What triggers the beginning of the Day of the Lord ?

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The thief in the night reference is 2000 some odd years before it happens, thus what they put forth they put forth with a vague understanding overall. Yes, some 2000 years later, at the Rapture, the DOTL will be LOCKED IN onto all those who miss the rapture. That is the thief in the night reference, it can not fit the DOTL because that will happen on 1260th day in the middle of the week, it can not happen at the 2nd coming because that comes on day 2520 exactly 1260 days after the DOTL begins and the Beast starts ruling by conquering. So, its not the DOTL per se that begins like a thief, all human eyes will see the Revelation 8 asteroid heading towards the earth.


This is not true, the AoD comes by way of the False Prophet who places the Beasts i mage in the temple. This happens 30 days before the 1260 middle of the week events at the 1290. When you get to heaven you will scratch your head, this all seems so simple now, the sad thing ole Fisherking tried to tell me this countless times, and I would not heed his points of emphasis.


God's Wrath is pre plane and pre told unto us in many scriptures. In Rev. 8 we see it is one asteroid that is spoken about in four phase. Trump #1 = Fire of the trees. Trump #2 = The Impact. Trump #3 is the Fallout or Wormwood of the fresh waters. Trump #4 is the Sun & Moon diming by 1/3 via all the smoke.

So, an Asteroid triggers the beginning of God's Wrath against mankind.


The A.C. is never accepted as the King of Israel as per their Messiah. Israel joins the E.U. and thus the President of the E.U. will be their President also, because they are in the E.U. in 1900 the President of the USA was not the President of Hawaii, after 1960, the President of the USA was also Hawaii's President because they joined the USA. Its the same thing. John 5:43 was fulfilled in 70 AD, its not about end times.

The Daily that is stopped is Jews worshiping Jesus. Gog and Magog is past by the time the A.C. becomes the Beast. You have mixed it up brother. You can not defile that which has not been cleansed, that means Israel repents before the DOTL falls.


You have conflated everything my friend.

One thing that is undeniable, the fact Matthew 24:29, for one proves it, the DOTL is immediately after great tribulation. Therefore, any interpretation that insists great tribulation follows the beginning of the DOTL is making Jesus out to be a liar per Matthew 24:29 since He is on record in this verse informing us that the DOTL follows immediately after great tribulation.

Who should we believe then? Jesus Himself? Or an interpreter that is contradicting what Jesus said?


Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


And what does the DOTL involve according to the OT? Does it not involve darkness? Does or does not what is recorded in Matthew 24:29 involve darkness as well? Is anyone going to argue and expected to be taken serious, that shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, that that does not involve darkness?

IMO, any interpretation that insists there is a rapture prior to great tribulation is bringing nothing but nonsense and confusion to the table by doing so. By the time we get to verse 29 in Matthew 24, great trib is already in the past at that point, and it is then the beginning of the DOTL.
 

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One thing that is undeniable, the fact Matthew 24:29, for one proves it, the DOTL is immediately after great tribulation. Therefore, any interpretation that insists great tribulation follows the beginning of the DOTL is making Jesus out to be a liar per Matthew 24:29 since He is on record in this verse informing us that the DOTL follows immediately after great tribulation.
David, the great tribulation follows the beginning of the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord lasts for eternity.

The TOD act triggers the beginning of the everlasting day of the Lord
The AOD set up, placed on the temple mount, triggers the beginning of the great tribulation. The great tribulation fits within the day of the Lord.




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One thing that is undeniable, the fact Matthew 24:29, for one proves it, the DOTL is immediately after great tribulation. Therefore, any interpretation that insists great tribulation follows the beginning of the DOTL is making Jesus out to be a liar per Matthew 24:29 since He is on record in this verse informing us that the DOTL follows immediately after great tribulation.
Who should we believe then? Jesus Himself? Or an interpreter that is contradicting what Jesus said?


Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
For starters, you do not quite understand what you are reading. You and others grasp at verses like this and do not get the bigger picture. God does not give us longwinded books explaining things in minute detail, He couldn't do that on Prophecy else the bible would have been 200 volumes. Since this is my calling, I am going to do the grunt work to explain why you are in error here brother, even though 99 out of 100 on these type never hear anything.

So, you see IMMEDIATLY AFTER the Tribulation of those days the Sun & Moon is darkened, that does not mean after the 1260 days of troubles end, it means after the troubles BEGIN. For instance, let me show you how the tribulation BEGINS.

The Rev. 8 asteroid breaks apart (Trump #1) and sulfur balls set fires to 1/3 of the trees (I think the 1/3 refers to the New World). Then Trump #2 sees THE IMPACT. Then Trump #3 sees the FALLOUT or Wormwood which poisons 1/3 of the fresh waters (New World). Finally via Trump #4 it states the Sun & Moon dims by 1/3 and we see a blood moon. We still have yet to see the THREE WOES, which emit from Trumps 5, 6 and 7.

So, here is what Jesus said and how you misinterpreted it. I can then match this up 100% with Zech. 14:1-3 it matches up perfectly. What you are doing is putting verses 29 and 30 in the same timeframe not understanding Prophecy will be spread WAY OUT even in between single verses.

Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days[BEGIN] (or Trump 2 the IMPACT) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light(Via Trump 4), and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken(Satan is CAST DOWN at the midpoint):

30 And then (1260 days LATER) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven(Jesus returns): and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Watch how Zech. 14 1-2 and THEN........vs 3 matches this 100 %.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh(Asteroid Impact brings God's Wrath), and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished(the Anti-Christ sacks Jerusalem); and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

NOW WATCH Jesus returns just like in Matt. 24:30 1260 days Later !!

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives(The 2nd coming which is 1260 days after Jerusalem gets SACKED by the Anti-Christ), which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

The problem with prophecy is you have to really match up multiple verses, you can not get duped by one verse which may look like it says one thing, because in prophecy, which is 2000 years into the future or more, we do not get full page explanations, we have to pause and think it through, pray for wisdom, that's why God tells us we must study line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little. In Matthew 24:29 you have jumped to a wrong conclusion, not understanding that God's wrath lasts for 1260 days and the beginning of that Wrath means the Sun and Moon are dimmed, after the troubles begin, because that asteroid impact STARTED those troubles !! All you can see is AFTER, you can not see all the facts because you think you already have it all figured out. My friend, its no big deal getting tunnel vision, I have had it many times, especially before I understood most of us, in and of ourselves, can't figure these truths of God out until we have to stop, ask God to show us, in a sincere manner, and He always will, if we refuse to quit seeking for that truth.
And what does the DOTL involve according to the OT? Does it not involve darkness? Does or does not what is recorded in Matthew 24:29 involve darkness as well? Is anyone going to argue and expected to be taken serious, that shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, that that does not involve darkness?

IMO, any interpretation that insists there is a rapture prior to great tribulation is bringing nothing but nonsense and confusion to the table by doing so. By the time we get to verse 29 in Matthew 24, great trib is already in the past at that point, and it is then the beginning of the DOTL.
The DOTL is called Jacob's Troubles for a reason, its the 70th week of their penance, the Church was not here for the other 69 weeks and we will not be here for the 70th week, we are Christs bride, the Jews are the Fathers bride, that's why they have his name on their forehead.

The Church not being on this earth for the 70th week is one of the most simple points in all of Eschatology you miss it just like you missed what the sun and moon turns dark after TRIBULATION of those days mean. You are jumping to conclusions and not fleshing out all of the facts.
 
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Matthew 24:29 is the sixth seal event, at which time the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven. 1290 days from when the abomination of desolation is setup.

45 days later, during which the kings of the earth will have prepared to make war on Jesus and his armies, on day 1335 from when the abomination of desolation is setup, Jesus will descend to earth in the clouds of heaven in power and great glory.



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Matthew 24:29 is the sixth seal event, at which time the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven. 1290 days from when the abomination of desolation is setup.
Well, not really Doug, the 6th Seal is not a real time event, its a prophetic event where Jesus tells those in attendance (the Church in Heaven just after the pre 70th week rapture) about the soon to come Wrath of God, via the Rev. 8 four Trumps which begin it. That wrath of course ends with Trumps 5, 6 and 7 (which are Woes 1, 2 and 3) and Woe 3 is the 7 Vials.

The 1290 is the AoD, the 6th Seal can only happen at the 1260 events.

The 1335 is the Two-witnesses showing up before the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God. (Zech. 13:8-9 is the 1/3 repenting, Zech. 14:1 is the DOTL see how it meshes? Israel repent THEN God's Wrath falls. Also, Malachi 4:5 agrees, Elijah is sent back BEFORE the DOTL falls.)

The 1290 is the False prophet, forbidding Jesus worship (taking away THE SACRIFICE, Jesus worship) and then placing the IMAGE of the Beast up in the temple like Rev. 13 states he does.

The 1260 is the DOTL & or the day the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering, it comes 75 days after the Two-witnesses show up (which is why the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe whilst the Beast dies at the 7th Vial 75 days later, both have 1260 day ordained by God offices, math addition is SIMPLE STUFF, if they die before the Beast dies then they MUST SHOW UP before the A.C. becomes the Beast its simple math. Each number is THAT MANY DAYS, until ALL THESE WONDERS END (by the 2nd coming of Jesus).

You are all mixed up and have conflated the understanding. I just gave you the key to understanding all end time prophecy my friend.
 
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Well, not really Doug, the 6th Seal is not a real time event, its a prophetic event where Jesus tells those in attendance (the Church in Heaven just after the pre 70th week rapture) about the soon to come Wrath of God, vis the Rev. 8 four Trumps which begin it, it of course ends with Trumps 5, 6 and 7 (which are Woes 1, 2 and 3) and Woe 3 is the 7 Vials
It will be a real time event. With a reaction by the wicked men on the earth who had persecuted the saints.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 

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The 1290 is the AoD, the 6th Seal can only happen at the 1260 events.
Without a chart or timeline representation like below, and proper english, no one can understand what you are attempting to communicate.


days 1.................................................AoD...............................1290 days.........................sign.............45 days...............day 2520, Jesus's return

AoD - abomination of desolation, set up on the temple mount
sign - sign of the Son of man in heaven, the sixth seal
 

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You are locked into the notion that the 2nd half of the '70th week' is the only time of 'great tribulation' which is not true. The 'great tribulation' starts 1st, then the false christ comes.
I am... locked into what the Bible Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS AS WRITTEN, so you don't do well by saying keeping to God's Word as written is doing falseness.

ONLY... the latter half of the Daniel 9:27 "one week" represents the time of "great tribulation", and Jesus Himself revealed that in Matthew 24, a chapter the deceived who trust in men's false Pre-trib Rapture who falsely claim is not written for Christ's Church. And here is how we KNOW the "great tribulation" is ONLY about the latter half of the "one week"...

Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven,
but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
New Living Translation


After the first HALF of the "one week" (7 years), that false one will end the daily sacrifices and offerings, and instead will place the "abomination that maketh desolate" of Daniel 11:31, and which Jesus warned with quoting in Matthew 24:15.

That MEANS the Matthew 24:15 verse represents the HALF POINT of Daniel's symbolic "one week"...

Matt 24:15-21
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When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
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For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

Then all those above events that happen right after verse 15 represent the "great tribulation" timing. That means that IS... the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 "one week", and it equals 1260 days simply because HALF of the "one week", or 7 years or 2520 days... means 1260 days, the SAME timing that God's "two witnesses" will be given to prophesy in Jerusalem against the beast as written in Revelation 11!

This is SO... EASY... even a little child can grasp it!
 

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It will be a real time event. With a reaction by the wicked men on the earth who had persecuted the saints.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
It is a PROPHETIC UTTERANCE by Jesus, notice the difference between the Seals, which is a scroll bound up, and the Trumps and Vials. The Trumps are SOUNDED by Angels, the Vials are POURED OUT by Angels but the Seals are merely a covering Beast (Might Angel) in heaven who says each tome a seal is opened up "COME AND SEE" come and see, come and see, its Prophetic Visions of what will come only when the 7th Seal is taken off the scroll that looses the 7 Trumpet Judgments, wherein all Gods wrath is contained.

Rev. 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse(Famine); and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell(the grave) followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Meanwhile the Wrath of God only comes when the 7th Seal is opened up, that is why it is over in Rev. 8 with the Trumpet Judgments which is what is contained in the "Sealed Scrolls". Seals 1-5 is God telling us what the Anti-Christ/Beast will bring in each case over the 42 months period he is allowed to rule. John SAW THIS, as in a vision of the soon to come future. He goes forth conquering, he brings war, his 42 month rule brings famine, and his 42 month rule brings Sickness, Death & the Grave (Hades not hell). He will also murder all the Christians he can get at over his 42 months of terroristic rule.

The above is a part of God's wrath, but it shows up or is allowed to go forth only when Seal #6's prophecy comes to pass, that prophesy can be seen in Rev. 8 with the first Four Trumps. Seal #6 and Joel 2:31 BOTH POINT to the exact same event, the Rev. 8 Four Trumps, AND the Three Woes that are soon to come as shown in Rev. 8:13. So, you UNDERSAND that Joel 2:31 is a future prophecy, but you can not wrap your craws around the fact that the Six Seal is likewise a prophetic utterance, but it is. Open up Rev. 8 and read, the first Trump is the fires that come from the asteroid breaking up as it passes through our atmosphere. The 2nd Trump is THE IMPACT (where it all starts on day 1260). The 3rd Trump is the coming FALLOUT or Wormwood which poisons the fresh waters or rivers (in the New World the 1/3 imho). The Fourth Trump is the Six Seal COME TO PASS !! And its Joel 2:31 COME TO PASS. Both foretell of the Sun & Moon going Dark, but Trump #4 is the REAL EVENT !!

So, why is it you can look at Joel 2:31 and understand its future prophecy, because it was over 2500 years ago, but John 2000 years ago, foretold the same events, but just showed Jesus, in the future, after the Rapture but before the Wrath falls, taking off Seals that BIND the 7 Sealed Scroll of Judgments, but can't see that as a prophetic event also? BOTH, point to the exact same event, Trump #4 in Revelation 8. Yes the Sun & Moon will indeed go dark, but only when all 7 Seals (see below) are taken off the scroll.
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The scroll can not be opened and read until all seven seals have been taken off !! That is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8 and why there is silence in heaven, the Wrath of God is a terrible thing in heaven, not a joyous thing. It repented God when He had to flood the earth, the heavens are sad, its a somber task that must be brought to pass. Its like silence at a funeral, thus the wrath starts in Rev. 8. Yes, his wrath has come in the VISION, just like in Joel 2:31, but the Wrath falls with the Asteroid.
 
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It - what ? What are you referring to ?
What did I reply to? Your first few words were this....... BELOW IN BOLD

"It will be a real time event."


So, how on earth do you not understand what my IT is referring unto?

The same thing your IT was referring unto. Now quit dodging. lol
 

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Without a chart or timeline representation like below, and proper english, no one can understand what you are attempting to communicate.


days 1.................................................AoD...............................1290 days.........................sign.............45 days...............day 2520, Jesus's return

AoD - abomination of desolation, set up on the temple mount
sign - sign of the Son of man in heaven, the sixth seal
You can't that's for sure, simple math seems to be too hard. I am called unto Prophesy, you dabble in it. That is the difference my friend.
 

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What did I reply to? Your first few words were this....... BELOW IN BOLD

"It will be a real time event."


So, how on earth do you not understand what my IT is referring unto?

The same thing your IT was referring unto. Now quit dodging. lol
So, you are referring to the sixth seal event ?
 

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Matthew 24:29 is the sixth seal event,
But it isn't and cannot be the Sixth Seal when Jesus Returns.
To believe that is to be guilty of altering the Book of Revelation.

Also that idea is quite illogical and opposes many other Prophesies, like Isaiah 51:1-2, where Jesus makes it clear that the next Prophesied event will be His Day of vengeance and wrath.
 

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You can't that's for sure, simple math seems to be too hard.
I have shown a timeline. You have not.

Just adding the various timeframes values together mathematically is not sufficient. The order that timeframes take place relevant to each other is necessary. i.e. a timeline is necessary.
 
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Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


This is when they are saying Peace and safety.

Probably started long before rthat when the beast empire had no valid enemies to make war with it:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Wars and rumors of wars are signs of the endtimes but all that ends when the beast is in power. There are wars happening all the time somewhere in the world, some places more than others but the world is literally constantly at war. Suddenly the beast comes to power and being global and most loyal to it, wars end.
 

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In 1Thessalonians5, the Day of the Lord begins suddenly, like a thief in the night, unexpected, at a time when the world is saying peace and safety.


No, it doesn't start then. One of the "day of the lord" (there is more than one) is when Christ returns.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

Context is the second coming.


1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


Obviously this is the same context and so the reference to the day of the Lord here is the second coming when the resurrection and rapture take place and the wrath of God.
 
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