WHAT THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS AND THE MEANING OF 666

[brakelite]

There is no way that the papacy can be equated with the Antichrist.

I have proved otherwise.
The Criteria of Antichrist.

 

[Enoch111]

I have proved otherwise.
The Criteria of Antichrist.

You believe you have proved this but that does not mean that the papacy is the Antichrist.

One would need to bring all the prophecies regarding the Man of Sin together to see that this man is a Jew who has access to the future temple in Jerusalem in order to set up the Abomination of Desolation and also declare himself to be God, while blaspheming God. Here is the key to understanding this (Dan 11:36-38):

And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

There is no pope who has fitted (or will fit) this description.

 

[Phoneman777]

There is no way that the papacy can be equated with the Antichrist. The Pope may turn out to be his ally, but the Antichrist must be a renegade Jew claiming to be Messiah and having access to the future temple at Jerusalem.

There is no way that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast, or paper currency is the Mark of the Beast. That mark will be a literal *brand* on those who submit to the Antichrist. It will probably be an electronic chip implanted in the right hand or in the forehead (Rev 13:16-18)

The Antichrist must arise within the church, not outside, which is what a renegade Jew would be.

Also, the "future temple" is not future, but the present "church" -the New Testament "temple of God".

Furthermore, the Mark has to do with God's law, since those who do not get the Mark are said to be keeping it.

Finally, only a fool would allow an implanted device to stand between them and eternal life with Jesus. If the Mark were indeed a chip, I'd use even a rusty knife if necessary to dig it out - temporary tetanus is better than permanent perdition.

 

[Phoneman777]

Fiat currency is the only thing that fulfills all the characteristics of the mark of the beast,

1. You cannot buy or sell without it.
2. It is used everywhere in the world.
3. It is issued to everyone rich and poor, small and great.
4. It is an abomination because through its lack of intrinsic value, which the bankers leverage devaluation and inflation with, thus making it a false quantity, which is forbidden in the Torah.

Whoever denies this in favor for RFID chips and 666 tattoos fantasies, or Sunday worship nonsense, is truly an idiot. He's waiting for something that's never going to happen, because its already here, because he has failed to perceive that the prophecies in Revelation regarding this are symbolic, not realizing that the fiat currency he's already using daily is that mark, because it is an abomination according to the Torah of God. It is actually because many of you people do not know the commands of the Torah of God that you fail to identify the mark of the beast, which is why it is written, "keep the commandments of God and have the belief of Yeshuah".... the commandments of God are found in the Torah. Your own lawlessness prevents you from perceiving the truth, which is why you cannot perceive the evil of fiat currency.

The problem with your "beast is a currency" idea is that there's no Biblical precedent for it. What we do have as a precedent is the symbol of a "beast" interpreted as a "kingdom"...several times. And the only kingdom to fit all the identifying marks of prophecy's Antichrist is the papacy.

 

[Phoneman777]

Fulfill means no longer required, no longer in effect.

So, when Jesus told John the Baptist, "Suffer it (Jesus' baptism) to be so, for it becomes us to fulfill all righteousness", that means "righteousness" is no longer required, no longer in effect, right?

Romans 6:16 says otherwise. So do a host of other NT Scriptures. "Fulfill the law" means to keep it, not erase it, for "where there is no law, there is no sin". Is there still sin? Then there is still a law that points out sin, for you can't have sin (lawbreaking) without a law firmly in place to break, right?

 

[Phoneman777]

It is actually because many of you people do not know the commands of the Torah of God that you fail to identify the mark of the beast, which is why it is written, "keep the commandments of God and have the belief of Yeshuah".... the commandments of God are found in the Torah. Your own lawlessness prevents you from perceiving the truth, which is why you cannot perceive the evil of fiat currency.

That's a pretty bold statement. What are the commands of the "Torah"?

 

[brakelite]

You believe you have proved this but that does not mean that the papacy is the Antichrist.

One would need to bring all the prophecies regarding the Man of Sin together to see that this man is a Jew who has access to the future temple in Jerusalem in order to set up the Abomination of Desolation and also declare himself to be God, while blaspheming God. Here is the key to understanding this (Dan 11:36-38):

And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

There is no pope who has fitted (or will fit) this description.

You are correct...there is no individual pope who has met the prerequisites of this prophecy. But nowhere have I suggested that any individual pope is the Antichrist. The 'beast' for example of Revelation 13:1,2 is a kingdom, not an individual. The man of sin, which Paul said would rise up immediately after his departing, and whose "mystery of lawlessness ' which he embodies would also be destroyed at the second coming. This cannot pertain to any individual, but a succession of individuals, as the reformers believed.
How can you with such certainty write off the explicitly fulfilled criteria that history attests to, while exalting a supposition for which there is no evidence outside of the relatively modern futuristic hermeneutic which was invented by a 16th century Jesuit?

 

[biloqewu]

The problem with your "beast is a currency" idea is that there's no Biblical precedent for it. What we do have as a precedent is the symbol of a "beast" interpreted as a "kingdom"...several times. And the only kingdom to fit all the identifying marks of prophecy's Antichrist is the papacy.

Do you not understand that the Torah and the prophets say,

You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measures of length or weight or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah, and an honest hin: I am Yehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.
Leviticus 19:35-36

You shall not have in your bag two kinds of weights, a large and a small. You shall not have in your house two kinds of measures, a large and a small. A full and honest weight you shall have, a full and honest ephah you shall have, that your days may be long in the land that Yehovah your God is giving you. For all who do such things, all who behave unrighteously, are an abomination to Yehovah your God.
Deuteronomy 25:13-16

A false balance is an abomination to Yehovah, but an honest weight is his delight.
Proverbs 11:1

Unequal weights and unequal measures are both alike an abomination to Yehovah.
Proverbs 20:10

You shall use honest scales, a just ephah, and a just bath. The ephah and the bath shall be the same quantity so that the bath will contain a tenth of a homer, and the ephah a tenth of a homer; the homer will be the standard measure for both. The shekel will consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels will equal one mina.
Ezekiel 45:10-12

Fiat currency is a false quantity. Let me repeat, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. AGAIN, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. ONE MORE TIME, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND AND GET IT IN YOUR HEAD, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. Wake up! And stop being ignorant. The Torah reveals fiat currency to be evil, the mark of the beast according to Revelation in our time, fulfilling all the characteristics of the mark.

 

[biloqewu]

That's a pretty bold statement. What are the commands of the "Torah"?

I just quoted them to you in the last post before this one. Read the commands, and become informed, and stop rejecting the truth that fiat currency is evil.

 

[Enoch111]

Fiat currency is a false quantity.

There is no denying this. But it does not automatically translate into the Mark of the Beast.

 

[Enoch111]

How can you with such certainty write off the explicitly fulfilled criteria that history attests to, while exalting a supposition for which there is no evidence outside of the relatively modern futuristic hermeneutic which was invented by a 16th century Jesuit?

1. Whether a Jesuit was involved in interpreting Scripture is beside the point. We have to go back to the fact that just as Jesus of Nazareth -- a true Jew descended from David-- was the true Messiah, the Antichrist will also be a Jew (a man) in place of, and in opposition to the Christ (which is what Antichristos means). He may even claim descent from David, since Orthodox Jews know the prophecies regarding the Son of David.

2. Jesus of Nazareth did a multitude of genuine miracles to prove that He was indeed the true Messiah, but was rejected. The Antichrist will also do many *lying wonders* -- actual deceptive miracles -- to prove that he is the *true Messiah*, but he will deceive the whole world, and he will not be rejected. That is because God will send strong delusion upon the earth so that the unbelieving and the ungodly will be deceived.

3. God has allocated 3 1/2 years to the absolute reign of the Antichrist and Satan on this earth. So to claim that the Antichrist has been around for nigh on 1,500 years is completely false.

4. The papacy has no interest in the rebuilding of the temple at Jerusalem, neither does it have any interest in the expectation of Orthodox Jews for their Messiah. However Christ told us plainly that the Abomination of Desolation will stand in a future Holy Place within a temple at Jerusalem, and that would trigger the Great Tribulation. None of this has any connection to Rome, since Jerusalem (indeed the temple) will be the seat of the Antichrist.

5. The Lord Jesus Christ also made this prophetic statement about the Antichrist which was addressed to the Jews: I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive (John 5:43). This ties in with Daniel's prophecy in Dan 11:36-38:And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The lexicons indicate that "the god of forces" (wə-le-’ĕ-lō-ah mā-‘uz-zîm) means the god of fortresses, and is a reference to a heathen god. But we know from Revelation 13, that both the dragon (Satan) and the Beast (the Antichrist) will be worshiped throughout the world, so this god of forces can be none other than Satan.

 

[Phoneman777]

Do you not understand that the Torah and the prophets say,

You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measures of length or weight or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah, and an honest hin: I am Yehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.
Leviticus 19:35-36

You shall not have in your bag two kinds of weights, a large and a small. You shall not have in your house two kinds of measures, a large and a small. A full and honest weight you shall have, a full and honest ephah you shall have, that your days may be long in the land that Yehovah your God is giving you. For all who do such things, all who behave unrighteously, are an abomination to Yehovah your God.
Deuteronomy 25:13-16

A false balance is an abomination to Yehovah, but an honest weight is his delight.
Proverbs 11:1

Unequal weights and unequal measures are both alike an abomination to Yehovah.
Proverbs 20:10

You shall use honest scales, a just ephah, and a just bath. The ephah and the bath shall be the same quantity so that the bath will contain a tenth of a homer, and the ephah a tenth of a homer; the homer will be the standard measure for both. The shekel will consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels will equal one mina.
Ezekiel 45:10-12

Fiat currency is a false quantity. Let me repeat, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. AGAIN, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. ONE MORE TIME, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND AND GET IT IN YOUR HEAD, FIAT CURRENCY IS A FALSE QUANTITY. Wake up! And stop being ignorant. The Torah reveals fiat currency to be evil, the mark of the beast according to Revelation in our time, fulfilling all the characteristics of the mark.

Repeating your premise over and over is not a reasonable answer to the direct challenge I've made to it.

Once again, are you able or not to point to a single text in all of Scripture where a "beast" is interpreted by man, angel, or God as "currency" in the same way that I've pointed to Daniel 7:17 and Daniel 7:23 where "beast" is clearly interpreted as "kingdom"?

 

[Phoneman777]

I just quoted them to you in the last post before this one. Read the commands, and become informed, and stop rejecting the truth that fiat currency is evil.

That's interesting because Solomon - the wisest man who ever lived - said "money is a defence"...by implication against hunger, against homelessness, against sickness, etc.

Are you wiser than he in calling it "evil"?

 

[Phoneman777]

One would need to bring all the prophecies regarding the Man of Sin together to see that this man is a Jew...

I've shown you that the Antichrist is NOT ONCE spoken of as arising from outside the church, but from within the church.

...who has access to the future temple in Jerusalem

No "future temple" in Jerusalem -- where the blasphemous sacrificial system resumed therein represents an official "In Your face, Lamb of God!" -- will EVER be recognized by Him or described by anyone under Holy Spirit inspiration as "the temple of God'.

...in order to set up the Abomination of Desolation and also declare himself to be God, while blaspheming God.

To properly understand what is the Abomination of Desolation, let the Bible explain it: The Abomination of Desolation | Free Book Library | Amazing Facts

The primary abomination which previously brought desolation to the "temple of God" in Jerusalem, both the first and second, was disregard for His law and His Sabbath. The "temple of God" that stands today with the Man of Sin sitting "as God showing himself that he is God" and spreading abroad his false "sabbath" - Sunday - will suffer no less desolation due to their steadfast refusal to recognize God's authority as Creator and Redeemer, the sign of which to us is His Sabbath.

Here is the key to understanding this (Dan 11:36-38):
And the king shall do according to his will

the Bishop of Rome

...and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods

The office of the papacy claims whoever officiates over it is "god on Earth" and "grants forgiveness of sins". Can a man get any more bold and blasphemous than that?

...and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Daniel says that in the last days Judgment, the "Little Horn" papacy will still be large and in charge and running off at the mouth until he in the end is cast into the fire.

Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

• Papists do not regard the God of the Bible, as evidenced by their ridiculous, pagan, blasphemous doctrines like Mary (esoterically "Satan") worship, veneration of idols, Sunday "sacredness", etc.
• Papist leaders and women...draw your own conclusions.
• The papacy has stolen the prerogatives of Jesus as High Priest and Only Intercessor and "cast the truth to the ground" through the setting up of their entire blasphemous false system of papal intercession.
• By uniting with the state, the catholic church leaders employ force to compelled all to either comply or suffer censure, forfeit, torture, and death.
• The god papists honor is the "god of this world" and by their massive wealth they do such while boldly condemning Protestant nations for their "selfish" foreign policy measures -- the height of hypocrisy.

  There is no pope who has fitted (or will fit) this description.

  You need to put aside your Jesuit Futurism ideas for a moment and take a hard look at why the Great Reformers believed the papacy is Antichrist. Then you'd see why it was necessary for papists to manufacture Jesuit Futurism as a defensive diversionary tactic against the attacks of Historicism by the Protestant Reformation.

 

[biloqewu]

There is no denying this. But it does not automatically translate into the Mark of the Beast.

Yes it does, because it fulfills all the characteristics of the mark of the beast,

1. You cannot buy or sell without it.
2. It is used everywhere in the world.
3. It is issued to everyone rich and poor, small and great.
4. It is an abomination because through of its lack of intrinsic value, which the bankers leverage devaluation and inflation with, thus making it a false quantity, which is forbidden in the Torah.

 

[biloqewu]

Repeating your premise over and over is not a reasonable answer to the direct challenge I've made to it.

Once again, are you able or not to point to a single text in all of Scripture where a "beast" is interpreted by man, angel, or God as "currency" in the same way that I've pointed to Daniel 7:17 and Daniel 7:23 where "beast" is clearly interpreted as "kingdom"?

The book of Revelation says you "cannot buy or sell" without it, therefore, this makes the mark CURRENCY. How much longer will you refuse to accept the truth?

 

[biloqewu]

That's interesting because Solomon - the wisest man who ever lived - said "money is a defence"...by implication against hunger, against homelessness, against sickness, etc.

Are you wiser than he in calling it "evil"?

That is because Solomon used gold and silver for currency, shekels, gerahs, bekahs, which were all metals as currency, which is an acceptable form of money to God in accordance to his Torah, because metals have intrinsic value. Fiat currency, in the form of paper money, however, is not acceptable to God, because it is a false quantity, in fact, it is an abomination, because through it, the bankers cause devaluation and inflation, to their own advantage, impoverishing the world under their schemes through their fiat currency. Understand the words I am telling you concerning money. Fiat currency is the mark of the beast.

 

[Phoneman777]

The book of Revelation says you "cannot buy or sell" without it, therefore, this makes the mark CURRENCY. How much longer will you refuse to accept the truth?

So, the "Mark" is currency. So, that means the Federal Reserve Bank is the Beast? Or is it the U.S. Mint? Or the IMF?
Question:

Since the "Beast" is said to speak "blasphemies" and the Bible in no uncertain terms defines "blasphemy" as:

• a sinful man claiming to be God (Luke 5:21)
• a sinful man claiming the power to forgive sin (John 10:33)

...when has the Fed, the Mint, or the IMF claimed such power?

See what I did there? I've shown you that currency can't be the "Mark" because no institution that issues currency qualifies as a religious apostate power that makes such audacious claims - the very claims that the papal Beast boldly makes to the church, the religious world - to God's throne.

Currency, like cars, computers, etc., is simply a "tool" of the Beast, not it's Mark. If you want to know what the Mark of the Beast is, just ask the papal Beast. They'll tell you: Sunday sacredness.

 

[biloqewu]

So, the "Mark" is currency. So, that means the Federal Reserve Bank is the Beast? Or is it the U.S. Mint? Or the IMF?
Question:

Since the "Beast" is said to speak "blasphemies" and the Bible in no uncertain terms defines "blasphemy" as:

• a sinful man claiming to be God (Luke 5:21)
• a sinful man claiming the power to forgive sin (John 10:33)

...when has the Fed, the Mint, or the IMF claimed such power?

See what I did there? I've shown you that currency can't be the "Mark" because no institution that issues currency qualifies as a religious apostate power that makes such audacious claims - the very claims that the papal Beast boldly makes to the church, the religious world - to God's throne.

Currency, like cars, computers, etc., is simply a "tool" of the Beast, not it's Mark. If you want to know what the Mark of the Beast is, just ask the papal Beast. They'll tell you: Sunday sacredness.

The United States IS the second beast of Revelation, which is the one that issues the mark of the beast, which today has been fulfilled through the Federal Reserve Bank, which was enacted by the United States. I have an entire study on this here, The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God . You are completely misinformed, and I suspect you choose to be deliberately ignorant to what I'm telling you, because you very well know the repercussions of accepting fiat currency to be the mark of the beast, so you'd rather believe fantasies, than believe the truth, to not give up the convenience of using fiat currency, all to your own destruction. Did you really think the mark of the beast would be so obvious to discern when it came, when we very well know that God has always brought fulfillment of prophecies in ways that only few understood, yet the many were ignorant and refused to believe? Foolish man you are.

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes it does, because it fulfills all the characteristics of the mark of the beast,

1. You cannot buy or sell without it.
2. It is used everywhere in the world.
3. It is issued to everyone rich and poor, small and great.
4. It is an abomination because through of its lack of intrinsic value, which the bankers leverage devaluation and inflation with, thus making it a false quantity, which is forbidden in the Torah.

Claiming you've "discovered" the Mark of the Beast without first telling us who is the Beast - and squaring up your "Beast" with all the identifying marks which pertain to it in Daniel and Revelation is:

• reckless
• sensationalist
• textbook example of how not to reason deductively

It's like the guy who knocks on the door of his new neighbor and welcomes him to the block.
"So, what do you do for a living?"
"I just transferred to the local university. I teach courses in Deductive Reasoning."
"Deductive Reasoning? What's that?"
"Well, it's a little difficult to explain, but let me give you an example: Do you have a doghouse?"
"Why yes, I do."
"Well, then, that means you likely have a dog, right?"
"Yes, I do."
"And since you have a dog, you likely have a family, right?"
"Why, yes, I do."
"Well, if you got a family, you must be married, right?"
"Yes, I am."
"Well, by Deductive Reasoning, I conclude that you are heterosexual."
"Wow, that's interesting."

Later that day, the man is waiting at the bus stop with a group of others and since the bus is late, he decides to strike up a conversation with another.

"How's it going?"
"Meh..."
"Anything interesting happen to you today?"
"No...you?"
"Why yes, I met my new neighbor. He teaches classes in deductive reasoning."
"What's that?"
"Well, it's a little hard to explain, but let me demonstrate it for you. Do you have a doghouse?
"Doghouse? No, I don't have a doghouse."

"Well, then, you must be one of them gays, huh."