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I am just finishing up Francis Collins book, The Language of God. I enjoyed reading a book by a respected scientist regarding evolution and Christianity.
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Uh, if you want to know what archaeology says about the length of time that humans have been on the Earth, then you ask archaeologists about it. That is why I made reference to archaeology periodicals. Of course, I could also make reference to Encyclopedia Britannica.Rex said:
According to all of the archaeological literature that I have read, humans have been on the Earth for much longer than 10,000 years.
I know what they believe and teach we were talking about the amount of evidence, remember that talking point?Dodo_David said:
Yet, you have not provided evidence that archaeologists are wrong about the length of time that humans have been on Earth.Rex said:
What I said was their evidence is sparse, as in very little.Dodo_David said:
Were just wasting band width and server space, your changing or trying to imply something I didn't say is just not working.
So have the last word and good bye
John S said:
Since God says He tells us the end from the beginning then just as there was the chosen of God whom God created being Adam Spirit filled and ALIVE, there were also the believing nations just as their will be in the end in new earth to come. We are being restored to be a spiritual perfect man in Christ just as Adam was in the beginning before he died to the Spirit due to disobedience.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
KJV
Rev 21:22-24
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
KJV
Jerusalem is and always will be the capital of the earth. She is the birth place of all the children of God, yet not all are chosen to inherit the kingdom of God as in kings and priests of God who rule in righteousness & keep the Word Alive in the earth. So the MEEK shall inherit the earth outside of the Bride.
The Elect shall rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 yrs in the millennium, this is the first resurrection. And after the 1,000 yrs comes the GWT Judgment where all come back to life and go to their CHOSEN destination decided according to their actions in this life. Some will be the MEEK saved nations.. others will go into the lake of fire.
And might I add:
2 Peter 3:5-8
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
KJV
Do some research on fossilized human footprints found within dinosaur footprints, both dated at the same time. They've been found in the American west and in Europe.John S said:
Science dates the time of the dinosaurs back to around 65 milliion years ago, at the time the fossil record shows some cataclysmic event where all life was destroyed. There is a gap in the fossil record which separates the time of extinct prehistoric species from later species after life sprung up again. One can visit places like Wyoming Dinosaur Center in Thermopolis, Wyoming and see a variety of extinct dinosaur species.
That is not evidence that man has made up, it is evidence which our Heavenly Father left us.
The gap in the fossil record coincides with the unknown gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and the destruction God brought upon the ancient earth per Jeremiah 4:23-28.
Per the Hebrew manuscripts of Gen.1:26-27, God created 'mankind' (i.e., many peoples), AND... a specific Adam that He placed in His Garden to till the soil, BOTH on His 6th day. There's a distinction between 'aadam' with no Hebrew article and particle vs. 'eth ha aadam' with the article and particle. It's the difference between 'mankind' in general vs. a specific man.John S said:
There is NO evidence for climate effects creating the races. When the American Indians crossed the Bering Straight into North America, they lived in northern areas in stages and over many years slowly migrated southward. Yet their features did not become White, just as the features of remnants of them (like Eskimos) did not change either. The idea that climate formed the races is evolutionary hype.
The Neanderthal man was a hoax --
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/feb/19/science.sciencenews
6000 years is actually a very long time .... plenty could happen in that amount of time
If we humans even try to consider how long a million years is ...... we cannot even comprehend it ..... let alone a hundred million years .... or 43 billion years.
There is no reason everything could not have happened in 6000 years ....
It was the atheist evolutionists who came up with the millions of years scenario .... it was the only way they could make things work without a creator.
If we humans even try to consider how long a million years is ...... we cannot even comprehend it ..... let alone a hundred million years .... or 43 billion years.
There is no reason everything could not have happened in 6000 years ....
It was the atheist evolutionists who came up with the millions of years scenario .... it was the only way they could make things work without a creator.
"There is no reason why everything could not have happened in 6000 years" - except it didn't.
Day 5 - God created the animals like the dinosaurs, which was followed by their extinction and then the rise of the mammals.
Day 6 - God created Adam and Eve and the rest of mankind.
Day 7 - Still to come.
I would rather believe evolution, with God as the artist, then this non-factual 6000 year stuff, which has absolutely no basis in history, archeology, or anythng else.
Day 5 - God created the animals like the dinosaurs, which was followed by their extinction and then the rise of the mammals.
Day 6 - God created Adam and Eve and the rest of mankind.
Day 7 - Still to come.
I would rather believe evolution, with God as the artist, then this non-factual 6000 year stuff, which has absolutely no basis in history, archeology, or anythng else.
John S said:
Where's the evidence for the extinction of dinosaurs on God's 5th day? It is not there in His Word, although His Word does cover about their extinction, just not on the 5th day, but much earlier than the 5th day, like even before... the 1st day.
That's very LAUGHABLE!Dodo_David said:
Nice try though...
Even secular science does not want to believe in the existence of those perfect human arch footprints dated at the same... time as fossilized dinosaur footprints about 65 million years ago. Yet even secular scientists have been forced to admit they exist. They recognize their existence, and their dating with dinosaurs, they simply just choose NOT to heed it, just like you.
People like that will always exist. You can put a piece of dung in their hand, and they'll smell of it and say it smells like dung, feel of it and say it feels like dung, but then turn right around and say it's not dung.
Since you are an American Christian, you should have at least a cursory knowledge of what the LDS believes so as to counter the deception. I'll give you a crash course because it pertains to my racial heritage. In the Book of Mormon, there were 2 lost tribes of Israel that came to America by ship. The righteous Nephites descended from Nephi who was a character much like Joseph, specially chosen by God and despised by his brothers. War broke out between the Nephites and the wicked Lamanites. God "cursed the (Lamanites) with blackness of skin" so that the "fair skinned children of God" could be distinguished from the wicked by their very skin color. It's their belief that American Indians descended from the cursed Lamanites.John S said:
I try not to take offense.
But I brought up the flood to introduce a problem for the Christian Identity movement that claims a superior Adamic race. In order for their theory to be airtight, Noah and his sons would have to be white, and the flood wiped out all those in the region, but didn't wipe out all of mankind which explains why there are still colored people.
And yes, Adam and Eve were white because it takes generations of being exposed to harsh sunlight to develop a protective layer of melanin. Melanin toning is regressive mutation, but it's not how we started.
Now to the next question. Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?
Since you are an American Christian, you should have at least a cursory knowledge of what the LDS believes so as to counter the deception. I'll give you a crash course because it pertains to my racial heritage. In the Book of Mormon, there were 2 lost tribes of Israel that came to America by ship. The righteous Nephites descended from Nephi who was a character much like Joseph, specially chosen by God and despised by his brothers. War broke out between the Nephites and the wicked Lamanites. God "cursed the (Lamanites) with blackness of skin" so that the "fair skinned children of God" could be distinguished from the wicked by their very skin color. It's their belief that American Indians descended from the cursed Lamanites.John S said:
I try not to take offense.
But I brought up the flood to introduce a problem for the Christian Identity movement that claims a superior Adamic race. In order for their theory to be airtight, Noah and his sons would have to be white, and the flood wiped out all those in the region, but didn't wipe out all of mankind which explains why there are still colored people.
And yes, Adam and Eve were white because it takes generations of being exposed to harsh sunlight to develop a protective layer of melanin. Melanin toning is regressive mutation, but it's not how man started.
Now to the next question. Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?
John S said:
That would... be laughable if it were true. Problem is, the days past Gen.1:2 are about a restoration of the earth, not original creation. The original creation was back at Genesis 1:1, just like that verse says...
Gen 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(KJV)
Thing is, no one really knows just how far back that "beginning" really was.
TVOT - If people believe that nonsense, then I feel sorry for them. As I said, I doubt that Adam and Eve were white.
I would be more inclined to believe that their bodies were filled entirely with hair than to believe that they were white.
I also don't subscribe to any notions of racial superiority by one color or another. Why should I? - God doesn't.
veteran - So you're saying that many millions of years occurred between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2?
Who teaches such stuff?
I would be more inclined to believe that their bodies were filled entirely with hair than to believe that they were white.
I also don't subscribe to any notions of racial superiority by one color or another. Why should I? - God doesn't.
veteran - So you're saying that many millions of years occurred between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2?
Who teaches such stuff?
So, you are admitting that humans have been on Earth for much longer than 10,000 years, since the dinosaurs became extinct more than 50 million years ago.veteran said:
The bibleJB_ said:
What he's saying is in Gen 1:27 God created all the different races, then later he created Adam and Eve, end result = Adams race though Seth ect is saved; the humans from Gen 1:27 are not. In the mean time they mixed there genes Gen 6:2 ect, the end result being God preserving the supreme race through Noah and Abraham.......... Heil Hitler.
Here is what everybody fails to consider ....... how did they (geologists & archeologists) come up with their dating process in the first place ???
You will find they pretty much made it up as they went along ... counting layers and assigning an age to them however they saw fit
In another place I mentioned ice core samples scientists measured at 18,000 years turned out to be only 50 years actual
Too many people just assume the scientists have an accurate method to determine age ..... they do not .... and never have ..... I have old science books that date things in the thousands of years .... and in modern science books those same things are now said to be millions of years old.
It is not wrong to question science. They go on a lot of assumptions .... and assumptions are not the same as factual evidence.
You will find they pretty much made it up as they went along ... counting layers and assigning an age to them however they saw fit
In another place I mentioned ice core samples scientists measured at 18,000 years turned out to be only 50 years actual
Too many people just assume the scientists have an accurate method to determine age ..... they do not .... and never have ..... I have old science books that date things in the thousands of years .... and in modern science books those same things are now said to be millions of years old.
It is not wrong to question science. They go on a lot of assumptions .... and assumptions are not the same as factual evidence.
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