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  1. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    The creation of the New Heavens and Earth follow the conflagration of this universe on the last day.
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44) (KJV 1900)
     
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    Christ was resurrected in his physical body that was then glorified. The same for us at the first resurrection.

    Spiritual not spirit body.

    You are denying the resurrection.
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    No, we do not know yet how Christ became in his resurrection or how we will be.

    “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2) (KJV 1900)

    If we remain in a physical body at the resurrection, which cannot enter heaven, why would John say this?
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Because Jesus is no longer in an earthly flesh and blood body, he is in a glorified body which does not have blood.
    We will not be in earthly bodies.

    You refused to deal with Enoch and Elijah being in heaven right now.

    John 20
    24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymusa]">[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

    But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

    26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
     
  6. Dave L

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    I can't help it. John said; “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2) (KJV 1900)
     
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    No, we do not know all the details of what it will be like to be perfectly healthy, sexless and 100% happy.

    But we do know when Christ was resurrected he was seen in a glorified perfect body and we shall have one to.
     
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    Is being happy the point ?

    Drugs can make you happy, but Jesus Christ is much more than that.
    One of Virtue ?
     
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    The resurrection body is BOTH physical and spiritual. It is a human body which has been transformed and glorified in order to live on a spiritual plane and enter Heaven. The resurrection body of Christ was BOTH physical (He demonstrated this by eating) and spiritual (He could enter rooms at will just like a spirit, and appear and disapear).
     
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  10. Dave L

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    John says; “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:1–2) (KJV 1900)

    Paul says; “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:44) (KJV 1900)
     
  11. biloqewu

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    "Spiritual" does not exist. Aeolian does, which is what the original Greek word is accurately translated as, because it is based on the Greek word "pneuma", which means airflow. The body of the Messiah is a body of power, able to transform into the form of flesh and bones, and able to transform into airflow, hence "aeolian body", which is why this form is invisible to the eye, because airflow cannot be seen.
     
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    I have the testimony of Scripture to support that the "prince" that shall come is "Messiah the Prince" because the Messiah is referenced THREE times in verses 25 and 26, with absolutely no mention of Antichrist. I also have the testimony of ancient history which testifies that "Prince Titus" came against Jerusalem to bring about the very thing that Daniel's prophecy speaks of - the destruction of Jerusalem.

    You have absolutely nothing to support your idea except subjective thinking - imposed beliefs that you can only imagine to be the application. That's a weak foundation upon which to build a doctrine.

    Nothing. Daniel nine is about "thy people and thy holy city". The Antichrist is not to arise until much later, when Rome would fall, the Ten Horns would arise, and the "Little Horn" papal Antichrist would then arise.
    Wrong, Antichrist's goal is to "take the place of Christ" which is what "Antichrist" means.
    No, that is Satan who does that.
    Jesus did that when He became the antitype to which all the OT types pointed. Any sacrifice thereafter was in the sight of God just a BBQ.
    Wrong again. Job said Leviathan (Satan) won't make a covenant with anyone, Jews, Arabs included. It is JESUS CHRIST Who is "the messenger of the Covenant" (Malachi 3:1); Who is given "for a Covenant of the people, for a light to the Gentiles" (Isaiah 42:6); Who came to "confirm the promises - New Covenant - made to the fathers - to Christians (Romans 15:8); Whose blood is of "the New Covenant which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28); Who confirmed to us the New Covenant when "at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and then was confirmed to us by them that heard Him" (Hebrews 2:3)
    So, you're willing to admit that the 70 Weeks are not "literal weeks" but you here are claiming a "literal" 3 1/2 years? You Jesuit Futurists have no idea how inconsistent you have to be to make the idea work, do you?
    He is not a "person", Antichrist is a system which reigns for 1,260 years - the papacy
    the papacy claims the pope is God and can forgive sins, two textbook definitions of "blasphemy" in Scripture.
    I read where Greece is divided in Daniel 11. Where does it say Israel will be divided for gain?
     
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    LOL The Scriptures teach that Jesus fulfilled the 70th Week and I think you should accept the testimony of Scripture rather than that of the Jesuits, who teach that Antichrist is the subject of Daniel 9:26.
     
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    I have already explained why the 70 weeks are heptads (Heb shabuim = sevens) of years whereas there is a literal 3 1/2 years expressed as time, times, half a time, 42 months, and 1260 days. This period is assigned to the Antichrist, who is indeed *the prince that shall come*. Why? Because the Abomination of Desolation (to which he is connected right there) is in the future, and so is the Great Tribulation. After Christ predicted the destruction of the second temple, He spoke of a future *Holy Place* where the Abomination of Desolation would stand. And the third temple is waiting to be erected.
     
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    What is the testimony of the scriptures except for your determination of what you believe the scriptures reveal.

    You have determined what the testimony of the scripture is and within the protestant denomination every one has the same right, so it seem, to determine their interpretational understanding and theological doctrine of any portion of the scriptures.

    With that being said, for you to dogmatically claim that anyone else who does not accept your interpretation and developed doctrine must therefore be operating outside of your perceived understanding and is therefore in error.

    Well, we can all think that that is true, but neither you nor do I exhibit the authoritative characteristics that others will accept to carry the day with regards to the correct understanding of any passage.

    From my research and study, I believe that I am a little closer to the truth, but in the long run time will reveal the truth of the matter when it is time for it to be revealed. Know what I mean.

    Shalom
     
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    Daniel never said "70 Weeks of years" - that's total bulldookey. He plainly said:
    "Seventy (shib'iam [H7657]) weeks (shabuwa' [H7620])..."

    Why do you Jesuit Futurists insist on pushing square pegs in round holes to make your ideas work? Daniel said "70 Weeks" - period - and unless you are willing to make them a literal 490 day period, then you cannot make the "3 1/2 years" a literal 1,260 day period...just as the 70 weeks are symbolic for 490 years, the 3 1/2 years which are 1,260 days are symbolic for "1,260 years", which was the reign of the papacy from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D. when the papal beast received a deadly wound.
     
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    Peter said we can't assign private interpretation to prophecy...there is only one correct interpretation - Protestant Historicism. You silly Jesuit Futurists don't seem to care that in the mid-16th century when the Protestant Reformation was attacking the papacy with Protestant Historicism and causing so much havoc within the catholic church, the catholic church got their Jesuits to formulate alternative interpretations for the sole purpose of deflecting the Protestant fingers of accusation labeling them Antichrist toward the past (Jesuit Luis Alcazar and his "Jesuit Preterism"), to the future (Jesuit Francisco Ribera and his Jesuit Futurism) ...anywhere except at Rome.

    Do you really trust the papacy to give you a correct interpretation of eschatology when they can't even get right something so fundamentally elementary as "salvation by grace through faith, not by works"?
     
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    Actually the 70 weeks, or 490 years, of favor upon Israel ended in the autumn of A.D. 36 with the conversion of Cornelius. Although most chronologist estimate it to have taken place somewhere between A.D. 37 to 40.

    See the seventy weeks of Daniel for a more through look at this prophecy.
     
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    What am I hearing from your posts? Name calling, ridicule, etc. with a cheery picked verse to suggest that your understanding is not a personal interpretation of the scriptures.

    Oh there are others that hold to your POV that Historicism is the only manner in which the scriptures should be understood.

    You will find that I ruffle most peoples feathers, because I have a very different understanding to most theories presented by people.

    The Roman empire did manifest the influence of the Little Horn to destroy Jerusalem. The little horn was also manifested by the Greek empire when the trampling of the Sanctuary of God began around the year 250 BC.

    The Roman empire is not the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy. According to Jeremiah there is a 2,000 plus gap in the history of the Land of the Chaldean found in verse 39 if one knows how to untangle the technical interpretation of this verse where a finite time period was changed into a infinite time period.

    But you claim the testimony of the scriptures supports your POV. AS I have previously suggested you need to go back to the drawing board and start all over again with respect to your understanding of the scriptures as there is a great deal lacking in your interpretation as such.

    Shalom
     
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    Thanks for the article. I made a personal book from it for Logos so I have it for future reference. I hope this is OK.
     
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