What is truth?

[theefaith]

There is only one savior, Jesus Christ.

true true of course true!

but I asked about the church the ark of salvation?

 

[Matthias]

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

That’s not Jesus’ voice.

 

[theefaith]

That’s not Jesus’ voice.

it’s a valid Christian creed with the authority of Jesus Christ

 

[Matthias]

it’s a valid Christian creed with the authority of Jesus Christ

It is a creed of your church. Jesus Christ has not given your church authority to teach against his God.

 

[theefaith]

It is a creed of your church. Jesus Christ has not given your church authority to teach against his God.

and it don’t!

 

[Matthias]

and it don’t!

A one-person God isn’t a three-person God.

Jesus Christ’s God is only one person.

Your creed’s God is three persons.

Your creed’s God isn’t Jesus Christ’s God.

Jesus Christ’s God is my God, and your creed teaches against us.

There is no God besides Jesus Christ’s / my God.

Your creed says that there is.

Jesus Christ neither subscribes to your creed nor authorized it. Neither do I subscribe to it.

 

[Matthias]

and it don’t!

A creed which opposes one person whose God is not the Trinity is a creed which opposes all persons whose God is not the Trinity.

 

[theefaith]

A one-person God isn’t a three-person God.

Jesus Christ’s God is only one person.

Your creed’s God is three persons.

Your creed’s God isn’t Jesus Christ’s God.

Jesus Christ’s God is my God, and your creed teaches against us.

There is no God besides Jesus Christ’s / my God.

Your creed says that there is.

Jesus Christ neither subscribes to your creed nor authorized it. Neither do I subscribe to it.

It is a mystery!

One divine nature
Three divine persons

the father is God
The son is God
The HS is God

but there are not three Gods but only one God, not three Lords but one Lord!

We could excuse your mistaken concept or confused concept but we cannot excuse the obedience you owe to Jesus Christ the king!

 

[Matthias]

It is a mystery!

One divine nature
Three divine persons

the father is God
The son is God
The HS is God

but there are not three Gods but only one God, not three Lords but one Lord!

You haven’t presented a description of Jesus Christ’s God, and there is no mystery about a one-person God not being a three-person God.

We could excuse your mistaken concept or confused concept …

Jesus Christ’s concept is unitarian. He is a Jew, not a trinitarian. His God is only one person, the Father.

…but we cannot excuse the obedience you owe to Jesus Christ the king!

 

[theefaith]

You haven’t presented a description of Jesus Christ’s God, and there is no mystery about a one-person God not being a three-person God.



Jesus Christ’s concept is unitarian. He is a Jew, not a trinitarian. His God is only one person, the Father.

and obedience to the kings ministers is obedience to the king

example would be Joseph under pharaoh and his brother were subject to his in obedience

 

[Matthias]

and obedience to the kings ministers is obedience to the king

example would be Joseph under pharaoh and his brother were subject to his in obedience

That’s right.

 

[theefaith]

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

who is this referring too?

 

[Matthias]

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

who is this referring too?

Jesus of Nazareth, not the Trinity.

When we see and hear Jesus of Nazareth we see and hear his God in him.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus of Nazareth, not the Trinity.

When we see and hear Jesus of Nazareth we see and hear his God in him.

Sabellianism or theological modalism. Condemned as heresy, Modalism is the belief that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different modes of God, as opposed to a Trinitarian view of three distinct persons within the Godhead.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus of Nazareth, not the Trinity.

When we see and hear Jesus of Nazareth we see and hear his God in him.

God was manifested in the flesh

the incarnation of the second person of the trinity!

btw re-incarnation is when you come back as a flower! Lol!

 

[Matthias]

God was manifested in the flesh

“God” is the Messiah’s God and Father.

the incarnation of the second person of the trinity!

Trinitarianism.

Jesus of Nazareth isn’t a trinitarian.

btw re-incarnation is when you come back as a flower! Lol!

 

[Matthias]

Sabellianism or theological modalism. Condemned as heresy, Modalism is the belief that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different modes of God, as opposed to a Trinitarian view of three distinct persons within the Godhead.

I’m just as opposed to Sabellianism as I am trinitarianism.

Jesus of Nazareth is neither a Sabellian nor a trinitarian.

 

[theefaith]

Is it possible for three unique distinct persons to share the same human nature???

 

[Matthias]

Is it possible for three unique distinct persons to share the same human nature???

Are you talking about the Trinity?

 

[theefaith]

“God” is the Messiah’s God and Father.



Trinitarianism.

Jesus of Nazareth isn’t a trinitarian.

modalism is a heresy condemned by the authority of Christ in apostolic council
Bound on earth Matt 16:18-19
Matt 18:18