What is truth?

[CadyandZoe]

can you be saved without a priest?

No. Jesus Christ himself must intercede for you.

 

[CadyandZoe]

how is a high priest possible without low priests?

We don't need low priests. Period.

 

[CadyandZoe]

absolution of sin:

Lk 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

christ extends his mission power and authority to his church in all places for all times! Jn 20:21-23

Negative. Catholics misinterpret such verses in such a way as to support false doctrine. Jesus did NOT grant anyone the authority of absolution. If you knew the gospel, you would know this.

 

[Matthias]

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Thanks. I don’t see how anyone can look at these verses and conclude that Jesus, the apostles and the early church used instruments of torture on people whom they either suspected or knew to be heretics who wouldn’t repent and then turned them over to the state for imprisonment and execution. You’re the only person I’ve ever spoken with who does. That doesn’t, in and of itself, make you wrong but it does make you alone - unique - in my experience with Catholics and Protestants. Maybe there are others who believe as you do.

 

[theefaith]

Negative. Apostates are excommunicated. The Catholic Pedophiles were moved from area to area. Your religion has no authority.

you’re Protestant churches are not immune but we dont blame them cos they don’t teach men to do such things

 

[Matthias]

yes

Thanks for confirming.

 

[theefaith]

No. Jesus Christ himself must intercede for you.

he is a priest! High priest! And eternal priest!

 

[theefaith]

We don't need low priests. Period.

you don’t need salvation either then!

 

[Matthias]

Yes the royal priesthood

but Christ is high priest according to the order of melchisedec

So we must have priests according to the same order

I don’t think you can accept it or will be able to agree with it but the priesthood of all believers is the same order as the Messiah’s priesthood. That priesthood will reign and rule with him when he returns.

 

[theefaith]

Negative. Catholics misinterpret such verses in such a way as to support false doctrine. Jesus did NOT grant anyone the authority of absolution. If you knew the gospel, you would know this.

Jn 20:21 same mission power and authority

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

 

[theefaith]

I don’t think you can accept it or will be able to agree with it but the priesthood of all believers is the same order as the Messiah’s priesthood. That priesthood will reign and rule with him when he returns.

no Christ is high priest according to the order of melchisedec a ministerial priesthood that offers the sacrifice of Christ!

 

[Matthias]

no Christ is high priest according to the order of melchisedec a ministerial priesthood that offers the sacrifice of Christ!

Like I said … no surprise there.

Who is the Messiah, the high priest of the order of Melchizedek, offering to?

 

[CadyandZoe]

you’re Protestant churches are not immune but we dont blame them cos they don’t teach men to do such things

I'm not going to fall for this trick. You will not draw me into a defense of Protestantism as if I agreed with your basic premise, namely, that official institutions have belief-authority over those who follow Christ. I don't agree with you. Neither the RCC or the Protestant religious have belief-authority over the followers of Christ. We follow Jesus, not the Pope, not a Bishop, not a priest.

Your claim that the RCC has authority is without merit because it promotes sinful behavior and teaches false doctrine. It's as simple as that.

 

[CadyandZoe]

he is a priest! High priest! And eternal priest!

And there is no other. Period.

 

[CadyandZoe]

you don’t need salvation either then!

You speak falsely because you don't know the gospel.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Jn 20:21 same mission power and authority

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Negative. Paul did not teach the practice of homosexuality, pedophilia, indulgences, purgatory, limbo, confessing to a priest, inquisition, prayer to the saints, worship of Mary, the Eucharist, Transubstantiation, or the Sacraments.

 

[theefaith]

Like I said … no surprise there.

Who is the Messiah, the high priest of the order of Melchizedek, offering to?

the eternal Father

 

[Matthias]

the eternal Father

That’s right. His God and my God.

 

[theefaith]

I'm not going to fall for this trick. You will not draw me into a defense of Protestantism as if I agreed with your basic premise, namely, that official institutions have belief-authority over those who follow Christ. I don't agree with you. Neither the RCC or the Protestant religious have belief-authority over the followers of Christ. We follow Jesus, not the Pope, not a Bishop, not a priest.

Your claim that the RCC has authority is without merit because it promotes sinful behavior and teaches false doctrine. It's as simple as that.

no evidence

spiritual anarchy!

you don’t believe the Bible or the eternal words of Christ!

 

[theefaith]

And there is no other. Period.

not what scripture says

1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.