LOL this is my out burst as you put it :lol: You hypocrite !!
lets look at some of your posts just in this thread:
The problem with jiggy and all others like him is that he is making a statement that cuts across 2000 years of Church teaching, of the intelligence and teaching of men who were intimately associated with the Greek and spoke it, and of men whose shoes he couldn't carry intellectually.
Is this anything other than the Truth? There is no one on this board, me especially, who could keep up with the giant intellects of the Early Fathers. Their writings are incredible. And they had to unravel some of the hardest and deepest problems of the Early Church.
It is also the Truth that what Protestantism teaches was not found in the Early Church. Why do you have a problem with that statement?
To anyone who really wishes to be honest with himself, it is clearly evident that the protection of the Holy Spirit from teaching doctrinal and moral error has only been found in the Catholic Church. One merely has to look at all the THOUSANDS of different Protestant interpretations of scripture, doctrines, ideas, and sometimes very bizarre practices.
Again, show me that this is anything other than a statement of Truth. There are THOUSANDS of denominations. This fact has been verified by the Encyclopedia of Christian Religions. And if you have studied them at all, many of them are way off the wall in what they teach and practice.
In other words, you don't have a cogent response to the Truth, like all Protestants.
I did not get a response to what I posted, did I? And this is what I get constantly from Protestants when I provide biblical documentatation with verses, the Greek, etc. I have been on a number of forums where this is the habit and the rule. So I have every right to say that the author has no response.
You didn't give me anything even closely resembling an answer, did you? Just a one liner off the cuff. You stand against 2000 years of men who taught different than you, you stand against the current consensus of intellectuals, and I am supposed to bow to your understanding just because you say so?
You know who else does that -- cults!
Again, I am making a statement. A one liner is no answer. And it is cultism which has no answer for those who provide Bible answers. I have driven away more than one set of JWs and Mormons who thought that because I am Catholic I am some kind of dope who doesn't know his Bible or his Faith. That is what cultists look for and that is why the Witness heresy and the Mormon heresy are both slam full of X Catholics who didn't know their Faith.
This is the problem with Protestantism and the idea that everyone has the right to "private interpretation." 2,000 years of Christians, of both Protestant and Catholic, have defined the Greek word "eklessia" to mean Church. Men who are fluent in Greek, who are smarter than both you and I combined, have agreed that this is the right translation.
Yet here you come, with some sort of agenda, and you decide that you know more than all others.
Miss Hepburn, you may believe what you wish, but on the Judgment Day, Jesus will remind you that you had the free will to examine BOTH SIDES of the controversies regarding His Church. It appears that you and several others here do not wish to look at the Church in anything other than a negative light.
One more statement of fact. I see it over and over and over again in Protestant apologetics. It is a refusal to look at the facts, the history, and the Bible, coupled with an attitude that no one else, even other Protestants, can be as smart as the person making the post and putting up doctrines that the Bible does not teach.
You seem to think putting down protestants,their bible and any one who is one is justified because you said it but if we/ I reply with baloney its an out burst :lol:
I state facts and that is "putting down Protestants??" Oh, grow up!!
You seem to conveniently forget the protestant movement came from the very same roots as you Catholics, they just didn't agree with the way your Popes leaders were perverting Gods words and the teaching of the Apostles you have no better credentials than we do ..except in your brainwashed mind ..
Present your proof that the Catholic Faith is "perverted" or "distorted" Christianity. And don't present some Fundamentalist with an agenda and a pack of lies. Go to the Bible, present your verses, and then be ready to answer my refutation. If you can't do that, you have no argument.
In fact, I'll start it for you. Jesus said that we must eat His Flesh and drink His Blood to have eternal life. Prove to me that He didn't mean it.
The Catholic church is among the worst offenders of perverting God /Christ his word his message ect who do you think embraced all these Pagan Holidays, Idol worship ect ect putting the church and men between the Father and his Children .... Just to name a few ...
The message of the Gospel is that Christ/God has won victory over the devil and that all that the devil has is being returned to God. Thus, pagan people are saved and brought to God. They who were completely given over to the service of the evil one have become God's greatest saints. The same is true for the holidays of paganism. They have been converted to real and true "Holy Days" for the service of God. The Church goes into the devil's kingdom, plunders it, and takes its people and holidays and makes them to serve God. That is victory over the devil.
The fact is its a 50/50 chance at best you are in the right , and frankly after over 20 plus years of studying Gods Word over men ..IMHO its you and your religion that chose the wrong path. So get over yourself you think your right only because men tell you are ..
My Faith is joined to 2000 years of men and women who believed the same thing. That is why it is called the universal (katholicos) faith. It is the same faith that the Apostles practiced and taught to the next generation of believers. All you have to do is read their writings to see this. I feel safe in the Catholic Faith because I have not left the apostolic teaching. Protestantism, on the other hand, is only 500 years old and is both heretical and unsupportable by a proper reading of scripture.
We can toss around these arguments all night if you wish. Or we can go on to discuss some scripture. The choice is yours really. I'm ready if you are.
