Sure our works are not the source.I have been greatly concerned about this thread. I approached it with prayer. There are foundational truths that comprise Christianity. These truths have been agreed upon by every early church father and every great man of God since the reformation. The subject of redemption and how it takes place is FOREMOST.
I am just going to post some verses that cannot be held as a prisoners of context. In these I put my hope. They make it VERY clear that Christ came to die for our sins and we are washed clean from our sins by His blood . You cannot become more holy than that. It is also very clear that such redemption is by faith and that the works that we shall be judged by follow salvation and are not the source. Our sin was placed on Christ at the cross and we were made HOLY.
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 2:13
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
1 Pe 1:18-19
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1 Jn 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Rv 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
He came to die in our place:
Isa 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:10-11
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Mk 10:45
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Ro 5:12
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Ro 5:8-10
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
2 Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Gal 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (This is why he had a crown of thorns)
Eph 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Heb 9:28
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
How do we enter into this redemption?
Here is Paul's gospel. It is very simple and doesn't require a 140 IQ to understand:
1 Co 15:1-4
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that 1) Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 2)And that he was buried, 3)and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
How does salvation take place? Not by works...works are a result of salvation and not the source
Ro 10:9-11
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Ac 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Ro 8:24-25
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Eph 2:5-6
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2 Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
No room for a second class Christian. Those that are washed in His blood are heirs with Christ.
Tit 3:5-7
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Ro 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Faith is the source.
Is obedience of any importance?
Or do we just obey because we wish to?
Works, as mentioned by Paul, are works of the Law.
Works of righteousness are works without the aid of the Holy Spirit
or
works that we think will get us to heaven...works without faith.
Faith without works is a dead faith.
Works without faith are dead works.
You say you know the ECFs.
Did they teach good works?
Did they teach OSAS?
I think we Christians need to begin to be careful about how we
represent our RELIGION.
Christianity is by faith...
but it is also a religion with doctrine, rules, and a history.