What is satan's strategy of Armeggeden?

[ScottA]

You appear to be saying we ought walk as Jesus before and after His resurrection on earth, which is fine since the only change for Him on earth was the resurrected body. In spiritual purity and holiness of life, He has not changed, and so as He is now, we ought also to be on earth. (1 John 3:3, 4:17)

However you seem to take it a step further by saying our alive and remaining time on earth, is as His '40 days'. The problem is that includes our physical bodies alive and remaining, which if applied to His 40 days, says we are also physically like Him after His resurrection.

We walk as Him in His days on earth before death and after resurrection for 40 days, pertaining to spiritually pure and righteous living, but we certainly do not walk as Him as physically resurrected? Correct? You're not saying your physical body has any resurrected immortality in it?

I am having to repeat myself:

There is no such thing as "immortal flesh bodies." That is false religion nonsense. Dust returns to dust, and the spirit to God who gave it.

 

[ScottA]

You see, once again, you are implying there is now physical immortal flesh and bones already for us today?

Or, do you mean that there is no immortal flesh and bones, that Jesus walked on earth with, and that we will walk on earth with during His millennium?

Here you go again, and again I am having to repeat myself: "Yes, "there is no immortal flesh (and bones)", nor did Jesus walk on this earth with any such thing.

This is "His Millennium." It began at Pentecost. He reigns, and we are His body of flesh and spirit. Then comes the end, and the dust (body of flesh) returns to the dust and is dissolved with fervent heat and with fire, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Read the scriptures again, it's all there. But it will mean nothing to you if you continue in the false religious lies that have caused the promised great apostacy of anti-Christ that has been at work since it was first announce by John 2,000 years ago.

 

[ScottA]

So, you say Jesus during His 40 days was only an 'appearance' of flesh and bones, but not physically true?

Is that not what they say about Jesus was only an appearance of Christ in form of man, not physically born of a woman?

You say He was not really immortal flesh and bones after His resurrection on earth, but only an appearance or form. Do you say the same of His coming and dying on the cross?

God said it from the beginning--"Let us create man in our image." It is also written "He formed man..." But you are not reconciling what the two statements actually mean.

That is the level of thinking given to men--but all truth has been promised. It is as I have been telling you: Indeed, all the universe and world is an "image" given its own "form" by God. But God is spirit, and there has been no intention of Him devolving to become a compromised form of "immortal flesh." He is and was "perfect" already. To the contrary, we are to be "perfect as He is perfect."

Renew your mind.

It is God that is real, and all this "created" world is just what He said it is. To reconcile "image" with "formed", simply means He gave the image form--it doesn't make it real as God is real. It makes it "imperfect" while He is "perfect." That is why that which is imperfect "is passing away"--not "immortalized", but "passing away." It is "passing away" that properly defines "this mortal must put on immortality." Such a "transformation" is not actually the old being "transformed" but being replaced--made anew ("again").

Thus, when the dust of this mortal flesh is returned to the earth, that which was and is born of the spirit will "in the twinkling of an eye" come together in "one new man." The confusion comes in trying to reconcile the events of time with the events of God--of which there is no communion, except for Christ ("the One mediator"). It is He who walks with "his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land"--that is, on the heavens and on the land. Even so, He gave His flesh to the church before returning to the Father. Which is to say, His flesh is indeed "alive and remaining", but only for a time before returning to the dust, while it is only "the spirit that returns to God who gave it"...just as it is written.

 

[Always Believing]

I am having to repeat myself:

There is no such thing as "immortal flesh bodies." That is false religion nonsense. Dust returns to dust, and the spirit to God who gave it.

Now you're talking plainly.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus was just as much real resurrected immortal flesh and bones after His resurrection, as He was natural flesh and blood before His death.

And I believe this is the key to your other things about 'reality' and 'images' and our own 40 days alive and remaining. You think Jesus was just an appearance after His bodily resurrection, and so you think you are just an appearance on earth, after being born again, until you ascend to the Father. And frankly, now I'm wondering if you think your deeds and works are now also only appearances of what you once were, so that they aren't real enough anymore for you to be judged, even if you do the same things as before.

No other than man Christ Jesus will ever ascend to the Father as He did, when He ascended to where He descended from.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

We don't ascend from the earth to the Father in heaven as He did, because we have not descended from the Father in heaven to earth. His first resurrected saints will rise to meet Him in the air, and then return to earth with their immortal bodies to rule with Him.

However by the example of the two witnesses in Rev 11, I believe the church will resurrect in a moment to stand all around the earth, and then rise up in plain sight of all remaining inhabitants of the earth. That's why the armies gathered at Armageddon to fight with the Lamb in the air, will be wiped out without mercy, because like Pharaoh driving onto the Red Sea bed, no one that stupid should live for long among normal human beings. ;)

 

[Always Believing]

God said it from the beginning--"Let us create man in our image." It is also written "He formed man..." But you are not reconciling what the two statements actually mean.

I don't dote about words and meanings. I don't look for hidden meanings in words that mean exactly what they say. We are created in God's image of spiritual being with power to choose good or evil, which no other creatures on earth have. And we are formed of dust into the natural mortal bodies we now have, that Jesus also had.

Indeed, all the universe and world is an "image" given its own "form" by God.

God did not create the world in His image nor any other image than what it is. This sounds like a kind of neo-pagan spiritism, that says the whole world is created in the image of God. God is in all His creation of trees, rivers, and creatures on earth.

But God is spirit, and there has been not intention of Him devolving to become a compromised form of "immortal flesh."

You call it devolving, but Scripture calls it glorious.

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. (Eph 5:27)

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Phillip 3:21)

Being in glorified immortal flesh and bones, is no more God delving than being in natural flesh and blood.

He is and was "perfect" already. To the contrary, we are to be "perfect as He is perfect."

Yes, and He remained spiritually pure and perfect in righteous of true holiness, while in natural flesh one, and continued the same in resurrected flesh and bones for 40 days, and will be so again on earth for at least a thousand years.

Renew your mind.

I do. From Scripture only.

 

[ScottA]

Once again here. You appear to be saying this world is not real, as though what we do in this life is not real, so that we are not really judged for how we live in this world.

You see my point? You don't think that do you? It's just that your doctrinal way of saying things isn't so clear to me. It's not wrong to speak in our own doctrinal manner, that we have developed for ourselves over time of much study. But it becomes a problem of translation, if we can't put it in plain words that even children can understand.

It's the lesson I learned in history studies, where the professor said we must write our conclusion in layman terms, rather than 'proffessorialese', that only similar professors can relate to. If we want to instruct others outside our own community, and not just talk among ourselves, then we have to write our teaching, and especially our conclusion, in words any normal reader can understand.

I don't mind being written to as a child, so long as understand exactly what is being said. So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. I can write things in a way that makes only sense to myself, but what's the point if I'm trying to show it to others?

Regarding your comment above about me appearing to say that "we are not really judged for how we live in this world", I didn't say that, nor mean it that way. But perhaps you are beginning to understand that the world is not what it appears to be--which I have been saying.

In any case, it is true that we are not so much "judged for how we live in this world"--but rather that it is how we "are" that is revealed in this world, whether good or evil. It is this way of thinking and of revealing the truth that has been stated as even occurring "before the foundation of the world." It is as God has said and as I have repeated, that what is revealed is by nature and definition an "image", while what is in God is what is actually real. So, yes we are judged for what we do in this world, for it is the evidence for or against us made manifest of what was true before the foundation of the world.

Which brings us to your other point of communication or teaching: As I said, I am repeating what God has first said even more obscure that I have. He has spoken in parables, and this is your upbringing. But I have been explaining the parables, and therefore you find it foreign--because it is not the object of the parables but the subject, of which I have been explaining. However, just as you know better than to believe that Jesus is actually a "Lamb" and his words actually "manna" or "bread", you are ready to continue learning about what Jesus referred to as "all parables." He himself explained the classic parables, but that is not "all."

So, no, I have no need to change my teaching, but rather to continue according to the Spirit who speaks in the hearing of the churches unto all truth.

 

[ScottA]

Now you're talking plainly.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus was just as much real resurrected immortal flesh and bones after His resurrection, as He was natural flesh and blood before His death.

And I believe this is the key to your other things about 'reality' and 'images' and our own 40 days alive and remaining. You think Jesus was just an appearance after His bodily resurrection, and so you think you are just an appearance on earth, after being born again, until you ascend to the Father. And frankly, now I'm wondering if you think your deeds and works are now also only appearances of what you once were, so that they aren't real enough anymore for you to be judged, even if you do the same things as before.

No other than man Christ Jesus will ever ascend to the Father as He did, when He ascended to where He descended from.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

We don't ascend from the earth to the Father in heaven as He did, because we have not descended from the Father in heaven to earth. His first resurrected saints will rise to meet Him in the air, and then return to earth with their immortal bodies to rule with Him.

However by the example of the two witnesses in Rev 11, I believe the church will resurrect in a moment to stand all around the earth, and then rise up in plain sight of all remaining inhabitants of the earth. That's why the armies gathered at Armageddon to fight with the Lamb in the air, will be wiped out without mercy, because like Pharaoh driving onto the Red Sea bed, no one that stupid should live for long among normal human beings. ;)

This is not "what the spirit says to the churches" but is conjecture and what you "believe"--nothing more. Stop talking and listen.

 

[amigo de christo]

What is satans strategy .........................well he knows he cannot win on that day
so his strategy is to build a universal one world ideal of a love that unites all religoins to be as one
SO THEY CAN JOIN HIM in the lake of fire .

 

[ScottA]

You call it devolving, but Scripture calls it glorious.

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. (Eph 5:27)

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Phillip 3:21)

Being in glorified immortal flesh and bones, is no more God delving than being in natural flesh and blood.

God is He who is "glorious." But you--not He, glorify the flesh. You lift up the flesh, but He raises up the spirit, as dust returns to dust and the spirit to Him who gave it.

 

[bbyrd009]

Revelation 16:14. Lucifer is one desperate rascal. Ezekiel chapter 28, God condemned Lucifer to ashes, lake of fire. Is Satan trying to AVERT his death sentence. Revelation 16:14. . Satan as antichrist will gather armys/people in armeggeden, at the end of the 6th trump. What purpose or strategy is Lucifer using against God?. Is this man of sin really going to wage war against Jesus at 7th trump?. Or is satan trying to break God's spirit?. Which fundamental applies logically?.

What is satan's strategy of Armeggeden?​

step 1 encourage believers to read literal fortune-telling about the future, rather than "the revelation of Christ"
step 2 invent "eschatology"
step 3 collect "tithes"

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Revelation 16:14. Lucifer is one desperate rascal. Ezekiel chapter 28, God condemned Lucifer to ashes, lake of fire. Is Satan trying to AVERT his death sentence. Revelation 16:14. . Satan as antichrist will gather armys/people in armeggeden, at the end of the 6th trump. What purpose or strategy is Lucifer using against God?. Is this man of sin really going to wage war against Jesus at 7th trump?. Or is satan trying to break God's spirit?. Which fundamental applies logically?.

God is soveriegn! Read Job and understand that Satan can't do anything without God's permission.
As we read through Revelation, we see a plan, details, a specific order of events, seals, trumpets and bowls ... an order to everything that happens and so Satan's doing is in check - part of the timely plan if you will - down to the week, day, and hour. He could release His restraint over evil and within minutes, all world leaders anger in rage and start pressing buttons - nuclear war and in one hour, it's over!

 

[Always Believing]

Regarding your comment above about me appearing to say that "we are not really judged for how we live in this world", I didn't say that, nor mean it that way. But perhaps you are beginning to understand that the world is not what it appears to be--which I have been saying.

The stars of heaven, and the hills of earth are exactly what they are created to be. Appearances of deception are what men pretend to be, when they are not.

Physical images are physically real, and images put on for show are not. That is idolatry.

In any case, it is true that we are not so much "judged for how we live in this world"--but rather that it is how we "are" that is revealed in this world, whether good or evil.

How we are within is revealed by what we do in our bodies. This is spiritual judgement that can read the book by it's cover. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Christ is more than just good works, but begins with spiritual purity, so we cleanse the inside of the platter first. We cleanse ourselves of corruption of the spirit and the flesh.

It is this way of thinking and of revealing the truth that has been stated as even occurring "before the foundation of the world." It is as God has said and as I have repeated, that what is revealed is by nature and definition an "image", while what is in God is what is actually real.

If you are saying the things of the Spirit are more real and eternal, than the things of the natural world, then you are simply speaking as the spiritual man, vs the natural man.

So, yes we are judged for what we do in this world, for it is the evidence for or against us made manifest of what was true before the foundation of the world.

If you mean the image of God, that has never changed, is shown by what we do, then I agree. We show the image of God that was before the world, but we were not there. I do not read any Bible saying plainly that we are souls created before the world began in Christ, and then breathed to life from the womb at a certain time.

So, no, I have no need to change my teaching, but rather to continue according to the Spirit who speaks in the hearing of the churches unto all truth.

Not change the teaching, but just make it more readable. You're doing better at it.

 

[Always Believing]

God is He who is "glorious." But you--not He, glorify the flesh. You lift up the flesh, but He raises up the spirit, as dust returns to dust and the spirit to Him who gave it.

Who me? How so?

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. (2 Cor 7)

You think preaching to cleanse our flesh by the Spirit is lifting up and glorifying the flesh? Are you saying that cleaning our lives of works of the flesh is glorifying the flesh? Perhaps we should continue in filthiness of the flesh, so no one can accuse us of being too 'flesh-centered'? Teaching abstaining from evil deeds is too 'flesh-centric' perhaps? We should concern ourselves less about what we do in the body, whether good or evil, and more about being 'spiritual'? We should not care about sinning more or less in the body, that grace may abound in our spiritual conversation?

If your not saying that, then I was just having fun with those who do say that from some of the OSAS crowd.

 

[ScottA]

The stars of heaven, and the hills of earth are exactly what they are created to be. Appearances of deception are what men pretend to be, when they are not.

Physical images are physically real, and images put on for show are not. That is idolatry.


How we are within is revealed by what we do in our bodies. This is spiritual judgement that can read the book by it's cover. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Christ is more than just good works, but begins with spiritual purity, so we cleanse the inside of the platter first. We cleanse ourselves of corruption of the spirit and the flesh.

If you are saying the things of the Spirit are more real and eternal, than the things of the natural world, then you are simply speaking as the spiritual man, vs the natural man.


If you mean the image of God, that has never changed, is shown by what we do, then I agree. We show the image of God that was before the world, but we were not there. I do not read any Bible saying plainly that we are souls created before the world began in Christ, and then breathed to life from the womb at a certain time.


Not change the teaching, but just make it more readable. You're doing better at it.

I am not going to continue entertaining your errored perception of the world.

The world is not the kingdom--and no, it's not "real", it's "created" like man who is stated as being a mere "image." I recommend you change the lenses of just how you view everything. Renew your mind.

 

[ScottA]

Being in glorified immortal flesh and bones, is no more God delving than being in natural flesh and blood.

Who me? How so?

I quoted it for you above.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. (2 Cor 7)

You think preaching to cleanse our flesh by the Spirit is lifting up and glorifying the flesh? Are you saying that cleaning our lives of works of the flesh is glorifying the flesh? Perhaps we should continue in filthiness of the flesh, so no one can accuse us of being too 'flesh-centered'? Teaching abstaining from evil deeds is too 'flesh-centric' perhaps? We should concern ourselves less about what we do in the body, whether good or evil, and more about being 'spiritual'? We should not care about sinning more or less in the body, that grace may abound in our spiritual conversation?
If your not saying that, then I was just having fun with those who do say that from some of the OSAS crowd.

Your reference to "glorified immortal flesh" above was not about bringing our natural bodies under subjection to the Spirit, which, indeed, we ought to do. But rather, by that language, surely you were instead referring to the resurrection and the flesh entering the kingdom of God, which is against the scriptures. If that is not what you meant, please clarify.

 

[Always Believing]

I am not going to continue entertaining your errored perception of the world.

I have no perception of the world. the world is what it is, even as Christ created the heavens and the earth to be.

The world of iniquity made by man is also what it is, even as the devil corrupts the souls and hearts of men created first in the image of God.

The world is not the kingdom--

No. The kingdoms of the world will become the kingdoms of Christ on earth. (Rev 11)

and no, it's not "real",

Ok, so you have departed from reality. Cloudcuckooland.

it's "created" like man who is stated as being a mere "image."

God's image is not 'mere'. You are as they say, so heavenly minded, you're no earthly good. The soul of man is created in God's image. The body of man is created from the same dust as all living creatures.

Our natural bodies are not the image of God, who is Spirit, but God did come down from heaven to earth to take on His own body in the image of man.

Not in the image of raccoons.

I recommend you change the lenses of just how you view everything. Renew your mind.

Not with your doctrine and revelation. No thanks.