What is Revival?

[amigo de christo]

Me neither, really. Something very real happened, and I'm thankful to God for that. I've been blessed through it.

Much love!

Let us all stay well dug in our bibles . Mark there is a spirit at work and its highly , highly deceptive .
It has wisdom , but its wisdom is darkened .
It cannot be bargained with , it cannot and it will not stop till it has consumed all not in the lambs book of life .
It has been in the garden of adam and eve . IT has been upon this earth .
IT was created and given wisdom and great gifts , but it rebelled against its maker .
and through a lie it will have mankind to do the same . TO REBEL against the very gospel of the GOD OF CHRIST .
ITS sneaky mark . How it begins is very crafity . The lambs must CONTINOUSLY remind and continously
point to CHRIST ALONE as the only , ONLY name whereby one may be saved .
And as JESUS himself said , There is but one condemnation . THEY WONT COME TO HIM that they might be saved .
DO NOT ALTER a word from this . PREACH JESUS and the DIRE NECESSITY to BELIEVE ON HIM and do so TILL the last
breath .

 

[Johann]

Me neither, really. Something very real happened, and I'm thankful to God for that. I've been blessed through it.

Much love!

Who is your Pastor again brother?

I believe something real happened to every believer on the Aorist moment transforming us into a 2nd Aorist--yours life-changing, almost immediately--me, progressive.

 

[Johann]

Let us all stay well dug in our bibles . Mark there is a spirit at work and its highly , highly deceptive .
It has wisdom , but its wisdom is darkened .
It cannot be bargained with , it cannot and it will not stop till it has consumed all not in the lambs book of life .
It has been in the garden of adam and eve . IT has been upon this earth .
IT was created and given wisdom and great gifts , but it rebelled against its maker .
and through a lie it will have mankind to do the same . TO REBEL against the very gospel of the GOD OF CHRIST .
ITS sneaky mark . How it begins is very crafity . The lambs must CONTINOUSLY remind and continously
point to CHRIST ALONE as the only , ONLY name whereby one may be saved .
And as JESUS himself said , There is but one condemnation . THEY WONT COME TO HIM that they might be saved .
DO NOT ALTER a word from this . PREACH JESUS and the DIRE NECESSITY to BELIEVE ON HIM and do so TILL the last
breath .

1Co_1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1Co_2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1) "For I determined." (Greek gar ekrina) "For I made a decision, judgment, or determined". Men's actions, as Christians and ministers of Christ, are of their own will, volition, choice or decision, not by compulsion.

2) "Not to know anything among you." (Greek ou ti eidenai) "Not to know or perceive anything." (Greek en humin) "Among you" . . . Paul determined not to present himself, his Greek, Hebrew, or Latin or philosophy as a basis of being known among the brethren. Act_20:18-27.

Sound familiar?

3) "Save Jesus Christ." (Greek ei me iesoun Christon) "If not or except Jesus Christ." This indicates Paul's sincere desire to present Jesus Christ, not himself or his own wisdom and person (Gal_6:14; 1Co_10:24).

4) "And him crucified." (Greek kai touton estauromenon) "And this one having been crucified." Gal_2:20; Tit_3:5; 1Co_1:17; 1Co_1:31.

1Co_1:22-25; Joh_17:3; Gal_3:1, Gal_6:14; Php_3:8-10

For I determined not to know anything among you (ou gar ekrina ti eidenai en humin). Literally, “For I did not decide to know anything among you.” The negative goes with ekrina, not with ti. Paul means that he did not think it fit or his business to know anything for his message beyond this “mystery of God.”
Save Jesus Christ (ei mē Iēsoun Christon). Both the person and the office (Lightfoot). I had no intent to go beyond him and in particular, and him crucified (kai touton estaurōmenon). Literally, and this one as crucified (perfect passive participle). This phase in particular (1Co_1:18) was selected by Paul from the start as the centre of his gospel message. He decided to stick to it even after Athens where he was practically laughed out of court. The Cross added to the scandalon of the Incarnation, but Paul kept to the main track on coming to Corinth.
Robertson

People can sneer, mock and even jolt us--and laugh us out of court--but this is the words of Paul, not by human intellect or philosophies--the preaching of Jesus Christ, Him crucified--foolishness to most--Him resurrected--laughed at by rabbis.

Stay strong
J.

 

[GTW27]

I preach a living God...not a man-made religious god. I preach a God of encounter, of empowerment. All you have is an idea of an afterlife... like all the pagan religions that have gone before. While you wait your Valhalla...there is a whole heaven to walk in right now. There is an abiding with Christ in a place prepared for those who love Him and wait for Him.

Blessings John. "I preach a God of encounter, of empowerment" This is from the old testament, the old covenant. This is how is was before Jesus came in the flesh, as it was prophesied He would. But the old has passed away and all things have become new.(like new wine). The old covenant was external but the new covenant is internal. "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, it any one hears my voice and opens the door I will enter in and sup(eat) with him." This is The Holy Spirit of which Jesus promised to send to those that believed. And He has done so. Jesus made a Way when there was no Way. He has said, "I AM The Way, The Truth and The Life, no one comes to The Father but through Me. One is born again(or from above) when The Lord enters into them. And this is the true Bride, the true Body of Christ with Him as The Head of the body. And Jesus made promises what The Holy Spirit would do once He entered in those who believe. And these promises He keeps and will continue to keep until that day. Yes, it is an amazing experience to walk into(external) The Presence of The Lord. His Love permiates every fiber of our being, beyond what words can describe. But the new Covenant enables The Lord(The Holy Spirit) to work in and eventually through us. It is His Righteousness and it is His Holiness in us. The Lord in the old has said, "My Glory I give to no other" But because of the new covenant and the cross, He can be glorified through us. We walk in The Spirit, to not only not fullfil the lust of the flesh, but to touch the heart of the lost, to bring The Good News(oh that what the name of that old Bible) of The Gospel and to build each other up until we all come to the unity of the faith. Glad I did not put those last words in another thread Lol.

 

[marks]

I agree with this. The Lord works how, when and where He pleases, in big ways and small. I believe revivals are the "times of refreshing" that is mentioned in the NT. They are not meant to grow up a flock spiritually, but are meant to encourage, re-inspire, re-energize and display the glory of God. As well as to harvest some souls into the kingdom, and get some tasks done like healing and deliverance that maybe weren't occurring very much apart from the revival. Maturing requires suffering and in a revival, even though life circumstances may be difficult for some individuals in the revival, a revival itself kind of takes away or ameliorates suffering, with everyone enJOYing God's presence so much. We don't tend to grow on the mountaintop experiences, but in the valleys. I think that's one reason revivals don't last very long, it is God's wisdom.......the Lord takes the enemy by surprise in the beginning but soon the flesh eventually starts to take everything over and that quenches the Spirit......but I wonder if it is all in God's wisdom ultimately, because we aren't in heaven yet and shouldn't expect really to be living in a heaven on earth all the time.

I think so also. My personal "revival", I think God was showing me what walking in the Spirit was like, so I'd know, and be encouraged that this life is real. And I think He stopped the "elevated walk" so I could learn and understand how we do this by faith, knowing it is real.

I don't see being "elevated" into a spiritual walk to be the normal part of the Christian life. To me, it was remedial, because I lacked faith, and lacked understanding. I think God does this and other things for people at times, for any number of His Own reasons, I won't claim to begin to know!

But for me, it provided part of my training to walk in the Spirit by faith.

Much love!

 

[marks]

--if a person's teachings is not lining up with the Scriptures, are we to remain silent?

Would you say Epi is preaching gospel truth, as it stands written?

I thought this post was about Lonnie.

You know I've not been silent on other things.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Noticed @marks remains silent--not really interested in what I'm asking or saying.
Shalom amigo
J.

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[marks]

Let us all stay well dug in our bibles . Mark there is a spirit at work and its highly , highly deceptive .
It has wisdom , but its wisdom is darkened .
It cannot be bargained with , it cannot and it will not stop till it has consumed all not in the lambs book of life .
It has been in the garden of adam and eve . IT has been upon this earth .
IT was created and given wisdom and great gifts , but it rebelled against its maker .
and through a lie it will have mankind to do the same . TO REBEL against the very gospel of the GOD OF CHRIST .
ITS sneaky mark . How it begins is very crafity . The lambs must CONTINOUSLY remind and continously
point to CHRIST ALONE as the only , ONLY name whereby one may be saved .
And as JESUS himself said , There is but one condemnation . THEY WONT COME TO HIM that they might be saved .
DO NOT ALTER a word from this . PREACH JESUS and the DIRE NECESSITY to BELIEVE ON HIM and do so TILL the last
breath .

You're preaching to the choir, as they say.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Who is your Pastor again brother?

Currently?

I believe something real happened to every believer on the Aorist moment transforming us into a 2nd Aorist--yours life-changing, almost immediately--me, progressive.

I'm not sure what you are saying here.

I think we are all fundamentally changed in our rebirth/regeneration, and after that, God works with each of us in a unique manner.

Results may be more visible, or less visible, but if we've been reborn, God has permanently changed us, and then goes on to make that change overwhelm who we used to be.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

1Co_1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1Co_2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1) "For I determined." (Greek gar ekrina) "For I made a decision, judgment, or determined". Men's actions, as Christians and ministers of Christ, are of their own will, volition, choice or decision, not by compulsion.

2) "Not to know anything among you." (Greek ou ti eidenai) "Not to know or perceive anything." (Greek en humin) "Among you" . . . Paul determined not to present himself, his Greek, Hebrew, or Latin or philosophy as a basis of being known among the brethren. Act_20:18-27.

Sound familiar?

3) "Save Jesus Christ." (Greek ei me iesoun Christon) "If not or except Jesus Christ." This indicates Paul's sincere desire to present Jesus Christ, not himself or his own wisdom and person (Gal_6:14; 1Co_10:24).

4) "And him crucified." (Greek kai touton estauromenon) "And this one having been crucified." Gal_2:20; Tit_3:5; 1Co_1:17; 1Co_1:31.

1Co_1:22-25; Joh_17:3; Gal_3:1, Gal_6:14; Php_3:8-10

For I determined not to know anything among you (ou gar ekrina ti eidenai en humin). Literally, “For I did not decide to know anything among you.” The negative goes with ekrina, not with ti. Paul means that he did not think it fit or his business to know anything for his message beyond this “mystery of God.”
Save Jesus Christ (ei mē Iēsoun Christon). Both the person and the office (Lightfoot). I had no intent to go beyond him and in particular, and him crucified (kai touton estaurōmenon). Literally, and this one as crucified (perfect passive participle). This phase in particular (1Co_1:18) was selected by Paul from the start as the centre of his gospel message. He decided to stick to it even after Athens where he was practically laughed out of court. The Cross added to the scandalon of the Incarnation, but Paul kept to the main track on coming to Corinth.
Robertson

People can sneer, mock and even jolt us--and laugh us out of court--but this is the words of Paul, not by human intellect or philosophies--the preaching of Jesus Christ, Him crucified--foolishness to most--Him resurrected--laughed at by rabbis.

Stay strong
J.

Yes indeed . Let us point to CHRIST , the very CHRIST OF GOD whom HE Did send .
Lift those hands up , for in HE ALONE shall be our faith , our trust , our hope and our salvation .
He is our righteousness , our salvation , our justification , our redemption . POINT TO HE ALONE
no matter who gets offended . For our desire is unto HIM and that none will perish . THUS WE POINT TO HE ALONE .
I think folks forget something . WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD .
IF our FAITH BE IN GOD , THEN OUR FAITH WOULD BE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . THIS IS MY WELL BELOVED SON
HEAR YE HIM .
GOD has chosen HOW to save the world . Through the preaching of the gospel .
Now lift those hands and praise the KING . Lift those hands and let all that has breath praise the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

You're preaching to the choir, as they say.

Much love!

Yeah , well LET THE CHOIR SING to the sound of the most lovely song there is , JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED .
Cause i gotta be honest mark . I WISH TO GOD EVERYONE who names HIS NAME would not only SING that song
but SING IT CONTIUNUALLY . FOR ME , there simply is no other hope , no other hope .
Now lift those hands UP mark . AND SING IT and let the CHOIR SING IT TOO .

 

[Episkopos]

I think so also. My personal "revival", I think God was showing me what walking in the Spirit was like, so I'd know, and be encouraged that this life is real. And I think He stopped the "elevated walk" so I could learn and understand how we do this by faith, knowing it is real.

This is good Mark. I agree that whether we are present or absent we should do all by faith...and what we have learned...to do what is acceptable to God in every moment, so help us Lord. The time I have spent in the higher walk has informed my faith and my ability to break quickly...surrender to God in the moment. Watchman Nee once was asked what the difference was between a crucified believer and one who had yet to be crucified. He took a cookie from dish in front of him, broke it and then stuck it back together. He said that that cookie only looks like it is still whole. But it will never be the same.

I don't see being "elevated" into a spiritual walk to be the normal part of the Christian life.

I think it depends on the calling. Depending if one is in ministry or not. To me, without that higher walk, at least in experience...the ministry is dead. Moses did say...I would that all would prophesy. I think God is looking for "as many as will" to walk with Him in that level of intimacy. I don't think it will ever become what Watchman Nee calls "The Normal Christian Life". But to me that is an issue of faith.

To me, it was remedial, because I lacked faith, and lacked understanding. I think God does this and other things for people at times, for any number of His Own reasons, I won't claim to begin to know!

Agreed. We need what we need in order to embark on a life of faith. Only God knows what He gives and what He expects in return. I look at this like a handicap. If more is expected of us...then more will be given...according to His purpose.

But for me, it provided part of my training to walk in the Spirit by faith.

Actually walking in the Spirit is the higher walk. What I think you mean to say is being LED by the Spirit and sowing to the Spirit. The actual walk IN Christ is rare for all the above stated reasons.

Even in the wilderness walk, the Israelites were led by the Spirit...following a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.

That's the level I walk at in my "normal" state...without the unction of an elevated walk that is totally pure without spot or wrinkle of sin.

To me, I see that elevated walk as the walk of the Bride who is making "herself" ready for the wedding to come. Not as easy place to get to.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sure i might be considered the monster , for i go not with the flow of the false satanic all inclusive lie .
But my love is for the peoples . no matter how i am seen , no matter how i be hated , THIS MAN GONNA POINT
to CHRIST ALONE . SO brace yourselves one and all , cause THIS is ONLY GONNA INCREASE .
and i aint ALONE either . ALL LAMBS are gonna do the same . Now lift those hands up
and join me in my SONG . FOR THE SONG POINTS TO CHRIST and not to man . BUT TO HE ALONE .
THE ONE WHOM GOD DID SEND . THE VERY WORD OF GOD that became flesh . THAT IS WHO I POINT TOO
and to HE ALONE . Now lift those hands up my friends and rejoice with me .

 

[Johann]

I thought this post was about Lonnie.

You know I've not been silent on other things.

I am referring to his video clips and the manner in which he is reacting to members on this Forum--would you say this is biblically sound?

 

[amigo de christo]

This is good Mark. I agree that whether we are present or absent we should do all by faith...and what we have learned...to do what is acceptable to God. The time I have spent in the higher walk has informed my faith and my ability to break quickly...surrender to God in the moment. Watchman Nee once was asked what the difference was between a crucified believer and one who had yet to be crucified. He took a cookie from dish in front of him, broke it and then stuck it back together. He said that that cookie only looks like it is still whole. But it will never be the same.


I think it depends on the calling. Depending if one is in ministry or not. To me, without that higher walk, at least in experience...the ministry is dead. Moses did say...I would that all would prophesy. I think God is looking for "as many as will" to walk with Him in that level of intimacy. I don't think it will ever become what Watchman Nee calls "The Normal Christian Life". But to me that is an issue of faith.


Agreed. We need what we need in order to embark on a life of faith. Only God knows what He gives and what He expects in return. I look at this like a handicap. If more is expected of us...then more will be given...according to His purpose.

Actually walking in the Spirit is the higher walk. What I think you mean to say is being LED by the Spirit and sowing to the Spirit. The actual walk IN Christ is rare for all the above stated reasons.

Even in the wilderness walk, the Israelites were led by the Spirit...following a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.

That's the level I walk at in my "normal" state...without the unction of an elevated walk that is totally pure without spot or wrinkle of sin.

To me, I see that as the walk of the Bride who is making "herself" ready for the wedding to come. Not as easy place to get to.

Rather odd though . your faith seem to be in a god , a christ , a social gospel that men created .
TIME for it to be in CHRIST ALONE . The BRIDE makes herself ready all right . BY FOLLOWING HE WHO HAS SAVED IT .
NOT the talks of men , not the faith of what men say our faith ought to be in
BUT WHOM GOD SAID and SAYS IT OUGHT TO BE IN . JESUS CHRIST .
Hold not thy breath waiting for me to change that SONG . RATHER SING IT ALL THE DAY LONG , cause KNOW for sure
I AM gonna SING IT . there will be no other gospel sounded out on my watch . No other hope
no other righteousness , no other salvation , no other redemption , no other santification ,
BUT CHRIST ALONE . FOR IN HE ALONE IS ALL THAT . No other song is this lamb gonna sing .
SO prepare thy heart UNTO THAT SONG . FOR JESUS IS WHO I WILL and SHALL POINT TOO , TILL ME LAST BREATH .

 

[amigo de christo]

I am referring to his video clips and the manner in which he is reacting to members on this Forum--would you say this is biblically sound?

IF you had asked me that question , THIS would have been my response . NO , FOR IT DOES NOT POINT TO CHRIST ALONE .

 

[marks]

I am referring to his video clips and the manner in which he is reacting to members on this Forum--would you say this is biblically sound?

I've not watch @Episkopos ' videos, and you've read my posts to him, I'm sure. I'm not feeling comfortable engaging in a discussion about a third party, I hope you will understand.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

IF you had asked me that question , THIS would have been my response . NO , FOR IT DOES NOT POINT TO CHRIST ALONE .

Correct--it does NOT point to Christ--and being born from above was almost as if it is not really an Imperative, if you have listened closely.
Shalom brother.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct--it does NOT point to Christ--and being born from above was almost as if it is not really an Imperative, if you have listened closely.
Shalom brother.

And the lambs wont buy it . The lambs BUY THE TRUTH and SELL IT NOT .

 

[Johann]

I've not watch @Episkopos ' videos, and you've read my posts to him, I'm sure. I'm not feeling comfortable engaging in a discussion about someone else, I hope you will understand.

Guess that's it then, no need to test the spirits, no need to correct wrong teachings, and no need to name names--which is not judging the person, but discerning error from truth.............

Chaverim, do not believe every ruach. [YIRMEYAH 29:8] But test the ruchot (spirits), if they be of Hashem, because many nevi'ei sheker have gone out into the Olam Hazeh.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, every spirit believe not, but prove the spirits, if of God they are, because many false prophets have gone forth to the world;
1Jn 4:2 in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that doth not confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is not; and this is that of the antichrist, which ye heard that it doth come, and now in the world it is already.
1Jn 4:4 Ye—of God ye are, little children, and ye have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you, than he who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They—of the world they are; because of this from the world they speak, and the world doth hear them;
1Jn 4:6 we—of God we are; he who is knowing God doth hear us; he who is not of God, doth not hear us; from this we know the spirit of the truth, and the spirit of the error.
YLT

1) "Beloved, believe not every spirit " (Greek agapetoi) "beloved ones", an affectionate address to all ages of believers. (pisteuete) trust ye-(me) not. (Greek panti pneumati) (just) any or every spirit. John warns that some spirits should not (must not) be trusted. There are "seducing spirits", 1Ti_4:1.

2) "But try the spirits" (Alla) but, strong contrast - (Greek dokimozete) "test ye or prove ye," the spirits. Put the spirits on trial, on examination; Do they speak and cause men to act according to the revealed Word of God? If not they are to be rejected as emissaries, servants, agents of Satan. 1Ti_4:1-3; 2Ti_4:3-4; 2Co_11:13-15.

3) "Whether they are of God": Fallen, deranged, demon spirits - enemies of God, work through men - depraved men, to oppose God and Holiness. Note the maniac of Gadara, Mar_5:1-20; Mar_7:24-30, and deceptive miracle workers. Rev_16:13-14.

4) "Because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1) Our Lord warned of "false" or lying prophets. Mat_7:15-23; Matthew 2) Paul did, 2Co_11:13-15; Act_20:27-31; Acts 3) Peter did, 2Pe_2:1-3; 2Pe_3:1-7. These false prophets have (Greek ekseleluthasin) "Gone out of their own accord -, or will". They were not (Greek stello) sent or authorized of the Lord.

believe not: Deu_13:1-5; Pro_14:15; Jer_5:31, Jer_29:8-9; Mat_7:15-16, Mat_24:4-5; Rom_16:18; 2Pe_2:1
try: Luk_12:57; Act_17:11; Rom_16:19; 1Co_14:29; 1Th_5:21; Rev_2:2
many: 1Jn_2:18; Mat_24:5, Mat_24:23-26; Mar_13:21; Luk_21:8; Act_20:29; 1Ti_4:1; 2Ti_3:13; 2Pe_2:1; 2Jn_1:7

As you feel uncomfortable informing a brother re his erroneous ways--so I am feeling uncomfortable with you now marks, just a "check" in my spirit and no need to reply.
J.