WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?
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You are always free to assume things you don't know, or to disparage others, but that doesn't mean you have the first clue of what you are talking about when you say such things. Mostly you just reveal your heart towards others, and your desire to put them down while you step yourself up.
And you know what? That's just not interesting.
Maybe it goes along with the sidestepping.
Much love!
MAYBE because I don't believe dispensatinalism is biblical?
Perhaps YOU should be replying to my questions instead?
Take it as you wish marks.
YOU brought up Adam.
I brought up the signs of the two Covenants.
THEN you start with soteriology.
Which means YOU KNOW NOTHING about Covenants.
This is a fact.
Not a disparagement.
Dinner time here in Italy.
Dispensationalism is a new teaching that is not found in the bible.
Well, to be clear, I get my understanding from the Bible itself.
Baptidzo means to dip or immerse, and is subject to it's context.
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
This is not about what water will do for you. It can get you wet, but being baptized into Jesus Christ is to be baptized into His death, and we actually die with Him, or do you not believe this? Just some "silly idea" to you?
Not to me!
amigo de christo
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many always twist such words and do build their interpreation of , A lie , around that word .
I seen more kingdom of GOD verses Kingdom of heaven
or body of christ verses bride of christ
AS IF THEY ARE NOT ONE AND THE SAME .
People run with all s orts of things my f riend , CEPT the Truth .
Like i said , have said and been saying all along
BIBLE TIME . it aint nigh as difficult to learn to love and to ENJOY that HOLY book
as the twisters of its doctrine have tried to make it OUT TO Be . IF YA KNOW what i mean by that .
It's your false assumption given to disparage. And it's just not interesting.
Much love!
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[Jhn 3:14-15 KJV] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life..............I dont see the cross here. Jesus will be lifted up to be believed on for eternal life. What had to be believed, the cross? No, they had to believe on his name........[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Here is the reason I asked You discount dispensationalism on the basis of it being a new teaching, but it appears you allow new teaching to form the church you believe in.
Is this statement correct about your church? It was founded in 1895?...................
October 1895
The Catholic Nazarene Assembly of God was founded in October 1895 in Los Angeles, California, by Dr. Phineas F. Bresee and Dr. Joseph Pomeroy Widney. This denomination is part of the broader holiness movement and emphasizes the sanctified life of Jesus Christ. The Church of the Nazarene was officially established in 1908 through a merger of various holiness churches.
See my point? I am not disparaging your church, only saying when a teaching originated is not a good means to determine it's validity
YOU stated that there was no reference to the cross until after Jesus died,,
thus creating a new dispensation.
I think we need to stop discussing this.
You're being very silly Doug.
The Nazarene church does not teach anything NEW.
Take, for example,
The JWs they teach new ideas.
The LDS they teach new ideas.
John Darby....he taught new ideas.
The IDEA has to be new Doug.
NOT the church.
ANY teaching that was not taught in the early church...
will not be orthodox Christian teaching and will most probably be heretical.
(the true meaning of heretical).
marks,
IF you don't know what the sign of the New Covenant is,,,
and IN REALATION to why I believe dispensatinalism is incorrect....
and
You're not even willing to look it up....
Then I'd say that I am NOT assuming anything...
which I usually do not.
No, you are assuming. All the way through. You know very little about me, and what I've study, and the things I know. You are assuming, and declaring as fact things that are not true, to either make yourself feel better, or to marginalize what I'm saying, or for whatever reason it may be, it doesn't matter the reason.
1 John 4:13 KJV
Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1 John 3:24 KJV
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Romans 8:15-16 KJV
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Ephesians 4:30 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
This is how we know.
Much love!
Paul doesn't teach we have to be baptized in water to receive the Spirit..................... [Eph 1:13 KJV] 13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,....we get the Spirit upon belief
GRACE ambassador
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Precious friend, @Fred J, Peace to you also - appreciate your trying to kindly and humbly help. This is a
refreshing encouragement and Very Welcome Change after many years of false accusations and slander
we have had to endure for The Lord Jesus Christ, and His Word Of Truth.
The problem of decision still remains as shown in I have decided to follow Jesus?, so I will bring them
here:
A) Do I follow Him, and the doctrine He Spoke as The:
Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:
1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luke 13:3,5, 24:47; Mar 1:4)
+2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luke 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(James 1:1, 2:17,26)
+6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
+
8) pray as a watchman, for Great Tribulation, man of sin, son of perdition, and
signs of the end times, and The Prophesied Second Coming?
Do I follow His earthly prophecy program of covenants and law?
( OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev ) or?:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online)
B) Do I follow The LORD Jesus Christ As The Risen And Glorified "Head Of His Church" and:
His Heavenly Grace Program, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery?
(His Doctrine in Romans - Philemon!)?:
1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!")
(Acts 20:21)
+2) Have ►► (With Grace Through) faith ◄◄ toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21),
and trust/believe The Gospel Of The Grace Of God: His Death, Burial, And Resurrection,
+3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit
Into The One (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies
+4) Acknowledge Christ Is Living in me, so I allow Him to, through me:
+
5) To Fulfil:
All Of His Law, In One Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)
+6) Study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided to show myself "Approved Unto God"
(2 Timothy 2:15), and then obey all the rest of these Bible study Rules
+7) Work with my hands to "give to them in need," and The LORD "shall supply all my need"
+
8) Be a humble prayer warrior and ►► hope ◄◄ :
"...looking, watching, and Patiently Waiting For...": The LORD Jesus Christ!
+9) Put on the Full armour of God and stand, in the spiritual warfare I wrestle with
+
10)
Eph 6:19 "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I
may open my mouth boldly, to make known The Mystery Of The Gospel,"
+11)
Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of The Mystery, which from the
beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who Created all things by Jesus Christ"
+12) Acknowledge that I am going to give an account at Judgment (1 Corinthians 3:8-15;
Romans 14:12), at my Heavenly Home-Going ( Great GRACE Departure! )
According to these and all the details of God's Sound Doctrinal Blueprint In
Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
Or?:......C) Do I speak after following the Many, who homogenize A) + B) into what
seems to be Contradictions ( water or Spirit Baptism, sell all or work, etc. )?
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of Peace,
as in all churches of the saints." (1 Corinthians 14:33)
Amen.---------
Precious friend, please humbly and kindly continue with what you think about This Important Matter.
It will be Much appreciated...
Grace And Peace!
brother Chris E
Hello @GodsGrace,
Thank you for so many confirmatory translations from 1 Cor. 9:17.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hello @marks,
But thankfully, God has not finished with that nation, has He. They will yet come to repentance and carry out the purpose God has for them to fulfill.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Jesus foretold his crucifixion before it happened.............[Mat 20:19 KJV] 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.........I said the cross and all it accomplished was not revealed until Paul
Sorry but you said dispensationalism was a new teaching because of when it was founded NOT just new ideas......you said.........
Anyway, yes, dispensationalism was invented in the 1800's and was never taught in the church before this. I'm very suspicious of all new teachings
I am just saying what is taught is the basis to discount it's teachings not it's origin
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