the True Reason” for the Season...we can ALL agree on that ! God bless....
All of this stuff is so silly , I really don't where to start....The Written Word is precious to me.....I use it to not only get saved, I use it to guide my life.....
Some poorly taught and confused people see the entirety of Scripture through the Lens Of Law—- That was a good and wise thing to do if you were a Jew that lived under the Law....This side of the Cross , That obsolete Lens needs to be replace with the Lens Of Grace .....
Those that have been blessed and have learned how to “ Rightly Divide” The Word Of God sees the obvious—- we are no longer under Law .....we are under Grace.....sadly, people don’t understand it and they fear it and thereby Reject the ONLY thing that ever saved anybody that “ Got” Saved.....
I agree with Paul —- the Law is Great! But it is “ only “ Great when you know how to use it—- you don’t use it as a goal to live up to , to try to EARN your Salvation.....You use it to understand that you can’t keep it so you will “ close your mouth “ ( ‘Shut-Up’ about it, in other words) and Turn to the One that * DID” keep it so that He can put His Holy Spirit in you and you will “ FIND” yourself keeping those great and helpful laws ( Given to us for our own good— how could “ Anybody” not be in favor of keeping them?) and keeping them “Naturally” , without having to try “ nearly” as hard to do so on your own....
Once you get that “ Performance Burden” off of your shoulders, and you see that Faith in Christ Plus Nothing is the Key to Salvation as opposed to trying and failing to keep a set of Laws that even Peter admitted that “ neither he nor his fathers could keep”, you do a better job of “ Law-Keeping” by ACCIDENT than you ever did by working so hard and sweating it out.....Start “ Trusting” instead of “ Working” and see which method gets the best results....I have seen and lived both sides.....I KNOW what works .....how about you? It takes Faith to do that—- and Faith is what God is looking for...as they say, ya gotta “ Let go and let God”.......Try it—You’ll like it.....” The man that finds Life will find it by Trusting God”.....NOT by Keeping the Law, although the former will lead to a better job of doing the latter.....and NOT that that improvement is what gets or keeps you Saved....FAITH in Christ is what accomplishes That....
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“ Oil” is almost always a picture of the Holy Spirit in the Bible.....The Five Virgins who had no Oil in their Lamps and could not attend the Wedding are symbolic of anybody trying to make it into Heaven Without the Holy Spirit indwelling them—— they ain’t gettin’ in....Paul says that without that Holy Spirit, “ we are NONE of His”.......
Anybody out there want that Spirit? It’s easy to get.....just Ask . “ Ask and it shall be given to you”.....The only “ hitch” in this is that you must see the “NEED” to ask.....that was what The Law was meant to reveal....Did the Law perform its True Function in your life? That becomes the ultimate question.... “ Through The Law is the Knowledge Of Sin”.....Let the Law Do it’s intended purpose in your life allow it to lead you to Jesus......Then you will have the “ Oil” that you need .....the “ Oil” That Five Of The Virgins lacked...
My take is - Those who say "Lord, Lord" are the hypocrites, who use Jesus' name but don't know Jesus as one who is benevolent and merciful to sinners. They aren't calling out to Jesus because they don't know Jesus, they are just calling out a name. Might as well be calling out "Fred, Fred". They have changed the gospel into something that suits them and invented a fictitious Jesus.
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Who specifically are whom you are judging? How do you know who knows Jesus and who doesn't?
robert derrick
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The guide of your own faith alone into continued sinful works of the flesh, is no good, especially when justifying it as 'not being by the law'.
You need to change your own faith alone, for the faith of Jesus found only in Scripture.
Then He will guide you into doing righteousness at all times, and not just some of the time.
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
There is no arguing with those that argue for doing 'uncondemned' unrighteous works of the flesh, because they do so by their own faith alone, and not as by law.
Whether treated as law or not, those who do such unrighteous things, shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those trusting in their own faith alone, are those that say what they are doing has nothing to do with their faith.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
No. No one is saved by their own faith alone. They can believe they are all they wish, but actions speak louder than words.
robert derrick
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Those not condemned, are those not sinning to be condemned by.
Simple.
Adam and Eve were not condemned, until they ate.
They were not condemned, until they disobeyed God's commandment and ate.
Simple.
Adam and Eve were not condemned, until they ate.
They were not condemned, until they disobeyed God's commandment and ate.
And then God provided the Shed Blood Of an Innocent and combined That with their Faith in that Shed Blood and saw to it that they got Saved—- exactly the same thing that He did for All Of us Believers in the Shed Blood Of His Innocent Son....
In another version, it says "depart from Me, you who break God's law!" What do others say about this? @Phoneman777 @robert derrick @Gospel Believer @Jim B
And actually I'd like to say that I don't think it's possible for all sin to be diminished, some of it has to be by grace in faith in Christ Jesus, such as our thoughts or if someone yells at us, we might react wrong, but other than that, most or all other sins can be overcome by our works through faith in Christ Jesus. This is sounding confusing, isn't it? LOL. So far I just recalled a scripture that was in favor of what I have been arguing on the side of but now I forgot that scripture. Anyhow, I haven't read the bible for the second time so I think only when you've read the Word properly will the Holy Spirit speak to you the truth but so far I definitely know that OSAS is not right by the Parable of the Ten Virgins and I think the 5 Christians who were foolish were not "prepared" for Christ's return, that's why they lost their salvation so that good deeds/works in faith in Christ Jesus is needed.
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I've said many times that the "Two" don't replace the "Ten", they summarize the "Ten" because if you love God, you'll keep the first four, and if you love your neighbor, the last six. Therefore, "lawlessness" refers to, among other things, willfully and presumptuously breaking the Ten Commandments.
Moreover, those who argue this passage proves Once Saved Always Saved (because, they claim, only those Jesus never knew - and thus were never saved - will be told to "depart") have no argument at all:
The passage does not say "all in that day say unto Me, Lord Lord..." -- it says "many" in that day will say unto Me, Lord Lord..." and "many" means something totally different than "all". Therefore, while there will be "many" told to "depart" after they plead "Lord Lord", there will also be those right in there with them who will be told to "depart" that Jesus knew full well, like those who do as the Unmerciful Servant.
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