What was the date of the Crucifixion?

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The greek word for bow can and does include arrows. It is related to this:

Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Above all, take the shield [thyreós] of faith, with which you shall be able to quench all the fiery darts [bélos] of the wicked.

[*StrongsGreek*]
00956
βέλος bélos, bel'-os
from 906;
a missile, i.e. spear or arrow:--dart.

[*StrongsGreek*]
00906
βάλλω bállō, bal'-lo
a primary verb;
to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense):--arise, cast (out), X dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust.
Compare 4496.

The greek word for bow can and does include arrows. It is related to this:

Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Sure, if you really need to have that bow include arrows. Otherwise just don't add meaning to verses of scripture that isn't there.
 

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Like I said, you're backing the wrong horse again. But you back a lot of wrong horses, so it's not surprising.

I guess you weren't keeping score. What I saw was someone trying to use the wrong date of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem so they could attempt prove when the coming of Messiah was. That didn't go so well as the truth of the scripture prevailed. Same person tried to change the date of Passover from the 14th of Nisan to the 15th of Nisan so that the year of Christs death would agree with their chart. And again, the Word of God spoke the truth. Then came the new chart with the false date of the 15th year Tiberius. And again, proven wrong. Point after point easily dispatched by the truth.

And you are telling me that I am backing the wrong horse. The futile attempt to prove that the 70th week of Daniel is over did not happen because it is not the truth. This verse alone proves that attempting to prove that the 70th week of Daniel is over is nonsense.

Rev 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

I think your horse is beaten down by the truth.
 

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Sure, if you really need to have that bow include arrows. Otherwise just don't add meaning to verses of scripture that isn't there.


When an army takes a canon into battle, does the ammunition need to be mentioned? When a cop carries his gun, do the bullets need to be mentioned? No. It is well understood by Greek scholars that the word for bow also implies arrows. The rider of the white horse has a bow and arrows. Any other interpretation goes against what Greek scholars have known about the word for generations.
 

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I guess you weren't keeping score. What I saw was someone trying to use the wrong date of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem so they could attempt prove when the coming of Messiah was. That didn't go so well as the truth of the scripture prevailed. Same person tried to change the date of Passover from the 14th of Nisan to the 15th of Nisan so that the year of Christs death would agree with their chart. And again, the Word of God spoke the truth. Then came the new chart with the false date of the 15th year Tiberius. And again, proven wrong. Point after point easily dispatched by the truth.

And you are telling me that I am backing the wrong horse. The futile attempt to prove that the 70th week of Daniel is over did not happen because it is not the truth. This verse alone proves that attempting to prove that the 70th week of Daniel is over is nonsense.

Rev 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

I think your horse is beaten down by the truth.
You're either read none of the information, or you're willfully blind, or you do know that whereas everything you say was proved false, everything claimed by Chris in this thread the other one was proved biblically and historically true and sound.
When an army takes a canon into battle, does the ammunition need to be mentioned? When a cop carries his gun, do the bullets need to be mentioned? No. It is well understood by Greek scholars that the word for bow also implies arrows. The rider of the white horse has a bow and arrows. Any other interpretation goes against what Greek scholars have known about the word for generations.
The arrows are not carnal, though:

Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.
And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
Zechariah 4:6 and Revelation 11:3

The rider of the white horse is given a crown of victory (stephanos), not a royal crown (diadema) like the 10 kings and the dragon are wearing.
 
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You're either read none of the information, or you're willfully blind, or you do know that whereas everything you say was proved false, everything claimed by Chris in this thread the other one was proved biblically and historically true and sound.

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It was a complete annihilation of every point that was made by Chris from the false date used for the decree, to rebuild Jerusalem, to attempting to change the Passover date from the 14th of Nisan to the 15th of Nisan. Then came the new chart with the false date of the 15th year Tiberius. I don't think you are willfully blind; you are just plain blind, no will involved at all. All these things are way over your head. It is no wonder you are so easily led astray. It truly is the blind leading the blind.
 

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The date of Christ's crucifixion
And why the Last Supper was refered to as the Passover Meal in the Bible


Significant dates of Christ - Frankincense - Are the customs Pagan? Dinners around the world!

************The Mystery of the Last Supper************

Over the centuries there have been some confusion on which day the Last Supper occurred, and the circumstances of its occurrence. So before we go on let me explain. Traditionally in this time period, on the eve before the Passover the sacrificial lamb was slain and butchered ritually. The blood was collected ritually and applied to the doorways. (This is the Passover part of the ritual of the plaque of the first born, but this changed…Deuteronomy 16:2-6 The change was that the sacrificial lamb was slain at the doorway of the tabernacle….and then the Temple….This means that in the biblical era the Passover was a gathering of Jews at the Temple…

Then the entire lamb was cooked over a fire and eaten entirely, with unleavened bread. (The sacrifice could be either an unblemished goat or lamb. You can read about this ritual in Exodus chapter 12.) This is not exactly what happened during the evening of the Last Supper. But the Gospels use the term Passover meal to refer to the Last Supper and also reference the Passover lamb being sacrificed on Thursday evening, from there, confusion ensued.

The Jewish Passover which lasts around 7 days, that year occurred on Saturday April 8th 30 AD, and started at dusk (As the Full Moon rose) on April 7th. The Jewish Sabbath and the beginning of Passover occurring on the same day, that year. Computerized astronomical calculations (NASA) shows a full Moon on the evening of April 7th when the Passover began. So the Passover for that year occurred on the Jewish Sabbath...Saturday. Two Holy events occurring on the same day. Some refer to this as a High Holy Day, High Day, or High Sabbath for the Jews. John 19:31 The Lambs would have been killed on Friday, the afternoon of the 7th of April. But Christ would not be alive Friday evening. So in this instance there was an honorary Passover meal for Christ. As I said, we know that Christ did not eat the Last Supper on the day He was crucified. If we look at Matthew 16:21-25 and Yeshua's disagreement with Peter, we can see that He knew what was going to happen and when.

He was the symbolic and divine sacrificial lamb and He was slain around 3:00 pm on the 7th of April, around the time that the actual sacrificial lambs were being slain. The Passover dinner for Him was held on the evening of the 6th of April...Mark 15:42 Thursday and they had a sacrificial lamb. The next day, the actual Passover lambs would be slaughtered and eaten on Friday before dusk for the Passover dinners. Christ was the sacrificial lamb for the New Covenant and He was crucified during the day on Friday, about the time the sacrificial lambs for Passover were being killed. So Christ would not be observing the normal processes of the Passover and the Passover meal, and as it turned out, the same was true for the Apostles because they would be in hiding, not sacrificing lambs at the Temple. They may have arranged for food to be brought to them, but they probably were not sacrificing lambs while Christ was being crucified.

The meal that Christ attended was a meal that the Gospels refer to as the Passover meal, a Seder meal, put it was not the actual Jewish Passover meal. As I explained, the next day was the Jewish day of preparation for the Passover...Friday...and the Jewish Passover meal would occur then. This was the day that Christ was slain. Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, 31, and 42, all confirm that the day that Christ was crucified was on the Day of Preparation, which was Friday, April 7th 30 AD. John 18:28 also proves that early Friday morning, the day of Christ’s crucifixion, when Christ was taken to the Praetorium the Apostles had not eaten the actual Passover meal yet. The morning cock had crowed for Peter John 18:27 So when Christ was before Pilate in the Praetorium the Apostles did not enter because they did not want to be defiled because they wanted to participate in the actual Passover meal before the start of Passover. "Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium so that they would not be defiled, but might eat the Passover." John 18:28 So when Christ was before Caiaphas at that time the Apostles had not eaten the Passover meal yet and wanted to eat later that day. Another mystery solved....

Just to go over the scriptures that anchor the date of Christ's crucifixion on the day of Preparation for the Passover and that the Jewish Saturday Sabbath was occurring at the same time as Passover. And that Christ's resurrection on Sunday the Jewish first day of the week.

Now early Friday morning the Apostles watched Christ before Caiaphas but did not enter because they did not want to defile themselves because they still intended to eat the Passover meal that evening. This proves that the meal that they ate with Christ on Thursday evening was not the actual Passover meal.
John 18:28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium so that they would not be defiled, but might eat the Passover.

Scriptures addressing the double Sabbath...
John 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

John 19:38 38 After these things Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. So he came and took away His body. 39 Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight. 40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. 41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42 Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

Matthew 27:57-62 57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple: 58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. 59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulcher, and departed. 61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulcher. 62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate

Why April 7th 30 AD?
The death of Herod is well documented, so is the date of his successors. So in order to include the story of the Herod, the Magi, the Star, and death of the innocences, Christ's birth has to happen before Herod's death. March 12th 4 BC. Now if you go to add this up from Christ's birth to the day of his Crucifixion, keep in mind that you lose a year between 1 BC and 1 AD. No year zero, so one year passes between April 1 BC and April 1 AD. So in 30 AD Christ would have been 33 years old, give or take a few months.

We can consider April 3rd 33 AD, but Christ would be 36 years old and since it was said that Christ started Him ministry when He was 30 years old, that would make His ministry 6 years long. So odds are, it is 30 AD.

Now the calculation for Passover is based on the cycle of the moon. And goes like this...Passover will occur on the first full moon after the vernal equinox. Most of the time that is in April on our calendar. Then Easter is the next Sunday after that.

So Christ is crucified on Friday April 7th 30 AD and then the Passover starts that evening at dusk along with the Jewish Sabbath. That night has a Full Moon. And this goes along with the double Sabbath tradition, ie Passover falling on the Jewish Sabbath, Saturday. Keep in mind that the Hebrew month always started on the New Moon, so the Passover would “always” occur 15 days later….that does not mean that the Passover would always occur on the Sabbath Saturday, because the new month did not reset the days of the week. (Jewish Sabbath Saturday…different than the Christian Sunday.) Hebrew days of the month vs Gregorian days of the month, there is a confusion factor there, but I will try to explain.

The Lunar Calculator below, shows the Full Moon on the evening of April 7th, 30 AD. This chart is based on our Gregorian calendar, but the first day of the Hebrew month started as usual on the preceding New Moon…which was on March 24th, then 15 days later on Friday, the evening of the 7th ….the Full Moon rises.

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The rider of the white horse is given a crown of victory (stephanos), not a royal crown (diadema) like the 10 kings and the dragon are wearing.
Here is the crown the 7th king, the rider on the white horse is given. The stephanos crown, the leaf crown of victory and the symbol of the United Nations.
 

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You're either read none of the information, or you're willfully blind, or you do know that whereas everything you say was proved false, everything claimed by Chris in this thread the other one was proved biblically and historically true and sound.

The arrows are not carnal, though:

Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.
And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
Zechariah 4:6 and Revelation 11:3


The two witnesses are not the arrows. Both the bow and arrows are obviously not "carnal". Christ does not come and conquer using a bow. He uses a symbolic sword. The white horse rider is an imitation. All four horsemen are of the enemy. Lastly, the second coming happened in the 6th seal description not the first seal.
 

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The rider of the white horse is given a crown of victory (stephanos), not a royal crown (diadema)

A stephanos crown can also be of royalty so your conclusion here is faulty.

G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
stef'-an-os
From an apparently primary “stepho” (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, G1238), literally or figuratively: - crown.
Total KJV occurrences: 18


G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
Thayer Definition:
1) a crown
1a) a mark of royal or (in general) exalted rank
1a1) the wreath or garland which was given as a prize to victors in public games
1b) metaphorically the eternal blessedness which will be given as aprize to the genuine servants of God and Christ: the crown (wreath) which is the reward of the righteousness
1c) that which is an ornament and honour to one
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from an apparently primary stepho (to twine or wreathe)
 

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The date of Christ's crucifixion
And why the Last Supper was refered to as the Passover Meal in the Bible


Significant dates of Christ - Frankincense - Are the customs Pagan? Dinners around the world!

************The Mystery of the Last Supper************

Thursday
The Last supper
Matthew 26:17---
Mark 14:12---
Luke 22:7---
John 13:1---

Friday
Passover---The Feast of Unleavened Bread----Hag Ha-Matzot.
Passover is one 24 hour period in the seven day Feast of Unleavened bread. The Jewish Passover occurs each year on the evening of the first full moon after the Spring Equinox.

A very good link Grailhunter.
But can you repost your image of lunar phases in April AD30? It shows full moon on your original thread but only half the days on your post here. Thanks. :)
 

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The two witnesses are not the arrows. Both the bow and arrows are obviously not "carnal". Christ does not come and conquer using a bow. He uses a symbolic sword. The white horse rider is an imitation. All four horsemen are of the enemy. Lastly, the second coming happened in the 6th seal description not the first seal.
The unveiling (the Revelation) is not a series of chronological events, one after the other. It's an unveiling. Lifting one veil after another that does not necessarily refer to different events following one another. There is overlap between the 5th and 6th trumpets for example, as well as overlap between the 5th and 6th trumpets and the 5th and 6th bowls.
The rider of the white horse represents anyone taking the gospel out to the nations. The gospel will be going out simultaneously with the activities of the beast's armies - that's why the two witnesses are only killed by the beast when they finish their testimony, three and a half days before the resurrection.

The "arrows" of the bow that are not mentioned in the text (but that you insist on mentioning in your text), are spiritual, not carnal. To assign it to the antichrist is really a nasty error.
 
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A stephanos crown can also be of royalty so your conclusion here is faulty.

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στέφανος
stephanos
stef'-an-os
From an apparently primary “stepho” (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, G1238), literally or figuratively: - crown.
Total KJV occurrences: 18


G4735
στέφανος
stephanos
Thayer Definition:
1) a crown
1a) a mark of royal or (in general) exalted rank
1a1) the wreath or garland which was given as a prize to victors in public games
1b) metaphorically the eternal blessedness which will be given as aprize to the genuine servants of God and Christ: the crown (wreath) which is the reward of the righteousness
1c) that which is an ornament and honour to one
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from an apparently primary stepho (to twine or wreathe)
It's origin is the crown of victory bestowed upon athletes in the ancient Olympic Games.

A diadem is a crown of royalty. A stephanos is awarded a lesser person by or on behalf of someone wearing a diadem. It's a royal award. Like getting a knighthood in the U.K from the sovereign.

They are not the same type of crown. In the Revelation a stephanos represents the fact that the person wearing it has been victorious and is awarded the honor - not by someone with a lower rank than himself, but a higher rank.
 

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It was a complete annihilation of every point that was made by Chris from the false date used for the decree, to rebuild Jerusalem, to attempting to change the Passover date from the 14th of Nisan to the 15th of Nisan. Then came the new chart with the false date of the 15th year Tiberius. I don't think you are willfully blind; you are just plain blind, no will involved at all. All these things are way over your head. It is no wonder you are so easily led astray. It truly is the blind leading the blind.
LOL. Funny everyone else who was reading this thread saw it as your annihilation ;)
 
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Here is the crown the 7th king, the rider on the white horse is given. The stephanos crown, the leaf crown of victory and the symbol of the United Nations.
LOL. Now the U.N is one of the four horsemen of the Revelation.

Newsflash: The red horse is the same color as the red dragon and its rider is given a sword and goes out to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another.
 

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Thanks for the lunar phases. Yes, full moon was about 9.30 pm, Thursday, 6th April. Then Jesus was arrested at midnight and nailed to the cross at 9.00 am, Friday, 7th April.

What is sometimes overlooked is how the paschal meal as well as the crucifixion was on Passover because the Hebrew day was from evening to evening - that is Thur/Fri, 15th Nisan.
 
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LOL. Funny everyone else who was reading this thread saw it as your annihilation ;)
Yeah everyone who follows the blind. I posted the scriptural facts that disprove everything that Chris is saying. How about a small refresher. Chris said that Passover was on Nisan 15 whereas the Lord says it Nisan 14.

Leviticus 23
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

I'm not sure why you would disagree with Word of God. Everything Chris has said is not supported by the scriptures and yet the blind roll on.
 

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Yeah everyone who follows the blind. I posted the scriptural facts that disprove everything that Chris is saying. How about a small refresher. Chris said that Passover was on Nisan 15 whereas the Lord says it Nisan 14.

Leviticus 23
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

I'm not sure why you would disagree with Word of God. Everything Chris has said is not supported by the scriptures and yet the blind roll on.
I see 70 contiguous, continuous, undecapitated weeks.

Like Daniel saw.

He wasn't blind.
 
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I see 70 contiguous, continuous, undecapitated weeks.

Like Daniel saw.

He wasn't blind.
No he wasn't. You are. Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks. I know you are unable to understand the facts.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:.......