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The love of Christ and abiding through him its possible to have agape love. :)
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What does Jesus look like according to the Bible?
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The love of Christ and abiding through him its possible to have agape love. :)
Rockerduck
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Apparently He let me see the human part of Him, and I've heard many other accounts of people seeing Jesus too, and the Apostles saw the risen Jesus for 40 days and His ascension too. His Glorified side cannot be seen by human eyes.
Taken
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What does Jesus look like according to the Bible?
OP ^Isa 53:
[2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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What does Jesus look like according to the Bible?
OP ^ (deflected to RACE)The NOUN word RACE means;
The lineage of a family, or continued series of descendants from a parent who is called the stock. A race is the series of descendants indefinitely. Thus all mankind are called the race of Adam;
From natural Birth the Israelites are of the race of Abraham and Jacob.
The Israelites ARE the race of Adam.
The Gentiles ARE the race of Adam.
The Israelites ARE the race of Abraham.
The Israelites ARE the race of Jacob.
Gentiles can “BECOME” (by the Power of God) “MADE” Accounted (according To Gods accounting and records) Accepted AS the (adopted) child of ABRAHAM’s STOCK.
Racist means A man OF a specific STOCK, who HATES ALL others WHO ARE NOT, (simply BECAUSE) they are NOT of that mans STOCK.
HATE means a STRONG DISLIKE.
Hate (meaning) has been modernly TWISTED to mean the opposite of LOVE, which is False.
Love (means) to DO RIGHTFULLY what is BEST for another, regardless of the Consequences.
Love (meaning) has been modernly TWISTED to mean TO DO, “Rightfully OR Wrongfully”, (that you think, hope) will result IN a Favorable Consequence for “you AND the other”.
Ethnicity - is men dividing men BY a host of differences FROM geographical locations, skin color, hair texture, stature, prominate facial and body features, cultures of life styles, foods, language, political and religious beliefs, music, etc.
Racist is a fairly Modern (19th Century) SCIENTIFIC Term; SCIENTIFICALLY delving into, identifying the DIFFERENCES of ETHNICITIES.
Modernly Among the general populations of People at large, World Wide, RACIST keyed in on NOT LIKING ALL People who DID NOT HAVE YOUR OWN SKIN COLOR.
Modernly (for Decades time line), the TERM RACIST (of NOT LIKING “ALL” others with a skin color NOT the same as “YOUR” own) has EVOLVED to mean….NOT LIKING “SOME” men with a SKIN COLOR different than “your own”….and WITH a TWIST of CORRUPTION …. To USE that as a premise AS A “political standing AND LEGAL DEFENSE” in the political arena AND Legal courts system.
The BASICS of RACISM hinges ON …. CAUSE of the HATE.
Hate BECAUSE of different skin color IS RACISM.
Hate BECAUSE of different culture IS
RACISM.
Hate BECAUSE of different life style IS
RACISM.
BIBLICALLY…The PEOPLE at Large World Wide ARE ALL STOCK children of Adam.
The PEOPLE at Large Word WIDE WERE DIVIDED BY God, BY RACE DIVIDED BETWEEN STOCK offspring of ADAM (Called Hebrews and Tribes of Israel, Israelites and Jews)
AND STOCK offspring (Called Gentiles).
Nothing whatsoever IN SCRIPTURE, teaches ALL Hebrews, Israelites, Jews MUST LIKE ALL Hebrews, Israelites, Jews OR ALL Gentiles.
Nothing whatsoever IN SCRIPTURE, teaches ALL Gentiles MUST LIKE ALL Gentiles OR ALL Hebrews, Israelites, Jews.
Scriptural Teaching TEACHES via Gods WORD…the Lord God Himself HATES particular PEOPLE.
Scriptural Teaching TEACHES via Gods WORD…the Lord God Himself LOVES ALL of His Creations, which INCLUDES ALL PEOPLE.
Scriptural Teaching TEACHES via Gods WORD…Gods DESIRE is that ALL of mankind would LOVE the Lord God AND ALL other mankind.
Modern corruption and twisting of word meanings HAVE commonly MADE “LOVE and HATE” antonyms. That IS FALSE.
LOVE and HATE ARE NOT antonyms.
An individual CAN LOVE and HATE the SAME THING.
RIGHT and WRONG ARE antonyms.
An individual CAN NOT believe or DO Right and Wrong at the SAME time.
IF an individual “HATES” ALL others BECAUSE of their SKIN COLOR, Hair texture, geographical Location……LOL….
There is A roller-coaster of HATE people are experiencing on a daily basis AS PEOPLE daily TAN their skin, TATOO their skin, BLEACH their skin, Have BRUISED skin, curl and straighten and color their Hair and Travel about to other geographical Locations, Eat different foods, hear different music…believe different political and religious beliefs.
And so what? Modernly RACIST is a dirty word. However it was God Himself WHO established one RACE of the offspring of ADAM and DIVIDED the offspring of ADAM BETWEEN the Israelites and Gentiles AND OFFERED the GENTILES a “WAY” to become the Legal STOCK child of ABRAHAM and the Legal Offspring of the Lord God Himself.
And nothingwhatso ever, Scripturally concluded A Stock offspring Israelite of Abraham OR An Adopted offspring Gentile of Abraham, was FORBIDDEN to “HATE” anything.
Stop worrying ABOUT mans Scientific and modern Corrupt IDEAS of RACISM….
Learn Gods KNOWLEDGE of His Division of the STOCK of Abraham.
Acts 13
[26] Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
Learn Gods OFFERING to Gentiles to BECOME MADE (by, through, of the Power of God) a Gentile OFFSPRING OF Abraham.
Learn the UNDERSTANDING of Gods Word of Knowledge.
Luke 3:
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Gal 3:
[7] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Glory to God,
Taken
Actually this is a good question. What was Jesus's physical appearance like?
Gaunt or heavy set?
Olive complexion?
Chin and nose?
Cheeks?
Height?
Hair color?
What color eyes?
Eyebrows?
Beard?
Barrel chested or hunched?
All these things together create a physical picture of what we look at when we see a man.
And....if you carefully read the ENTIRE Old Testament AND you can understand themes and contextual clues....there is a description available for how a person could recognize the Messiah when He would come walking by....
And detailing these out here would be impossible...it's entire series of books of detailing how and why these details mattered in the whole Old Testament.
The funniest part that people don't really understand is the whole beard thing.
When I had to quarantine and stopped working and going to church I stopped shaving....where I always have had a mustache and grew a chin beard for my wife I went to a full beard for the pandemic (I looked like Santa)
Then I needed to lose the beard and shave cleanly for the bakery/coffeeshop partnership. (Long before so we could get property and equipment and etc)
And after the 40 minutes I spent scraping my face my wife said she couldn't look at me anymore because of the stranger in her house who was using my voice.
So yes, beards matter more than you think.
Gaunt or heavy set?
Olive complexion?
Chin and nose?
Cheeks?
Height?
Hair color?
What color eyes?
Eyebrows?
Beard?
Barrel chested or hunched?
All these things together create a physical picture of what we look at when we see a man.
And....if you carefully read the ENTIRE Old Testament AND you can understand themes and contextual clues....there is a description available for how a person could recognize the Messiah when He would come walking by....
And detailing these out here would be impossible...it's entire series of books of detailing how and why these details mattered in the whole Old Testament.
The funniest part that people don't really understand is the whole beard thing.
When I had to quarantine and stopped working and going to church I stopped shaving....where I always have had a mustache and grew a chin beard for my wife I went to a full beard for the pandemic (I looked like Santa)
Then I needed to lose the beard and shave cleanly for the bakery/coffeeshop partnership. (Long before so we could get property and equipment and etc)
And after the 40 minutes I spent scraping my face my wife said she couldn't look at me anymore because of the stranger in her house who was using my voice.
So yes, beards matter more than you think.
BarneyFife
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Davy
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If this is about Jesus's actual physical appearance, then John’s description of Him in Rev. 1:14-16 isn't helpful here, because he uses symbolic language. Maria Valtorta witnessed Jesus’s appearance and mannerisms on multiple occasions, at times through visions of scenes from His mortal life, or when He would appear to her. Her descriptions of Him are found in The Notebooks: 1944 (April 7th), The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II (August 4th, 1945), and The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV (August 15th, 1946).
"The Living Face of Jesus"
by the artist Lorenzo Ferri, based on the writings of Maria Valtorta
by the artist Lorenzo Ferri, based on the writings of Maria Valtorta
And, on January 2nd, 1944, Maria Valtorta took dictation from Jesus, writing down the following:
"It must be borne in mind that Galilee was not a vast world and that there were relatively few Galileans, who almost always married among themselves, and that bodily traits were thus repeated in two or three types which for centuries had been found over and over again on those faces. It would not be mistaken to say that in all the little towns, if one were to go back to the beginnings, two or three original family branches would be encountered which had married again and again among themselves, giving rise to a marked physical characteristic in the whole Galilean race.
It should thus cause no surprise that John [of Zebedee] displayed a physical resemblance to Me. He was a fair-haired Galilean—a particularity which was rarer than the case of the dark-haired Galilean, but which also existed. But his resemblance was even more marked as regards the spirit." (The Notebooks: 1944, January 2nd)
Rockerduck
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I've seen and talked to Jesus and that is not Jesus.If this is about Jesus's actual physical appearance, then John’s description of Him in Rev. 1:14-16 isn't helpful here, because he uses symbolic language. Maria Valtorta witnessed Jesus’s appearance and mannerisms on multiple occasions, at times through visions of scenes from His mortal life, or when He would appear to her. Her descriptions of Him are found in The Notebooks: 1944 (April 7th), The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II (August 4th, 1945), and The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV (August 15th, 1946).
"The Living Face of Jesus"
by the artist Lorenzo Ferri, based on the writings of Maria Valtorta
And, on January 2nd, 1944, Maria Valtorta took dictation from Jesus, writing down the following:
"It must be borne in mind that Galilee was not a vast world and that there were relatively few Galileans, who almost always married among themselves, and that bodily traits were thus repeated in two or three types which for centuries had been found over and over again on those faces. It would not be mistaken to say that in all the little towns, if one were to go back to the beginnings, two or three original family branches would be encountered which had married again and again among themselves, giving rise to a marked physical characteristic in the whole Galilean race.
It should thus cause no surprise that John [of Zebedee] displayed a physical resemblance to Me. He was a fair-haired Galilean—a particularity which was rarer than the case of the dark-haired Galilean, but which also existed. But his resemblance was even more marked as regards the spirit." (The Notebooks: 1944, January 2nd)
Wrong.....his whole head is WHITE....where did you get that black face from? Where does it say his head was black? I mean not that his race matters but if you want to get technical it says His Head was white
Rv 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
I highly recommend reading A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of Maria Valtorta's writings having a supernatural origin.
Jesus didn't yet bear on His body any of the wounds seen on the Shroud during His ministry, but it is a true image of Him.
Rockerduck
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Mary Valtorta is a false prophet and of the devil. The devil is a liar and the father of it.
Rockerduck
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Wrong. All the marks are on the Shroud of Turin. Including the crown of thorns.
Maria Valtorta wasn't a prophet, but her writings Authored by God remain inspired. The e-book I linked to proves this, but do with it what you will.
What do you mean I'm wrong? You're the one who said that Jesus looked like the Shroud of Turin image during His ministry. Again, Jesus didn't walk across Palestine for three years with a crown of thorns, a broken nose, and countless other wounds on His body. It wasn't until after His ministry was finished that He underwent torture and death, and that's why the Shroud of Turin is a true image of Him with those wounds post-ministry and post-death.
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Rockerduck
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I responded about the not showing any marks, specifically talking about the Shroud. Yes that's His image. I didn't see it on the Shroud either. Jesus showed me Himself. Then I looked at the Shroud.
You'll have to clean that up because I can't make sense of it. Now, what I addressed in my previous post (#36) is your assertion that I'm wrong about what I said. Again, you're the one who said that Jesus looked like the Shroud of Turin image during His ministry. But, Jesus didn't walk around Palestine for three years with a crown of thorns, a broken nose, and countless other wounds on His body. The Shroud of Turin is a true image of Him with those torture wounds post-ministry and post-death. That wasn't wrong of me to say. Understand now?
Rockerduck
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OK. the Shroud of Turin is the image of Jesus. The only image we have. Jesus was a towering figure at 6'2''. I saw the image Jesus showed me. I then looked at the Shroud. Jesus does not look like the shroud now though, and also still tall. I also believe Jesus came up to me and talked to me, in the flesh. At the time, I thought it was a tall angel and only later realized it was Jesus Himself. I don't assume anything about Jesus not stated in the bible, but I can tell personal testimony.
Ok what? "Ok, you're right" or "Ok, I apologize for asserting that you were wrong when you weren't"?
Your personal testimony and the Shroud of Turin image isn't in Scripture, so should that automatically mean your experience didn't happen, and that the Shroud isn't a true image of Jesus? And, why is your supposed personal experience of seeing and hearing Jesus true and Maria Valtorta's isn't?
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