WHAT IS PARADISE?

[IndianaRob]

I dont know why you are focused on THE captivity when this phrase isnt found. The verse says "thou hast led captivity captive:". I never used the term either

A noun is a person, place, or thing.

So "captivity" used as a noun in Ephesians 4:8 is identifying a people — not describing an action or condition. It's naming who was led.

The verse could’ve have just as easily said “led My People captive” or led Old Testament believers captive”.

Captivity is a noun in the verse so the only unknown is who is captivity. My point is that captivity as a noun in the Bible always, without exception, refers to Old Testament believers.

 

[Doug]

A noun is a person, place, or thing.

So "captivity" used as a noun in Ephesians 4:8 is identifying a people — not describing an action or condition. It's naming who was led.

The verse could’ve have just as easily said “led My People captive” or led Old Testament believers captive”.

Captivity is a noun in the verse so the only unknown is who is captivity. My point is that captivity as a noun in the Bible always, without exception, refers to Old Testament believers.

very well

 

[Doug]

A noun is a person, place, or thing.

So "captivity" used as a noun in Ephesians 4:8 is identifying a people — not describing an action or condition. It's naming who was led.

The verse could’ve have just as easily said “led My People captive” or led Old Testament believers captive”.

Captivity is a noun in the verse so the only unknown is who is captivity. My point is that captivity as a noun in the Bible always, without exception, refers to Old Testament believers.

I just had a thought. If you are saying its "my people captive" then look at this verse again...............[Psalm 68:18 KJV] "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell [among them]."...............this verse would now be made to say what you said 2 Tim 2:26 could say .................[Psalm 68:18 KJV] "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast LED MY PEOPLE CAPTIVE: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell [among them]."...............so now the Lord is leading his people captive??

 

[IndianaRob]

I just had a thought. If you are saying its "my people captive" then look at this verse again...............[Psalm 68:18 KJV] "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell [among them]."...............this verse would now be made to say what you said 2 Tim 2:26 could say .................[Psalm 68:18 KJV] "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast LED MY PEOPLE CAPTIVE: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell [among them]."...............so now the Lord is leading his people captive??

Yes we, as his His people, are prisoners of Christ as the Bible says.

Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called

Which could be written as “I therefor, the captive of the Lord…” or “ I therefor, the captivity of the Lord. All of that means exactly the same.

 

[Doug]

Yes we, as his His people, are prisoners of Christ as the Bible says.

Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called

Which could be written as “I therefor, the captive of the Lord…” or “ I therefor, the captivity of the Lord. All of that means exactly the same.

Paul is talking about being in prison

 

[IndianaRob]

Paul is talking about being in prison

Why do you say that? Are you not a prisoner of Christ?

 

[Doug]

Why do you say that? Are you not a prisoner of Christ?

Because Paul was imprisoned

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul is talking about being in prison

When It says HE ascended up on high and LED captivity Captive .
that was showing H OW he had taken power over satan who led folks captive and held folks captive .
TO the trenches one and all . we has us a gospel to defend like never before .
cause budda , muhammed , rainbows and sins and any other ism WONT be sav ing s qaut . ITS ALL death and of the darkness .
ONLY JESUS saves and for to be saved ONE MUST BELEIVE .

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Doug,

I can see why you think that. Why wouldn't he just say that? Why didnt he say in the grave as Isaiah said................[Isaiah 53:9 KJV] "And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth."

Perhaps it is colourful language and a parallel thought to the extreme experience of Jonah in the belly of the large fish.

The Heart of the Earth:

• Physical location: Deep inside, molten core

You have given a very detailed view, but I find it far from convincing. I do not believe in immortal souls. If your scenario is correct, why does Peter state that David has not ascended to heaven. I find the whole passage of interest and relevant, despite its length:
Acts 2:25-36 (KJV): 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Doug, I consider that "hell" the covered place, is equivalent to the "heart of the earth" and the same word is translated "grave" and should be translated grave here. David and Peter are not speaking about immortal souls here. Jesus was a dead soul for three days in the grave.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[IndianaRob]

When It says HE ascended up on high and LED captivity Captive .
that was showing H OW he had taken power over satan who led folks captive and held folks captive .
TO the trenches one and all . we has us a gospel to defend like never before .
cause budda , muhammed , rainbows and sins and any other ism WONT be sav ing s qaut . ITS ALL death and of the darkness .
ONLY JESUS saves and for to be saved ONE MUST BELEIVE .

So you are saying captivity is another word for Satan?

 

[amigo de christo]

Say you are saying captivity is another word for Satan?

there are several meanings for it . we just need to read the bible to see .
Depends on where and how it was used . that is about all i can say on that subject my friend .
NOw on those feet and to the trenches . Its all out war for the souls of men
and many now do the work and the working of the dark one to become as one man and one peoples .
And yet they all beleive its of GOD , its HIS LOVE and its his plan for world peace n safety .
NOPE . it aint .
Its of the dark one who has brought a love of this world and recreated an image of another god
that would include all false religoins as well as the duped in christendom .
HERE is whose peace they work for to attain .
This one .
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE DESTROY MANY . PS , that aint the one no sheep gonna follow . that b e of anti christ .
and this ever merging ecumeincal whore knows how to blend her cup of fornica tional love unto each peoples
to get them to merge as one under her shade . TO the trenches Indiana Rob , to the walls . ITS all out war in t hese final hours
upon earth . TO THE LORD be the GLORY and to the LORD be all praise no matter the cost . Strap all armour on .

 

[Doug]

I do not believe in immortal souls

[1 Corinthians 15:53 KJV] "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality."
[2 Timothy 1:10 KJV] "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"..............If you deny immortality then you are denying scripture that teaches it

 

[Doug]

Peter state that David has not ascended to heaven.

Israel was never promised heaven they were promised the earth. David went to paradise/Abraham's bosom awaiting resurrection

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Doug,

[1 Corinthians 15:53 KJV] "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality."
[2 Timothy 1:10 KJV] "But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:"..............If you deny immortality then you are denying scripture that teaches it

I do not deny immortality, but I deny the usual version of immortal souls. The theory of immortal souls usually states that at death a person's immortal soul goes to heaven to be in bliss or goes to hell to be burnt with fire and eaten by worms eternally. The Bible teaches that at death we return to the dust and then at the return of Jesus, when he will set up the Kingdom of God on the earth, he will raise the faithful and together with the faithful who are living, he will change their mortal bodies into immortal bodies, and they will reign with Jesus as kings and priests for the 1000 years over the mortal nations.

Israel was never promised heaven they were promised the earth. David went to paradise/Abraham's bosom awaiting resurrection

I have avoided your numerous posts that seek to describe your various subdivisions of reward. A quick glance at the topic and then the fact that the title of the thread is in capital letters clearly indicates that the thread is by "Doug" and sure enough it is one of your many repetitious misguided threads. David is both dead and buried, and he has returned to the dust. He is asleep, awaiting the resurrection.

Acts 2:25-29,34 (KJV): 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Doug]

I do not deny immortality, but I deny the usual version of immortal souls. The theory of immortal souls usually states that at death a person's immortal soul goes to heaven to be in bliss or goes to hell to be burnt with fire and eaten by worms eternally. The Bible teaches that at death we return to the dust and then at the return of Jesus, when he will set up the Kingdom of God on the earth, he will raise the faithful and together with the faithful who are living, he will change their mortal bodies into immortal bodies, and they will reign with Jesus as kings and priests for the 1000 years over the mortal nations.

Paul said upon death he would be with Christ..............[Philippians 1:23 KJV] "For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:"

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Doug,

Paul said upon death he would be with Christ..............[Philippians 1:23 KJV] "For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:"

Yes, Paul's next conscious moment will be when he will be with Christ when Jesus returns to resurrect him.
2 Timothy 4:1,5-6 (KJV): 1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Doug]

Greetings again Doug,

Yes, Paul's next conscious moment will be when he will be with Christ when Jesus returns to resurrect him.
2 Timothy 4:1,5-6 (KJV): 1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Kind regards
Trevor

Those verses say no such thing
2 Timothy is just saying God and the Lord Christ will judge the living as well as the dead

 

[Wrangler]

Paradise is a condition of no want or ugliness.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Doug,

Those verses say no such thing
2 Timothy is just saying God and the Lord Christ will judge the living as well as the dead

2 Timothy 4:1,5-6 teach that Jesus will judge the living and the resurrected dead when he returns to establish his Kingdom upon the earth,

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Taken]

WHAT IS PARADISE?

A Place of Peace, Safety, Comfort.

Where IS Paradise?
Where the Tree of Life IS.

Where IS the Tree of Life?
*It WAS…in Gods Garden of Eden
*It Then WAS…on the gulf side with Abraham’s soul in Hell
*It Presently is in Heaven.
*It shall be Returned to Earth, WHEN Heaven and Earth Becomes ONE Godly Kingdom.

What IS the Tree of Life?
The Fruit of Gods True Word of Knowledge.

Glory to God,
Taken