What makes a doctrine false?
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Hiddenthings
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…For those who truly grasp it, the message is this: “The time is fulfilled, the kingdom of God has drawn near; repent and believe the gospel.”
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What is the difference between the gospel to the Jews and the gospel to the gentiles?
There is a biblical warning about not preaching any OTHER gospel. But it seems that there was a gospel message to the Jews and a gospel message to the gentiles. Because the two audiences were completely different. - The Jews, of course were expecting a Messiah. The gentiles weren't. - The Jews...
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soberxp
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What makes a doctrine false?
A doctrine that bears no coherence at all with the Bible and is unrelated to many matters arranged by God in the scriptures must be a false teaching.
A doctrine that bears no coherence at all with the Bible and is unrelated to many matters arranged by God in the scriptures must be a false teaching.
It seems to me that a doctrine like that would not be dangerous at all. No one would beieve it.
What about a doctrine that appears to be coherent with the Bible and is related to many matters arranged by God in the scriptures?
Seems that would be MORE dangerous. That even the Elect would be deceived.
soberxp
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In my view, it seems that what God established from the beginning has never changed. People often inadvertently forget the foundational teachings of God’s word, turning what should be a highly coherent instruction into something fragmented.
Put another way, every step of God’s plan aligns perfectly with His purpose. None of His teachings deviate from His original design, and His holistic perspective and meticulous attention to detail are truly awe-inspiring.
Human beings, however, do not approach matters in this way. Instead, they often start from a particular point, and as a result, human teachings frequently diverge from many of God’s arrangements. This may seem harmless on the surface, but it leads to a dangerous outcome when it comes to understanding the Bible. It causes people to have only a superficial or partial grasp of its truths.
I wouldn't venture to say.
But when a thread begins in a manner such as this, I have a very strong suspicion that I'm about to hear one, if not two or three of them.
I seem to recall a group of religious leaders from the time of Christ, who also did a great deal of obsessing over doctrines. What were they called again? Brood of something or another... whitewashed... hmm, it'll come to me... children of the...?
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St. SteVen said:
What makes a doctrine false?
Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.
1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)
2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)
3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)
4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)
Notice that they are all loaded questions.
What makes a doctrine false?
Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.
1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)
2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)
3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)
4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)
Most readers don't notice, but none of the seven reasons in the OP list above are good reasons.
Notice that they are all loaded questions.
Its a christian forum, i presume as I do with firearms, that all questions are loaded.
Fortunately I'm warring the Helmet of Free Salvation and Complimentary Breastplate of Righteousness.
soberxp
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God established everything from the beginning, but people have focused more on the later contents of the Bible, forgetting that the foundation of all things was already laid in those seemingly simple words.
Hiddenthings
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Yes, and John chapter one points back to the beginning and introduces us to the Logos/logic/reason/plan for humankind.
The Logos became flesh and dwelt among us.
'... ... For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel;
for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also
be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
whose end shall be according to their works.'
(2Cor. 11:13-15)
Hello @soberxp,
The only thing wrong with this, is that in order to deceive. it would be necessary to be so close to the truth as to be counterfeit. If a doctrine as you say, 'bears no coherence at all with the Bible' then it is not going to fool anyone. No! Deceivers will use 'good words' and 'fair speeches' to 'deceive the hearts of the simple' (Rom. 16:18). Such deceivers will use 'cunning craftiness' (Eph. 4:14) and the 'sleight of men' (which brings to mind the role of a conjurer, or one who does card tricks, using 'sleight of hand', moving swiftly and subtilty, using distraction, and trickery. They will use 'vain (or empty) words' (Eph. 5:6), and have' a form of godliness' but 'deny the power thereof' ( 2 Tim. 3:5)
'This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves,
covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce,
despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:
from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses,
and lead captive silly women laden with sins,
led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses,
so do these also resist the truth:
men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
But they shall proceed no further:
for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
(2Tim. 3:1-9)
* Jannes and Jambres (Exo. 7:11, 22; Exo. 8:7, 18-19; Exo. 9:11 )
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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soberxp
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The one gospel - What is it?
A follow-up to a previous topic: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-the-gospel-to-the-jews-and-the-gospel-to-the-gentiles.74212/ Respondents had great difficulty in defining what the one gospel is. Disagreeing with me that there were many gospels, they...
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Hello @St. SteVen,New topic:
The one gospel - What is it?
A follow-up to a previous topic: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-the-gospel-to-the-jews-and-the-gospel-to-the-gentiles.74212/ Respondents had great difficulty in defining what the one gospel is. Disagreeing with me that there were many gospels, they...
At His conversion, the risen Lord told Paul that He would appear unto Him again:-
'And I said, Who art thou, Lord?
And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
But rise, and stand upon thy feet:
for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,
to make thee a minister and a witness
1) both of these things which thou hast seen,
2) and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Delivering thee from the people,
and from the Gentiles,
unto whom now I send thee,
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light,
and from the power of Satan unto God,
that they may receive forgiveness of sins,
and inheritance among them which are sanctified
by faith that is in me.'
(Act 26:15-18)
The gospel which Paul was called to preach in the latter part of his ministry was 'The Gospel of The Grace of God'. (Acts 20:24). The first reference to which is not found until the end of the forty years covered by the book of Acts, when Paul was on his way to Jerusalem, where he would be arrested and become 'The Lord's Prisoner' for the Gentiles.
'And now, behold, I go bound in the spirit unto Jerusalem,
not knowing the things that shall befall me there:
Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city,
saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
But none of these things move me,
neither count I my life dear unto myself,
so that I might finish my course with joy,
and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus,
to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
And now, behold, I know that ye all,
among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God,
shall see my face no more.'
(Act 20:22-25)
This good news is found in the epistles written by Paul during his imprisonment. Namely, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. Written to those who were both 'saints' and 'faithful', not the unsaved.
Many are saved through the witness testimonies of those recorded in John's gospel record, such as John the Baptist, Nathaniel, Peter and the others, who witnessed concerning the Person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, which John tells us was written for the following reason.:-
'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life
through His Name.'
(Joh 20:30-31)
Praise God!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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I agree.
I don't think the gospel is for the unsaved.
The one gospel - What is it?
A follow-up to a previous topic: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-the-gospel-to-the-jews-and-the-gospel-to-the-gentiles.74212/ Respondents had great difficulty in defining what the one gospel is. Disagreeing with me that there were many gospels, they...
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Hiddenthings
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Have you stopped searching for it?New topic:
The one gospel - What is it?
A follow-up to a previous topic: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-the-gospel-to-the-jews-and-the-gospel-to-the-gentiles.74212/ Respondents had great difficulty in defining what the one gospel is. Disagreeing with me that there were many gospels, they...
The original Gospel as taught by the Apostles.
