What is the Bible about?

[JLG]

- My answer :

- First of all, thank you for your participation !

- I am not used to having messages on CTZ !

- I particularly appreciate the quality of your arguments !

- In fact, I didn’t know you had sent two messages !

- So i onjly read the second one !

- I will start with the last one !

- If you look carefully, you will see that the divorce has nothing to do with you !

- I was answering the message of somebody’s else !

- It was necessary to speak about what Jesus thinks about the subject !

- And the fact there is no difference between what Yah.weh says and what Jesus says !

- You are completely right when you speak about Adam and Eve !

- Because Adam chose to follow his wife and eat the fruit !

- Because he didn’t want to lose her !

- If he hadn’t eaten the fruit, he could have had another woman and would have kept perfect !

- And the same for mankind !

- I don’t know why some assimilate eating the fruit with having sex !

- Of course, there is no difference between animals and human beings !

- To have children, they need to have sex !

- The Bible says Noah was 500 when he had children !

- It doesn’t say anything about sex or when he started having sex !

- When we look at Genesis 5, we are told that Adam became father of Seth when he was 130 but he had children before !

- If i use Biblehub, it’s only because it is an interlinear and you get a dictionary at the same time and they put God’s name in parenthesis (it’s better than nothing) !

- I have nothing to say about the translation !

- I want to be able to get the words in Hebrew and Greek !

- Then if I want to check, I can go wherever I want !

- Mary was a normal woman and itb was the same with her husband !

- She gets Jesus because of Yah.weh !

- But after that, she had sex with Joseph !

- And they had children !

 

[JLG]

Somebody says :

I was reading the very wonderful stories of the Bible posted by - " JLC " such great stories, especially the descriptive way that JLC details the events laid out in God’s word.

If we can go back to the post “ # 17 “ - about Sarai having no children, and Sarai telling Abram to have relations with her servant Agar to bear the promised, prophesied seed.

But how is this in any way reminiscent or reminding and simulating the situation of Elkanah, Samuel’s father and his two wives ! Can you please explain a little about why you believe that Abram and Sarai were making things “ more complicated! -

Or how they and also even Samuels father Elkanah and his wife Hannah were behaving really strange, strange , bizarre, weird or had made “ wrong “ decisions, also, how is their action especially opposing, resisting, combating or struggling and conflicting with God!

The Catholic and Protestant translations do depict this exact narrative, to cast polygamy marriage in a negative malevolence and as an evil and destructive marriage situation, however, these translations are changing and altering the manuscripts and changing what the Manuscripts are saying in their originality.

FOR EXAMPLE , - - if we go to Lev 18:18 The Catholic Douay Rheims translation

:18 Thou shalt not take thy wife's sister for a harlot, to rival her: neither shalt
thou discover her nakedness, while she is yet living.



The Jerome Latin Vulgate

:18 You shall not take your wife’s sister as a rival mistress; nor shall you uncover her nakedness, while your wife is still living.


The Protestant translations

:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness,

beside the other in her life time.


We can see that all three of these mainstream translations somewhat differ in that one translation labels “ added polygamy wives “ - as harlots, prostitutes or hookers or perverted sexually immoral hussies,, who are rivals, opponent, challengers, enemies, and competitors with one another, - another translation, as mistresses which means ´” a sexual-intercourse with a man who is not her husband ”´

But let’s look at the original manuscripts. ”” Lev 18:18 - The original manuscripts “”

ואשׁה And a woman - אל־אחתה with her sister - לא do not - תקח take -
לצרר tsârar them gathered / them bundled - לגלות to uncover - ערותה her nakedness -

עליה upon her - בחייה׃ in her life.

:18 meaning = And a woman with her sister do not take

them gathered / them bundled, to uncover her nakedness upon her in her life.

The Hebrew word - לצרר means = them gathered / them bundled -


this Hebrew word only appears “ ONE SINGLE TIME “ in the manuscripts as a third person pronoun, - representing ancient Hebrew

You can go to every single one of these total “ 16 “ online translation websites, you will find that the Hebrew word - לצרר means = to gather / to bundle -

AND NOT TO VEX OR TORMENT

1 https://translate.google.com
2 - 3 Strong's Hebrew: 6887. צָרַר (tsarar) -- adversary
4 doitinHebrew.com - The Talking Online Hebrew Dictionary and Translation Engine. Learn how to say just about anything in Hebrew.
5 Translate Hebrew to English online | Translate.com
6 Morfix Translation - Free Hebrew English Dictionary
7 Hebrew to English Translation Online
8 Hebrew/English Translation in One Step or Translating between Hebrew/Yiddish and English in One Step
9 Translator from Hebrew into English | PROMT.One free online dictionary and text translation
10 Bing Microsoft Translator - Traducir del Inglés
11 FREE Hebrew to English translation online
12 FREE Hebrew to English translation online for Free
13 Free Hebrew English Translation Online Dictionary Translator
14 Hebrew - English Translation
15 Hebrew to English Translator
16 https://www.translator.eu/english/hebrew/translation/

The passage was explaining that relatives and family members, kin, “ blood / DNA related people “ were simply not supposed to be having children together and reproducing sexually with family members

As if - the wholesale acts of fathers having sex with their daughter - or grand - parents having sex with their grandchildren , this would not VEX and torment and cause distress ? BUT the passage is not detailing the context of personal FEELINGS and WAYS OF THINKING and ATTITUDES about sexual relationships, it is specifically dedicated to the describing the negative effects of crossbreeding, inbreeding, hereditary deformities - PROFANE DEFILED GENETIC incest - inborn births that cause disease and birth defects, stillbirths, infant mortality and a shorter life expectancy. children with severe diseases and disorders - that the land itself vomits out her defiled and polluted inhabitants.

The passage concluded the description of the situation of Genetic DNA Pollution and Confusion

Lev 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

the souls that commit this shall be cut off from among their people

Lev 18: 6 - 16 - Commands The Hebrews

To not have sexual intercourse with their relatives,
Daughters with fathers
Sons with mothers
Brothers with sisters - - half brother and half sister
Uncles with nieces
Aunts with nephews
Your brothers or your sisters - husband or wife
Grandparents with grandchildren
A wife with her sister _ together in marriage.

:17 the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, ; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

:19 a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
:20 with thy neighbor’s wife, - to defile thyself with her.

EVEN IN A BIBLICAL MARRIAGE SYSTEM - WHERE PLURAL / POLYGAMY MARRIAGE WAS HOLY AND righteous in the eyes of God, a situation where relatives / blood related sisters who were married to the same man, this was also problematic, dangerous and damaging, leading to near future birth defects and weakening the society.

”” Lev 18:18 - The original manuscripts “”

ואשׁה And a woman - אל־אחתה with her sister - לא do not - תקח take -

לצרר tsârar them gathered / them bundled - לגלות to uncover - ערותה her

nakedness - עליה upon her - בחייה׃ in her life.


The passage could have easily clearly, clearly, plainly, unmistakably and perfectly commanded that a man is forbidden from having multiple wives in polygamy / plural marriage, but the subject was about defilement of the DNA, genetic codes, diseases, deformities and weakening of society by related sisters being married and mass producing / creating offspring from one man . Having multiple numerous plural wives was never the abomination, defilement, evil and never the problem in the passage and never in the entire Bible is this mentioned as a problem for the God of the Bible.

There was something about related sisters sharing the seed or sperm of one single man that caused blood problems when producing offspring / life. The passage was not about condemning imaginations of VEXATION and ABUSE and TORMENT and HORROR and ANGUISH and distress about two sisters forced to marry the same man in polygamy marriage. In fact, for the last - 2500 years - the Hebrews had been marrying their relatives already , multiple sisters married to one man, daughters reproducing with their fathers, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, Cain and Seth married many of their very own sisters.

 

[JLG]

My answer :

- Thanks for indicating the post !

- The precision helps a lot !

- Thanks also for the precision of the elements you give !

- Well, Sarah and Agar, on the one hand, Elkanah’s two wives, on the other hand !

- In fact, one man, two wives !

- It would be the same with one woman, two men !

- That’s natural competition !

- Same with children !

- Same with animals !

- Once again, I am just refering to what Yah.weh says in the beginning that is one man and one woman !

- And Jesus says exactly the same in the gospels !

- Now it is true that Yah.weh tolerated men having several women !

- But it meant problems because of natural competition !

- And once again it was to maintain the descendants !

- When giving birth, many women used to die !

- And same for children !

- But straight away after creation men started to deviate from Yah.weh’s commandments !

- And it was the same with Israel, Judah and mankind !

- And it will be the same till the coming of Yah.weh’s kingdom !

 

[BreadOfLife]

- Mary was a normal woman and itb was the same with her husband !

- She gets Jesus because of Yah.weh !

- But after that, she had sex with Joseph !

- And they had children !

Strange how you are so certain of this when the Bible makes NO mention of either.

Mary gave birth to ONE child- Jesus.
NOWHERE does the Bible make mention of her having other children.

 

[JLG]

Strange how you are so certain of this when the Bible makes NO mention of either.

Mary gave birth to ONE child- Jesus.
NOWHERE does the Bible make mention of her having other children.

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Strange how you are so certain of this when the Bible makes NO mention of either.

Mary gave birth to ONE child- Jesus.
NOWHERE does the Bible make mention of her having other children.

- Guess what: the Bible is the history of the Israelites!
- Each page tells you that!
- Each story tells you that!
- Each family tells you that!
- The book of Adam's story tells you that!

 

[JLG]

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EXODUS 3:15

YAH.WEH THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS – THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB – HAS SENT ME TO YOU.
THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS HOW I AM TO BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY GENERATION IN EVERY GENERATION.

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Jesus had siblings :

- Guess what: the Bible is the history of the Israelites!
- Each page tells you that!
- Each story tells you that!
- Each family tells you that!
- The book of Adam's story tells you that!

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Remember:

• If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!
• They used to write differently!
• They used to speak differently!
• They used to think differently!
• They used to act differently!

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Remember:

Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.

This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.

Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:

• Point of time (a specific day)
• time period of a whole or half a day:
  • Period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness),
  • Sunrise to sunset
  • Sunset to next sunset
• General term for time ( as in 'days of our lives')
• A year "lived a lot of days"
• Time period of unspecified length. "days and days"

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The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.

Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.

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[JLG]

28) Cold or Hot Anger?

• In Numbers 16, we are told about the rebellion of Korah, Dathan and Abiram!
• They oppose Moses with 250 prominent men!
• They have enough of Moses and Aaron!
• So Moses tells them that Yah.weh will make known who belongs to him!
• All must take fire holders with fire and incense!
• The next morning Yah.weh wants to exterminate all the israelites!
• But because of Moses, the assembly must separate from the rebel leaders!
• Then the earth opens and swallows the three rebels and their families!
• And a fire consumes the 250 men!

 

[BreadOfLife]

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- Guess what: the Bible is the history of the Israelites!
- Each page tells you that!
- Each story tells you that!
- Each family tells you that!
- The book of Adam's story tells you that!

And NONE of those stories states that Mary had other chilldren.

 

[BreadOfLife]

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EXODUS 3:15

YAH.WEH THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS – THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB – HAS SENT ME TO YOU.
THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS HOW I AM TO BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY GENERATION IN EVERY GENERATION.
__________________________________________________________________________
Jesus had siblings :

- Guess what: the Bible is the history of the Israelites!
- Each page tells you that!
- Each story tells you that!
- Each family tells you that!
- The book of Adam's story tells you that!

__________________________________________________________________________

Remember:

• If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!
• They used to write differently!
• They used to speak differently!
• They used to think differently!
• They used to act differently!

__________________________________________________________________________

Remember:

Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.

This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.

Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:

• Point of time (a specific day)
• time period of a whole or half a day:
  • Period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness),
  • Sunrise to sunset
  • Sunset to next sunset
• General term for time ( as in 'days of our lives')
• A year "lived a lot of days"
• Time period of unspecified length. "days and days"

__________________________________________________________________________

The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.

Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.

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And again - NONE of those stories states that Mary had other chilldren.

 

[JLG]

And again - NONE of those stories states that Mary had other chilldren.

Brothers of Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Brothers of Jesus​

The brothers of Jesus or the adelphoi (Greek: ἀδελφοί, translit. adelphoí, lit. "of the same womb")[1][Notes 1] are named in the New Testament as James, Joses (a form of Joseph), Simon, Jude, [2] and unnamed sisters are mentioned in Mark and Matthew.[3] They may have been: (1) the sons of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Joseph, (2) sons of Mary the wife of Cleophas and sister of Mary, the mother of Jesus; or (3) sons of Joseph by a former marriage. While option 1 is described as the "most natural inference" from the New Testament, those who uphold the perpetual virginity of Mary reject the idea of biological brethren and maintain that the brothers and sisters were either cousins of Jesus (option 2, the position of the Catholic Church) or children of Joseph from a previous marriage (option 3, the Orthodox Churches)

Etymology​

According to context, the Greek plural noun ἀδελφοί (adelphoi), from a- (‘same) and delphys (‘womb),[1] may mean physical brothers, physical brothers and sisters, figurative brothers, or figurative brothers and sisters.[5] Adelphoi sometimes means more than a blood brother, e.g. Gen 29:12; Rom 9:3 (kinsman); Matt 5:22-23 (neighbor); Mark 6:17-18 (step-brother). In such instances the context must determine the meaning.[6] Adelphoi is distinct from anepsios, meaning cousin, nephew, niece, and this word is never used to describe James and the other siblings of Jesus.[7] Although neither Hebrew nor Aramaic had a word for "cousin", both customarily spoke of a cousin as a "son of an uncle" (Heb. ben dod; Aram. bar dad) [6] and the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, never translates either expression as "brother" or "sister" [6]

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[JLG]

Adelphoi (brethren) of Jesus​

Mark 6:3 names James, Joses, Judas (conventionally known in English as Jude) and Simon as the brothers of Jesus, and Matthew 13:55, which probably used Mark as its source, gives the same names in different order, James, Joseph, Simon and Judas.[8] "Joseph" is simply the longer form of "Joses", and so it appears that James was the eldest and Joses/Joseph the next, but as Matthew has reversed the order of the last two it is uncertain who was the youngest.[9] Unnamed sisters are mentioned in Mark 6:3 and Matthew 13:56 and may be implied in Mark 3:35 and Matthew 12:46, but their number is unknown




The gospels indicate a rift between Jesus and his brothers in the early part of his ministry (see Mark 3:31-35 and the parallel passages in Matthew 12:46-50 and Luke 8:19-21), and they never appear among his followers during his lifetime.[10] John has Jesus's brothers advising him to go to Judea despite being aware that his life would be in danger, and they are absent from his burial, which should have been their responsibility,[11] but they do appear in Acts 1:14 with the Eleven (i.e., the remaining disciples after the betrayal by Judas Iscariot): "These all (the Eleven) were persevering in prayer along with the women, with Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers."




In 1 Corinthians 15:3–7 Paul lists a "James" among those to whom the risen Christ had appeared,[12] and most scholars agree that this refers to James the brother of Jesus.[13] The 2nd century historian Hegesippus (c.110 – 180 AD) reports that James the brother of Jesus came to be known as James the Just,[14] and Eusebius of Caesarea (died 339) says that he spent so much of his life in prayer that his knees became "like the knees of a camel."[15] According to Clement of Alexandria, reported by Eusebius, he was chosen as bishop of Jerusalem,[16] and from the time when Peter left Jerusalem after Herod's attempt to kill him (Acts 12) he appears as the principal authority in the Jerusalem church, presiding at the Council of Jerusalem recorded in Acts 15.[16] In Galatians 1:19 Paul tells how he went to Jerusalem a few years after his conversion and met Cephas (Peter) but no other apostles, only "James, the brother of the Lord";[17] Paul's Greek leaves it unclear whether he includes, or does not include, James among the apostles.[18] He goes on to describe a second visit fourteen years later when he met the "pillars of the Church", James and Peter and John; James is mentioned first and seems to be the primary leader among these three.[12] In chapter 2 he describes how he and Peter were later in Antioch and in the habit of dining with gentile Christians in breach of Jewish torah, until "certain people from James" came and Peter withdrew, "fearing those who belong to the circumcision."[19] The 1st century historian Josephus tells how he was martyred by the Jews in 62 CE on charges of breaking the Jewish Law




Paul records in 1 Corinthians that the other brothers of Jesus (that is, other than James, who is portrayed as rooted in Jerusalem) travelled as evangelists, and that they were married ("Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas (Peter)?" - 1 Corinthians 9:5).[20] The 3rd century Apostolic Father Eusebius left a list of 12 bishops of the early church, of whom two, Joseph/Joses and Jude, may be the brothers of Jesus.[21] The number of sisters and their names are not specified in the New Testament, but the apocryphal 3rd century Gospel of Philip mentions a Mary, and the Salome who appears in the late 2nd century Gospel of James is arguably other sister

The author of the epistle of James introduces himself as "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ".[23] He does not identify himself as the brother of Jesus or an apostle or a leader of the church in any way,[15] but one recent study characterises this letter as "the most Jewish text in the New Testament".[24] The epistle of Jude identifies its author as "Jude...the brother of James", but today there is widespread, although not unanimous, support for the view that it was composed in the early part of the 2nd century by an unknown author borrowing the name of the brother of Jesus.[25] Hegesippus mentions a Simon or Simeon (the names are equivalent) who became leader of the Jerusalem church after the death of James, but makes this Simon a son of Clopas, the brother of Joseph

 

[JLG]

Relationship to Jesus​

The 19th century scholar J.B. Lightfoot identified three possible positions on the relationship to Jesus of those called his brothers and sisters by reference to their 4th century advocates, namely the Helvidian (after Helvidius, who wrote c.380), the Epiphanian (after Epiphanius of Salamis, 315-403), and the Hieronymian (after Jerome, 349-419/20).[27] A fourth position, not mentioned by Lightfoot, is that the adelphoi were full-blooded brothers and sisters of Jesus

Full blood-brothers and sisters of Jesus​

This position rejects the virgin birth of Jesus and accepts his brothers and sisters as precisely that. This position it seems to have been restricted to a 2nd century Jewish Christian sect called the Ebionites, who did not accept the incarnation and divinity of Jesus. This is arguably the position presupposed by Mark, John, and Paul, who do not mention the virginal conception of Jesus

Half-brothers and sisters of Jesus (Helvidian view)​

The view of Helvidius was that the adelphoi were full siblings of Jesus born to Mary and Joseph after the firstborn Jesus.[28] This is the most common Protestant position,[28] and is taken today by a large number of scholars, including a few who identify as Roman Catholic.[29] The following hypothetical family tree is from "Jesus' Family Tree", Frontline, PBS

Stepbrothers of Jesus (Epiphanian view)​

The Epiphanian view, named after its main proponent, the fourth-century bishop Epiphanius, and championed by the third century theologian Origen and fourth-century bishop Eusebius, the “brothers” and “sisters” mentioned in the New Testament are sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, and hence stepbrothers of Jesus; this is still the official position of the Eastern Orthodox churches.

Cousins of Jesus (Hieronymian view)​

The Hieronymian view was put forward in the 4th century by Jerome, who argued that not only Mary, but Joseph too, had been a life-long virgin.[32] Apparently voicing the general opinion of the Church, he held that the "brothers of Jesus" were the sons of Mary the "mother of James and Joses" mentioned in Mark 15:40, whom he identified with the wife of Clopas and sister of Mary, the mother of Jesus mentioned in John 19:25.[33] The Roman Catholic church continues to teach that the adelphoi were cousins of Jesus.[34] (The following family tree is from Richard Bauckham, "Jude and the Relatives of James")

Jerome's argument produces the unlikely result of two sisters both named Mary.[35] A modern variant eliminates this by identifying Clopas as the brother of Joseph, thereby making the two Marys sisters-in-law; in this version Jesus's cousin Simon is identified with Symeon the second leader of the church in Jerusalem.[35][36] (The following family tree is from Richard Bauckham, "Jude and the Relatives of James")

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[JLG]

And NONE of those stories states that Mary had other chilldren.

- I don't how it is possible to understand the Bible without knowing anything of the Hebrew culture!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Brothers of Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Brothers of Jesus​

The brothers of Jesus or the adelphoi (Greek: ἀδελφοί, translit. adelphoí, lit. "of the same womb")[1][Notes 1] are named in the New Testament as James, Joses (a form of Joseph), Simon, Jude, [2] and unnamed sisters are mentioned in Mark and Matthew.[3] They may have been: (1) the sons of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Joseph, (2) sons of Mary the wife of Cleophas and sister of Mary, the mother of Jesus; or (3) sons of Joseph by a former marriage. While option 1 is described as the "most natural inference" from the New Testament, those who uphold the perpetual virginity of Mary reject the idea of biological brethren and maintain that the brothers and sisters were either cousins of Jesus (option 2, the position of the Catholic Church) or children of Joseph from a previous marriage (option 3, the Orthodox Churches)

Etymology​

According to context, the Greek plural noun ἀδελφοί (adelphoi), from a- (‘same) and delphys (‘womb),[1] may mean physical brothers, physical brothers and sisters, figurative brothers, or figurative brothers and sisters.[5] Adelphoi sometimes means more than a blood brother, e.g. Gen 29:12; Rom 9:3 (kinsman); Matt 5:22-23 (neighbor); Mark 6:17-18 (step-brother). In such instances the context must determine the meaning.[6] Adelphoi is distinct from anepsios, meaning cousin, nephew, niece, and this word is never used to describe James and the other siblings of Jesus.[7] Although neither Hebrew nor Aramaic had a word for "cousin", both customarily spoke of a cousin as a "son of an uncle" (Heb. ben dod; Aram. bar dad) [6] and the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, never translates either expression as "brother" or "sister" [6]

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Your FIRST blunder is going to a source like Wikipedia in search of Biblical truth. You won’t find it there . . .

The Bible speaks of Jesus having Adelphoi. This is an interesting Greek work that is used in Scripture for brother of the same patents, half-brother, step-brother, cousin, uncle, relative, friend, fellow believer, fellow countryman, etc.

Similarly, in the Aramaic language spoken by Jesus and the NT writers, the word, “Ach”, encompasses the meanings for brother of same parents, half-brother (same father), relative, kinship, same tribe, and even a fellow countryman.

- In the Septuagint (Greek OT), there are several examples of this:

- In Gen. 14:14, Lot is called Abraham’s "brother", even though he was his nephew (Gen. 11:26–28).

- In Gen. 29:15, Jacob is referred to as the "brother" of his uncle Laban.

Brothers Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar’s daughters married their "brethren”, the sons of Kish - who were actually their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).

As a matter of fact, in the New Testament - there are 344 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used.
41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.

47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.

256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.

Let that sink in:
The OVERWJELMING number of uses of “Adelphos” does NOT indicate a uterine sibling.

Now – what about the “named” brethren of Jesus (Matt. 13:55 , Mark 6:3)?? We find the answer in the Crucifixion narratives:

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome").

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

When you compare the different accounts of the Crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus [Mark 3:18]) – NOT Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.

 

[JLG]

Your FIRST blunder is going to a source like Wikipedia in search of Biblical truth. You won’t find it there . . .

The Bible speaks of Jesus having Adelphoi. This is an interesting Greek work that is used in Scripture for brother of the same patents, half-brother, step-brother, cousin, uncle, relative, friend, fellow believer, fellow countryman, etc.

Similarly, in the Aramaic language spoken by Jesus and the NT writers, the word, “Ach”, encompasses the meanings for brother of same parents, half-brother (same father), relative, kinship, same tribe, and even a fellow countryman.

- In the Septuagint (Greek OT), there are several examples of this:

- In Gen. 14:14, Lot is called Abraham’s "brother", even though he was his nephew (Gen. 11:26–28).

- In Gen. 29:15, Jacob is referred to as the "brother" of his uncle Laban.

Brothers Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar’s daughters married their "brethren”, the sons of Kish - who were actually their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).

As a matter of fact, in the New Testament - there are 344 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used.
41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.

47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.

256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.

Let that sink in:
The OVERWJELMING number of uses of “Adelphos” does NOT indicate a uterine sibling.

Now – what about the “named” brethren of Jesus (Matt. 13:55 , Mark 6:3)?? We find the answer in the Crucifixion narratives:

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome").

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

When you compare the different accounts of the Crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus [Mark 3:18]) – NOT Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.

- My answer :



- First of all, I must paste the small paragraphs about the difference between biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek I usually put first when I send a message !

- In fact, there is a huge difference between the two languages !

- 8,000 words in biblical Hebrew and 138,607 words in biblical Greek !

- Biblical Hebrew is very limited whereas biblical Greek has about 17 times more words !

- And Greek is one of the richest language in the world !

- And modern Greek is more limited than ancient Greek !



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Remember:

Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.

This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.

Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:

• Point of time (a specific day)
• time period of a whole or half a day:
  • Period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness),
  • Sunrise to sunset
  • Sunset to next sunset
• General term for time ( as in 'days of our lives')
• A year "lived a lot of days"
• Time period of unspecified length. "days and days"

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The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.

Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.

 

[JLG]

- Let’s start with the book of Matthew !

- In Matthew chapter 1, we are told about Jesus’ genealogy !

- son of (huiou) and noun (genitive)

- Matthew 1:2

Jacob (Iakob) the father (egennesen) of Judah (Ioudan) and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)

- Matthew 1:11

- And Josiah the father of Jeconiah and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)

- Matthew 1:16

- And Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband (andra) of mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ

- Matthew 1:18

- This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about : His mother (metros) Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together (convene, depart in company with, associate with or cohabit) she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

- Matthew 1:19

- (Because) Joseph her (autes) husband (aner), a righteous man, was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly (secretly).

- Matthew 1:24

When Joseph woke up he did as the angel of (the) Lord had commanded him, and embraced (to receive near, associate with oneself) (Mary as) his (autou) wife (gynaika).

- Matthew 1:25

- (but) he had no union with her ( OR IN OTHER WORDS HE HAD NO SEX WITH HER ) until she gave birth to a Son (huion). And he gave Him the name Jesus.



CONCLUSION OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 1 :



- We have the following words :

- son of (huiou) and noun (genitive)

- the father (egennesen) of

- the father (egennesen) of ... and (kai) his (autou) brothers (adelphous)

- the husband (andra) of

- His mother (metros)

- her (autes) husband (aner)

- his (autou) wife (gynaika)

- a Son (huion)



- (but) he had no union with her ( OR IN OTHER WORDS HE HAD NO SEX WITH HER ) until she gave birth to a Son (huion). And he gave Him the name Jesus.

- Thus Joseph had no sex with Mary until she gave birth to her son meaning he was going to have sex with her after meaning he would have children with her !

 

[BreadOfLife]

- My answer :



- First of all, I must paste the small paragraphs about the difference between biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek I usually put first when I send a message !

- In fact, there is a huge difference between the two languages !

- 8,000 words in biblical Hebrew and 138,607 words in biblical Greek !

- Biblical Hebrew is very limited whereas biblical Greek has about 17 times more words !

- And Greek is one of the richest language in the world !

- And modern Greek is more limited than ancient Greek !



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Remember:

Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.

This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.

Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:

• Point of time (a specific day)
• time period of a whole or half a day:
  • Period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness),
  • Sunrise tosunset
  • Sunset to next sunset
• General term fortime ( as in 'days of our lives')
• Ayear "lived a lot of days"
• Time period of unspecified length. "days and days"

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The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.

Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.

And this impotent response does NOT address the fact I presented about the Biblical use of the Greek word, “Adelphos”.

EPIC FAIL on your part . . .

 

[JLG]

And this impotent response does NOT address the fact I presented about the Biblical use of the Greek word, “Adelphos”.

EPIC FAIL on your part . . .

- My answer :

- I am used to answering people who do as you do !

- That’s what you learned at school !

- Maybe you should go back to school !

- First, you mix Hebrew and Greek !

- I explained in few words it doesn’t work !

- That’s the usual mistake amateurs make !

- Second, you only give figures about the second part of the Bible !

- So what ?

- What about the different contexts ?

- What about the different books ?

- What about the different writers ?

- I am a fact checker !

- I am learning at the same time !

- And people can learn too !

- If I study a point, I do it seriously !

- I have only looked at the first chapter and the last verse contradict what you say !

- And it is only the beginning !

- You are too short man !

- It is too ridiculous !

 

[BreadOfLife]

- My answer :
- I am used to answering people who do as you do !
- That’s what you learned at school !
- Maybe you should go back to school !
- First, you mix Hebrew and Greek !
- I explained in few words it doesn’t work !
- That’s the usual mistake amateurs make !

WRONG.
I didn't "mix" Hebrew and Greek. I showed you the use of the SAME word (brother) in Hebrew (Ach) and Greek (Adelphos) because those are the languages in question.

That fact that YOU don't know this illustrates your abject ignorance of the New Testament.

- Second, you only give figures about the second part of the Bible !
- So what ?
- What about the different contexts ?
- What about the different books ?
- What about the different writers ?
- I am a fact checker !
- I am learning at the same time!

I gave you the figure of the use of the GREEK word "Adelphos" in the New Testament because Greek is that language it was written in.

Some "fact checker" . . .

- And people can learn too !
- If I study a point, I do it seriously !
- I have only looked at the first chapter and the last verse contradict what you say !
- And it is only the beginning !
- You are too short man !
- It is too ridiculous !

No - it's just too confusing for you.

You can't seem to understand that alrhough the NT was written in Greek - the people SPOKE in Aramaic.

PS - Why are you so angry??
Any 1st year Psychology student see the rage in all of your exclamation points.

 

[JLG]

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EXODUS 3:15

YAH.WEH THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS – THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB – HAS SENT ME TO YOU.
THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER, AND THIS IS HOW I AM TO BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY GENERATION IN EVERY GENERATION.

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Jesus had siblings :

- Guess what: the Bible is the history of the Israelites!
- Each page tells you that!
- Each story tells you that!
- Each family tells you that!
- The book of Adam's story tells you that!

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Remember:

• If you think like today’s people, you will never understand the Bible!
• They used to write differently!
• They used to speak differently!
• They used to think differently!
• They used to act differently!

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Remember:

Biblical Hebrew has a very small number of words, about 8,000, and around 1,700 of those words are hapax legomena (being said once) in the Hebrew Bible. Modern Hebrew has about 100,000 words. For comparison modern English has over 450,000 words, and Spanish has just over 175,000 words. Standard English dictionaries typically have about 200,000 words, whereas Spanish dictionaries have about 80,000 words.

This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context.

Although yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans:

• Point of time (a specific day)
• time period of a whole or half a day:
  • Period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness),
  • Sunrise to sunset
  • Sunset to next sunset
• General term for time ( as in 'days of our lives')
• A year "lived a lot of days"
• Time period of unspecified length. "days and days"

__________________________________________________________________________

The Greek language is ranked as the richest in the world with 5 million words and 70 million word types. According to Dr. MacDonald, only 600,000 Greek words are used today, making the Greek vocabulary the largest in the world and 3.5 times bigger than the English vocabulary.

Though there are 138,607 words in the Greek New Testament, only 5,394 are unique.

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