what I learned about oneness pentecostalism

[Brakelite]

For it pleased the Father that in Him (the Son) all the fullness (of God) should dwell,

This cannot apply to the incarnation. If Jesus had appeared in all the fullness of the Godhead, everyone in His presence would have died instantly, being overcome by the glory. You have seen what happened to men when confronted by angels... Daniel and John for example... Forced to their knees and struck numb and speechless, even to the point of worship. How much more the Son of God if at the incarnation, He had at that time all the fullness of the Godhead? Would anyone have survived to claim they knew Him?
To me, the Son was begotten in eternity, born of the Father before time and matter, through Whom the Father created all things. Not known by the name Jesus, some believing His pre-incarnation name was Michael. The Father, with agreement from His Son, (yes, the Father and Son were equal but like in all father/son relationships, the father has rank and the son submits to the father's authority.) So, equal except in rank. The Son was sent by the Father to redeem man. If He had not clothed His divinity with humanity, humbling Himself and laying aside the glory that rightly belonged to Him, we would never have survived.
Begotten from the dead, yes, had to be, He was really truly dead. There was no part of Him that still lived somewhere in the Trinity in heaven.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

You cannot justify your view on this, so you resort to ignorance and the ignore button. Just proves your really stuck in this religious ideology you have. So typical too.

Your claim to loving Paul is false, you do not agree with Paul calling the Son the Christ before His incarnation. Maybe you will calm down later and think about that.

Bye, impenitent heretic.

For anybody else who might have been following along, while preaching in Nazareth, Jesus said:

Luk 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Jesus is the Christ or the anointed one because God the Father anointed him during the time of his incarnation. It is that simple.

As to the heretic's repeated false claims that I do not believe the writings of the Apostle Paul, he is only further displaying his own ignorance while attempting to slander me. As I noted in a previous post here, I could rightly say that my father was born and raised in Cleveland, Ohio. However, and this is a BIG HOWEVER, he was NOT my father at that time. Years later, he met my mother, they married, and had children. When I was born, the father and son relationship between my father and me truly began. It is the same exact principle in Paul's writings. Seeing how we now know Jesus as the Christ or anointed one, Paul referred to him by that title regularly throughout his writings. This does not dismiss THE FACT that Jesus was not anointed with the Holy Ghost until the time of his incarnation (Acts 10:38).

 

[Scott Downey]

The preincarnate Christ is not heresy, it is standard Church Christian teaching.

Topical Bible: The Pre-Incarnate Christ

This who say it is a heresy, promoted by heretics, ought to look in the mirror.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

When did Jesus become the Messiah?

When did the human Jesus become "The Messiah" or "The Christ"? An examination of a much-misunderstood title.

wordexplain.com

 

[Scott Downey]

When did Jesus become the Messiah?

When did the human Jesus become "The Messiah" or "The Christ"? An examination of a much-misunderstood title.

wordexplain.com

Your issue remains, you deny that scripture also calls the Son the Christ in the wilderness wandering of the OT Jews.
The problem is your definition of 'Christ'

Christ is the Rock, our God.
1 Samuel 2:2
“No one is holy like the Lord, For there is none besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God.

1 Corinthians 10:4
Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

Romans 9:33
As it is written: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

1 Peter 2:8
7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who [a]are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
8 and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Son is the Christ, who is God. He was in the beginning with God.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Christ the Son, the Word of the Father, was made flesh
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Christ was the only begotten of the Father when made flesh as in brought into the world. They beheld Christ, begotten of God, when they saw Christ. Jesus said this too about Himself,
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John 14:8-9
Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

So Christ is God in the flesh.

Hebrews 1
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”


Hebrews 1:8
But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God (The Son), Your God (The Father), has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 1
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

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God saying 'Today', implies a change, a beginning.
And the Son has no beginning and no ending and no genealogy.
The only thing we see is God gave Christ a body when incarnated, and we can see touch and feel that.
There is a change then, when God brought the Son into the world, this was a beginning of something new.

Hebrews 10
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

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Hebrews 7
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For [d]He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”

“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest [f]forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’

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And the Son who has been perfected forever

Hebrews 7
22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, [i]harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.