What sign is the Occupy Wall Street movement for us?

[veteran]

Free press websites like Worldnetdaily news (which has a Washington press pass) have been slowly establishing some questionable links to globalists with the Occupy movement that's been going on, not just in the U.S., but in other countries also.

For us Christians, what signs does that movement reveal for us?

 

[tomwebster]

Free press websites like Worldnetdaily news (which has a Washington press pass) have been slowly establishing some questionable links to globalists with the Occupy movement that's been going on, not just in the U.S., but in other countries also.

For us Christians, what signs does that movement reveal for us?

Swarming

 

[Sigourney welborn]

For world unions to form there must be a destablization and collapse of national goverments, I believe this is pointing to the rise of the Antichrist.

 

[pompadour]

The seas and the waves roaring. ( seas and oceans = people )
Pomp.

 

[veteran]

I very much believe what God's Word declares for the end today leading up to Christ's return. I don't think it a mistake that many of those in that movement are declaring the need for a world currency. Establishing of a world currency seems to be too early still.

 

[aspen]

Free press websites like Worldnetdaily news (which has a Washington press pass) have been slowly establishing some questionable links to globalists with the Occupy movement that's been going on, not just in the U.S., but in other countries also.

For us Christians, what signs does that movement reveal for us?

How about........stop supporting the current finacial system that robs from the middle class and provides for global corporations?

 

[veteran]

How about........stop supporting the current finacial system that robs from the middle class and provides for global corporations?

I don't support that specific deficit spending system opposite a gold standard that world Socialists took over a long time ago, even before we were born.

 

[pompadour]

Aspen, what should we replace it with?............... A mark on our hand or our forehead ?......no mater what monetary system you can come up with, it must be controlled by some one, wealth elite, a government, the antichrist.... ( Power corrupts, absolutely power corrupts absolutely ) Jesus will be here soon, He will fix it all.... but until then, it's going to get ugly.
Pomp.

 

[Foreigner]

How about........stop supporting the current finacial system that robs from the middle class and provides for global corporations?

-- Complaining about something like that without providing a viable alternative is self-defeating.

And the whole "redistribution of wealth" (translation: socialism) has never worked, although it has been tried many times.

Taking money from those that have earned it in order to give it to those who haven't is a two-fold problem:
It takes away the incentive for those who earn to work harder and those on the receiving end to work at all.

Margaret Thatcher was right when she said, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."




And the whole "We are the 99%" is farcical.

The top 1% is people making $350,000/year or more. Not just "millionaires and billionaires."

There are a large number of non-Wall Street people making $350,000 a year.

The vast majority of people working on Wall-Street make nowhere NEAR $350,000/year.

But those that do include Doctors. Lawyers. Entertainers, athletes, many independent business owners, CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, and COOs of non-monetary, non-investment, non-finance related businesses, etc. etc. etc.

The "99%ers" encompasses people making $349,000/year and below. Does it look like those protestors are really representatives of those making say $70,000 to $349,000 a year? Not even close.

And if you want to be angry at Wall Street's influence, you should be picketing the White House.

Barack Obama has received more campaign contributions than any other candidate in history. And he is STILL receiving checks from them, even as he gives a wink to the protestors.

 

[aspen]

Aspen, what should we replace it with?............... A mark on our hand or our forehead ?......no mater what monetary system you can come up with, it must be controlled by some one, wealth elite, a government, the antichrist.... ( Power corrupts, absolutely power corrupts absolutely ) Jesus will be here soon, He will fix it all.... but until then, it's going to get ugly.
Pomp.

You mean the mark that was used by Rome to identify a slave? No, I do not think that will help us today. I am not suggesting that our financial system will ever be free of corruption or that there is a better system - all I am saying is that people have the right to protest and it is right to oppose tyranny in all forms.

-- Complaining about something like that without providing a viable alternative is self-defeating.

And the whole "redistribution of wealth" (translation: socialism) has never worked, although it has been tried many times.

Taking money from those that have earned it in order to give it to those who haven't is a two-fold problem:
It takes away the incentive for those who earn to work harder and those on the receiving end to work at all.

Margaret Thatcher was right when she said, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."




And the whole "We are the 99%" is farcical.

The top 1% is people making $350,000/year or more. Not just "millionaires and billionaires."

There are a large number of non-Wall Street people making $350,000 a year.

The vast majority of people working on Wall-Street make nowhere NEAR $350,000/year.

But those that do include Doctors. Lawyers. Entertainers, athletes, many independent business owners, CEOs, CIOs, CFOs, and COOs of non-monetary, non-investment, non-finance related businesses, etc. etc. etc.

The "99%ers" encompasses people making $349,000/year and below. Does it look like those protestors are really representatives of those making say $70,000 to $349,000 a year? Not even close.

And if you want to be angry at Wall Street's influence, you should be picketing the White House.

Barack Obama has received more campaign contributions than any other candidate in history. And he is STILL receiving checks from them, even as he gives a wink to the protestors.

Why are you defending the rich? I am really curious?

I am also interested in the incidents of wealth being redistributed 'many times' - name a few.

I do not think that the protesters are opposed to picketing the White House.

Seems to me that there is a double standard in play - it's ok for the Tea Party to protest the White House for pressuring the rich to pay taxes, but not ok for the poor and people with 100s of thousands of dollars in school debt to protest? Why is this?

Hear is an interesting fact:


PBS
This Day in History: On this day in 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt introduced the Civil Works Administration, a component of his New Deal that helped America pull through the Great Depression of the 1930s by creating millions of construction jobs for unemployed Americans.

 

[Foreigner]

Why are you defending the rich? I am really curious?

-- Because being "rich" doesn't mean you made your money illegally, "crushed the little man" to get it, haven't done your part, or don't deserve what you have earned.
Yes, there are some dirtbags, but as I said, there are scores who earned what they made and pay their fair share in taxes.

The top 1% pays 38% of all taxes
The top 10% pays 70%.
Half of all Americans pay no income taxes.

A blanket condemnation of this group serves no one.

I am also interested in the incidents of wealth being redistributed 'many times' - name a few.

-- The latest is in Venezuela. Food shortages. Hoarding. Supression and jailing of opposition. Closing of opposition newspapers and TV stations.
Nationalizing (stealing) of foreign resources in the country.

I am curious if you can name one society (short of a monarchy) where it HAS worked.

I do not think that the protesters are opposed to picketing the White House.

-- Then why don't they? I am not making this up.
A simple Google search shows that Obama has collected (and is currently collecting) more campaign contributions from Wall Street than any other politician in history.

Seems to me that there is a double standard in play - it's ok for the Tea Party to protest the White House for pressuring the rich to pay taxes, but not ok for the poor and people with 100s of thousands of dollars in school debt to protest? Why is this?

-- I do not recall any Tea Party protests outside the White House, but as you said, that is a person's right.
The Tea Party has never protested the White house for pressuring the rich to pay taxes. And unlike OWS, they have done it peacefully and with no criminal activity.

The Tea Party HAVE protested about government waste, politicians not doing the will of the people, opposition to ObamaCare, etc. but NOT about pressuring the rich to pay taxes. The rich ALREADY pay taxes. As I said, the top 1% already pay 38% of all taxes.

As far as "100s of thousands of dollars in school debt" I find that a specious argument.
First off, it is about personal responsibility. You sign to accept a loan, paying it back at such-and-such percentage over such-and-such number of years. Same as a car loan or a mortgage. NO ONE was surpised at the size of their loan or how much it would cost to pay back.

Second, I worked my way through college. I had one scholarship for $1500.00 which covered less than one quarter. I worked as a salesman at a discount store while going to classes. I saved my road construction money from over the summer, etc. etc. etc.
It took four years and four months, but I graduated. No college loans. No money from the folks. Nothing.

College loans are not a "rite of passage" in order to graduate from college.
Also, if you are set on using loans, put them towards a major that will actually help pay them back.
$70,000 in loans to get a History or Women's Study or Music degree is hardly going to afford you the opportunity to stay on top of your payments.
If you have to take a quarter off to work flipping burgers it will help you pay cash, not ring up huge loans, and you will actually have some work experience to put on your first resume' after college.

Those whining about their college loans are the same ones who willfully signed up for those loans.
My sympathy meter pegs out at zero for those guys. It's called 'responsibility.'

Hear is an interesting fact:


PBS
This Day in History: On this day in 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt introduced the Civil Works Administration, a component of his New Deal that helped America pull through the Great Depression of the 1930s by creating millions of construction jobs for unemployed Americans.

-- And if Mr. Obama had used more than 6% of his initial $780 Billion "Jobs Stimulus" for necessary infrastructure work (bridges, roads, dams, etc.) instead of the tripe it actually went to, then his promise of it ensuring that unemployment would not exceed 8% might have actually turned out to be true.

As it is, unemployment has been at or above 9% for 28 of the last 30 months.
The...Longest...Stretch...Since...The...Great...Depression.

Still, I find it strange that you would select FDR as a role model since his failed policies extended the Depression for the United States seven years longer than it should have been:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

If it wasn't for WWII, it would have taken even longer.

 

[veteran]

Based on what I've discovered about the Occupy movement so far, it is a radical movement of the Left to push for a global one-world currency system, one that globalists have been planning for a long time. For us, it's another sign of how the Rev.13:1 beast system is a lot closer to completion than many have once thought. It is time for us to get our house in order.

 

[popeye]

For us Christians, what signs does that movement ( occupy wall street ) reveal for us?

Absolutely nothing, other than maybe Luke 21:25:

" ...and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring:..."

Of course water in the Bible is a common metaphor for large groups of people, and if applied here, would mean the populations of the earth and nations are "roaring" with discontentment.

 

[[email protected]]

Free press websites like Worldnetdaily news (which has a Washington press pass) have been slowly establishing some questionable links to globalists with the Occupy movement that's been going on, not just in the U.S., but in other countries also.

For us Christians, what signs does that movement reveal for us?

Generally speaking the Occupy movement is a symptom of political unrest: a weakening power base and popular discontent.

One hundred years ago, such groups were called anarcists.

The American political system is broken and the anarchistic behavior is a knee jerk response to it.
Globally, the world system is rapidly being torn apart. Nobody disagrees with that assessment. It's that bad.

What will replace it? Something better or something worse?

 

[veteran]

It could serve as a sign for a coming major global change between nations, of course more closer to globalist's ideals of a one world government.

 

[aspen]

It sure must be confusing to be a conspiracy theorist and a Christian! All the goals of Christianity - sharing the gospel and spreading the Kingdom of God on Earth are derailed by fear of a One World Government and the antichrist......

Better not love too much - it might be humanistic!
Better not get along with your neighbor - you might be compromising the truth or loving the World!
Better not buy into any government programs that favor the poor or seems to promote kindness - it has to be the Beast power disguised as goodness!

 

[biggandyy]

Careful asspen... your judgmentalism is showing again...

 

[aspen]

Careful asspen... your judgmentalism is showing again...

Just naming behavior, BigAssndy

 

[rockytopva]

This to me is the sign of the black horseman of the apocalypse...

1. White Horseman - Democracy
2. Red Horseman - Communist
3. *Black Horseman - Islam
4. Pale Horseman - The Anti-Christ

* A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. - Rev 6:6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXO8Y0vvWT0

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, veteran.

They are the sign of economic unrest in the USA. There may not be a seal or a trumpet associated with the events, but they ARE a sign that the people are dissatisfied with the state of the US economy (and that of the world). The problem, though, is blaming their problems on the "rich." The problem lies with EVERY LAST PERSON who borrows against the future to buy something in the present! Like it or not, we are our OWN worst enemies! Only those who live within their means are those who can legitimately blame someone else. The ugly truth is, though, that there are very few who live within their means! A few won't run up their credit card bills every Christmas, but try to find someone who can buy a house outright without taking out a 30-year mortgage!

It doesn't hurt to be like Theodore Roosevelt in 1903 and be a Muckraker or a Trust Buster! We DO need to break the special interest groups, the unions, the lobbyists and the dealers-under-the-table who have our country in a choke hold! The strangle-hold that the unions have upon our nation, with all of their requirements for flat-rate salaries for those who are union-members have forced many companies to take their business elsewhere and have moved their manufacturing and warehousing overseas. However, one has to be sure that he or she is blaming the right individual or group!

On the other hand, real growth comes from positive progress, rather than just kicking against the negative setbacks.

Remember the movie "Armageddon" starring Bruce Willis? There was a scene where the hero Harry Stamper (Bruce Willis) said to the statement, "Perhaps you will recognize the design," "Well, I ought to recognized it; it's my design! What'd you do? Steal the keys to the Patent Office?" And Truman replied, "Yeah, basically."

I submit that we need to "steal the keys" to the U.S. Patent Office and release some of the patents that are currently being suppressed, such as the inventions by Nikola Tesla.

He was a man before his time and scared such investors as J.P. Morgan so badly that they buried his work. They accomplished this so completely, that today's physics books and even the Weast Handbook of Chemistry and Physics barely mention the man!

We must inform the world about Nikola Tesla (1856-1943), who was NOT a “Russian inventor,” as my Physics book claims (even going so far as to change his first name to “Nicolai”), but was an Austro-Hungarian (Croatian) genius and inventor who dreamed of a new world of free energy made available to all! (The label “Russian” has been used as a scare tactic in the U.S. from the 1940s throughout the “Cold War” era to discredit individuals.)

He invented the Tesla coil and the free-energy, magnifying transmitter with an energy receiver tuned to the same frequency, and an electric car powered by such an energy receiver (or possibly based on a “gravity stressing energy")!

There’s no need or EXCUSE for America, or the world for that matter, to be on the brink of financial ruin! The power brokers MUST themselves be broken! We don't need to be dependent on oil or on OPEC or on electric companies any more than we need to be dependent on the Federal Reserve Bank!

That's my opinion.