Why concern yourselves with what we will eat when we do not concern ourselves? You think the Two Witnesses will need the Mark of the Beast to eat? lol Then you must as well consider us needing the Mark of the Beast to move about as well - and by that I mean from country to country - Continent to Continent, but I tell you it is of little concern to us, because... The Mark of the Beast is made mandatory AFTER mid-term of Tribulation and it is right after mid-term of Tribulation that we are killed. See, the Beast that receives the mortal wound and is healed is not strong enough to wage war against us and is not strong enough to kill us... that will take Satan's power to accomplish and so it is Satan that kills us not the Beast commonly referred to as The Anti-Christ.. at least this is my feeble yet current understanding.
What will the two witnesses eat during the GT?
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terry said:
This was your initial response to this thread: "We shall eat as we will, like anyone else" . . .
Do you not understand that no matter how "kosher" one is about draining blood your steak still has some blood?terry said:
Do you see any hint whatsoever in the following statement that "a little leftover blood is ok"? or "as long as it is well done it is ok"?
Acts 15:25-30 ASV
25. it seemed good unto us, having come to one accord, to choose out men and send them unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26. men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who themselves also shall tell you the same things by word of mouth.
28. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29. that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well.
30. So they, when they were dismissed, came down to Antioch; and having gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle.
Likewise this same epistle was delivered unto ALL the congregations where Paul went:
Acts 16:1-4 ASV
1. And he came also to Derbe and to Lystra: and behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewess that believed; but his father was a Greek.
2. The same was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
3. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and he took and circumcised him because of the Jews that were in those parts: for they all knew that his father was a Greek.
4. And as they went on their way through the cities, they delivered them the decrees to keep which had been ordained of the apostles and elders that were at Jerusalem.
Likewise do you see anywhere that the following commandment implies it only concerns killing "other people"?
How do you know it does not also forbid the killing of animals since they also have chay-nephesh living souls?
What if the Ten Words are literal and the remainder of Torah is supernal and of the Spirit? As in the Testimony of Yeshua?
Exodus 20:13 ASV
13. Thou shalt not kill.
Deuteronomy 5:17 ASV
17. Thou shalt not kill.
Oh wait, almost forgot, because of your literal, physical, dispensational, futurist mindset which leads to various degrees of delusions of grandeur, (such as the likes of Harold Camping and the "date setting" numerologist crowd) and likewise those who progress even further into its fullest extremes, (after all someone has to be one of the two witnesses if they are two real, physical, men) you therefore according to your own proclamation as being "one of the two witnesses" will soon be killing anyone who even thinks of doing you any harm:
Revelation 11:5 ASV
5. And if any man desireth to hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth and devoureth their enemies; and if any man shall desire to hurt them, in this manner must he be killed.
Sorry, my mistake . . . :lol:
Daq wrote: " Oh wait, almost forgot, because of your literal, physical, dispensational, futurist mindset which leads to various degrees of delusions of grandeur, (such as the likes of Harold Camping and the "date setting" numerologist crowd) and likewise those who progress even further into its fullest extremes, (after all someone has to be one of the two witnesses if they are two real, physical, men) you therefore according to your own proclamation as being "one of the two witnesses" will soon be killing anyone who eventhinks of doing you any harm: "
And so you have pointed out why I have stated as before and here again - one of the reasons - that I would much rather be a healer.
Inflicting pain or causing this mortal physical death is NOT my idea of a pleasant thing. Would you rather the Two Witnesses enjoyed their task - as if they (Us) should have the mentality of A. Hitler??? Too many seem to believe that being one of the Two Witnesses is some sort of a glorious position, but I tell you it is one of sorrow.
And so you have pointed out why I have stated as before and here again - one of the reasons - that I would much rather be a healer.
Inflicting pain or causing this mortal physical death is NOT my idea of a pleasant thing. Would you rather the Two Witnesses enjoyed their task - as if they (Us) should have the mentality of A. Hitler??? Too many seem to believe that being one of the Two Witnesses is some sort of a glorious position, but I tell you it is one of sorrow.
Aww . . . "poor you"? What about all those "poor enemies" of yours who, (instead of being spiritually healed by the hearing of the preaching of the Truth) you will soon be burning to a crisp with words of fire from your mouth? Well, yes, perhaps "poor you" also, for those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart, (and defile the man).terry said:
Therefore it is not so much "the eating" but rather "the killing" when it comes to physical foods for the physical belly which shall perish in the end. However in the supernal understanding the sons of Israel do not partake of those things which are called abomination because to eat of them is to partake of their nature in the spiritual and supernal sense. The Parable of the Sower is a perfect example of the "unclean fowls" which are to be held in abomination. And although this is not even the primary meaning of the parable Yeshua states that the Parable of the Sower holds the keys to understanding all parables:
Luke 8:4-12 KJV
4. And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:
5. A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6. And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8. And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
9. And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
10. And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
11. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Matthew 13:3-4 KJV
3. And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4. And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Matthew 13:18-19 KJV
18. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mark 4:3-4 KJV
3. Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
4. And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
Mark 4:13-15 KJV
13. And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
14. The sower soweth the word.
15. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
The "unclean fowls of the air" are labeled three personages by the Master:
1) The Wicked One (Mattityahu 13:19)
2) The Devil (Lukas 8:12)
3) The Satan (Markos 4:15)
Of the unclean fowls there are eight masculine and the others are feminine like "the beloved daughters of the doctrines" of a man:
Luke 11:24-26 KJV
24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
Think this only applies to "unbelievers" and "the heathen"? Not so but rather it can only apply to those who claim to have already had "the prince of the power of the air" cast out of them to begin with, (and anyone who claims the name of Messiah Yeshua makes this claim whether he knows it or not). The same prince of the power of the air which Paulos mentions, (Ephesians 2:2) is that same "spirit of the world" and spirit of the children of disobedience. Yeshua then clearly warns ALL of his talmidim, servants, disciples, and faithful followers, that this is indeed what is to come if indeed "the prince of this world" is cast out firstly to begin with. Therefore we also are warned and admonished to "test the spirits" (and their doctrines which we are not to partake of) to see whether they be of God or not.
Leviticus 11:13-19 KJV (20 Names ~ 6 Masculine)
13. And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14. And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15. Every raven after his kind;
16. And ("bath"- feminine untranslated) the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17. And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18. And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19. And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Leviticus 11:13-19 TUA (20 Names ~ 6 Masculine)
13. W'et- 'eleh tshaqtsuw min- ha`owp ; lo' ye'akluw --sheqets hem: 'Et- hanesher w'et- haperec w'et ha`azniyah
14. w'et- hada'ah w'et- ha'ayah lmiynah
15. 'et kal-`oreb lmiynow
16. w'et bat (daughter-feminine species) haya`nah w'et- hatachmac w'et-hashachap w'et- hanets lmiynehuw
17. w'et- hakowc w'et-hashalak w'et- hayanshuwp
18. w'et- hatinshemet w'et-haqa'at w'et- haracham
19. w'et hachaciydah ha'anapah lmiynah w'et- haduwkiypat w'et- ha`Talep.
In the Devarim 14 companion passage several names are interchanged for the six masculine names recorded in Vayikra 11:13-15 and one additional name is written for a total of seven names in Devarim 14:12-14. The alternate and additional names provide for a combined understanding from both passages of Scripture enumerating a total number of EIGHT species of masculine "unclean fowls", (the `oreb-raven `Aza'zel is then "the eighth and of the seven" which goes and gets "seven others more wicked than himself").
Deuteronomy 14:12-18 KJV (21 Names ~ 7 Masculine)
12. But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
13. And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
14. And every raven after his kind,
15. And ("bath"-daughters-feminine species) the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
16. The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
17. And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
18. And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Deuteronomy 14:12-18 TUA (21 Names ~ 7 Masculine)
12. Wzeh 'sher lo'-to'kluw mehem: hanesher whaperec wha`azniyah
13. whara'ah w'et- ha'ayah whadayah lmiynah
14. w'et kal-`oreb lmiynow
15. w'et bat (daughters-feminine species) haya`nah w'et- hatachmac w'et-hashachap w'et- hanets lmiynehuw
16. 'et- hakowc w'et-hayanshuwp whatinshamet
17. whaqa'at w'et- harachamahw'et- hashalak
18. whachaciydah wha'anapah lmiynahwhaduwkiypat wha`aTalep.
Unclean Fowls of Abomination:
1) The Nesher Lacerater Eagle (Nebuchadnezzar - "Head of Gold" - Babylon)
2) The Perec Clawed Divider (Dominion Divided - Parac-Persia)
3) The `Azniyah - `Oz-Strength (Fierce countenance of `Az - Daniel 8:23 - Yavan)
4) The Da'ah - Fast Flyer Falcon
5) The Ra'ah - Keen Sighted Hawk
6) The 'Ayah-'Iy-Woe! - Screamer Hawk
7) The Dayah - Vulture
8) Every `Oreb-Raven after his kind
Hear ye therefore the parable of the first horseman Filippos: Behold, a rider on a White Horse went forth to Sow; but when any one hears the Word of the Kingdom and understands it not, immediately come the fowls of the air, which are the Wicked One, the Devil, and the Satan; and the fowls of the air steal away with that seed which was sown in the 'adamah-soil his heart. This is he which receives the Seed in the downtrodden-compacted soil of the heart by the wayside.
And he said to them, “So are you also without understanding? Do you not understand that everything [that is] outside that goes into a person [is] not able to defile him? For it does not enter into his heart but into his stomach, and goes out into the latrine”purging all foods. And he said, “What comes out of a person, that defiles a person. For from within, from the heart of people, come evil plans, sexual immoralities, thefts, murders, adulteries, [acts of] greed, malicious [deeds], deceit, licentiousness, envy, abusive speech, pride, foolishness. All these evil [things] come from within and defile a person.” Mark 7:18-23daq said:
How should we liken this? What was and what was not considered "food" in that time is key to the context. Anything forbidden in Torah was not even considered to be edible food, (not even an option to become part of the question). In modern times it might be likened to the following circumstances:ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
A man sits down to eat with his friends and orders up a bowl of rat poison. One friend says "Hey, don't you know that will kill you? That is not for human consumption; it's rat poison!" The man says to his friend "Yes, I know it's rat poison, but whatsoever goes into the mouth goes into the belly and out into the latrine! Therefore it cannot defile me in the site of God!"
Is the man correct? Yes he is. Is he ceremonially "defiled" in the site of God? Apparently not except for the fact that he may be tempting the Creator, (which is a whole other topic). However, is he also about to be dead? Yes, thoroughly purged and thoroughly dead.
Then his other Pharisee, Sadducee, Scribe friend leans over and asks: "Did you wash your hands before you sat down? You might have unknowingly come into contact with a gentile on your way here!" :lol:
That is the underlying theme of the passage you have quoted.
EVERY CREATURE.
"For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."
"For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."
Brothertom said:
1 Timothy 4:3 LIT (Literal Bible with Vertical Strong's Ref. #s)
3.
|2967| forbidding
|1060| to marry,
|9999| {saying}
|0567| to abstain from
|1033| foods
|3739| which
|2316| God
|2936| created
|1519| for
|3336| partaking
|3326| with
|2169| thanksgiving by
|3588| the
|4103| believers
|2532| and
|9999| {those}
|1921| knowing
|3588| the
|0225| truth.
Original Strong's Ref. #1033
Romanized broma
Pronounced bro'-mah
from the base of GSN0977; food (literally or figuratively),
especially (ceremonially) articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law:
KJV--meat, victuals.
Broma concerns "victuals", (not necessarily "meat" or "flesh" because bread is often called "meat") and even at that it concerns those things which were either allowed or disallowed in Torah depending on the context in which it is used. According to Paulos in this passage the context concerns all of that WHICH GOD CREATED FOR "FOOD". One only needs to inspect the first chapter of Genesis to see what these things are from the beginning, (herbs bearing seed after its kind and fruit trees with fruit bearing seed after their kind) then continue to what was stated to Noah, (which has also been discussed in this thread) and finally take this passage above in the context of the short Epistle from the Apostles and Elders written in Acts 15 which Paulos then delivered to all of the congregations where he went, (also already discussed herein).
1 Timothy 4:4 LIT (Literal Bible with Vertical Strong's Ref. #s)
4.
|3754| Because
|3956| every
|2938| creature
|2316| of God
|9999| {is}
|2570| good,
|2532| and
|3762| nothing
|0579| to be put away,
|3326| with
|2169| thanksgiving
|2983| having been received.
Original Strong's Ref. #2938
Romanized ktisma
Pronounced ktis'-mah
from GSN2936; an original formation (concretely), i.e. product (created thing):
KJV--creature.
Every product which God made for food is good and acceptable to be eaten. However, if I was to understand the passage in the way you appear to be using it, (according to the flesh and pertaining to foods for the belly of the flesh) then people are also "creatures" of God; does that mean it is acceptable to eat people too? In fact read the testimony of Cornelius and be careful how you answer because the only way to understand this once again is to walk according to the Spirit of the Word, ("Arise, Petros, kill and eat!"). :lol:
Daq wrote: " Aww . . . "poor you"? What about all those "poor enemies" of yours who, (instead of being spiritually healed by the hearing of the preaching of the Truth) you will soon be burning to a crisp with words of fire from your mouth? Well, yes, perhaps "poor you" also, for those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart, (and defile the man). "
Why must you constantly display your mis-understandings? First ...of course - you re-write what I wrote to suit your desires... STOP THAT! You have NO right to do it!!! When you infringed on my post by twisting it to " spiritually " - You made an decision to alter my post's meanings to your desires that you could then attack --- unjustly ! Yet, you claim to follow God??? This is the last time I will address your writings as they are NOT directed by our Lord, but rather by your personal and prideful desires!
"Why must you constantly display your mis-understandings? First ...of course - you re-write what I wrote to suit your desires... STOP THAT! You have NO right to do it!!! When you infringed on my post by twisting it to " spiritually " - You made an decision to alter my post's meanings to your desires that you could then attack --- unjustly ! Yet, you claim to follow God??? This is the last time I will address your writings as they are NOT directed by our Lord, but rather by your personal and prideful desires!
A twisting of your words? If you were wise as a serpent but harmless as a dove you would have understood that I spoke of true healing which is spiritual. It is not a twisting of your words, (your pride has blinded you) but rather a correction of your thinking by the Scripture:terry said:Daq wrote: " Aww . . . "poor you"? What about all those "poor enemies" of yours who, (instead of being spiritually healed by the hearing of the preaching of the Truth) you will soon be burning to a crisp with words of fire from your mouth? Well, yes, perhaps "poor you" also, for those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart, (and defile the man).
Why must you constantly display your mis-understandings? First ...of course - you re-write what I wrote to suit your desires... STOP THAT! You have NO right to do it!!! When you infringed on my post by twisting it to " spiritually " - You made an decision to alter my post's meanings to your desires that you could then attack --- unjustly ! Yet, you claim to follow God??? This is the last time I will address your writings as they are NOT directed by our Lord, but rather by your personal and prideful desires!
Matthew 10:6-16 KJV
6. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10. Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11. And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12. And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
16. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
PS ~ You can answer or not answer; it makes no difference to me, for it is not me you need worry about answering to.
And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like? They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:31-32
BiggAndyy said:
Perhaps more like a Filet O'Fish drawn up in the nets of the shores of En Gedi.
Retrobyter said:
Perhaps that is why the Zadokite-Levite Jews of En Gedi moved away from the soul-eating Levite Jews of the old city. :lol:
Did Christ ever dine on pork chops?daq said:How should we liken this? What was and what was not considered "food" in that time is key to the context. Anything forbidden in Torah was not even considered to be edible food, (not even an option to become part of the question). In modern times it might be likened to the following circumstances:
A man sits down to eat with his friends and orders up a bowl of rat poison. One friend says "Hey, don't you know that will kill you? That is not for human consumption; it's rat poison!" The man says to his friend "Yes, I know it's rat poison, but whatsoever goes into the mouth goes into the belly and out into the latrine! Therefore it cannot defile me in the site of God!"
Is the man correct? Yes he is. Is he ceremonially "defiled" in the site of God? Apparently not except for the fact that he may be tempting the Creator, (which is a whole other topic). However, is he also about to be dead? Yes, thoroughly purged and thoroughly dead.
Then his other Pharisee, Sadducee, Scribe friend leans over and asks: "Did you wash your hands before you sat down? You might have unknowingly come into contact with a gentile on your way here!" :lol:
That is the underlying theme of the passage you have quoted.
We all know the answer to that but to whom did he give to dine upon swine?Pelaides said:
In the case of Matthew 8 that would be the Legion of the Girgashites.
Jesus speaks to the apostles;
..And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? "Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?”
(Thus He declared all foods clean.)
And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man."
The dietary Laws of Moses are healthier, no doubt....but by observing them, it does nothing with your standing with God. Eat whatever is set before you, I suppose, & be grateful for what you have withoput complaining about what you do not.
..And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? "Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?”
(Thus He declared all foods clean.)
And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man."
The dietary Laws of Moses are healthier, no doubt....but by observing them, it does nothing with your standing with God. Eat whatever is set before you, I suppose, & be grateful for what you have withoput complaining about what you do not.
This is really eating away at you eh? At least you appear to care. I did not really think anyone would even care about this topic but, then again, it was not my thread OP to begin with, (though it has been fun). However, the epistle from the elders of the Great Congregation from Acts 15 has already been shared and if you do not believe eating blood affects your standing with God, (the nephesh-soul is in the blood mind you) then that is your choice. But when you say that Yeshua "declared all foods clean" that really is a problem because now you are putting words into his mouth so as to "effect" the outcome of your own standing with God. The entire discussion is about washings, immersions, baptisms, and the commandments of men concerning the superstitious cleansing of hands, plates, cups, and the like. If the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, or Elders had found anything at all from Torah, down to the jot or tittle, where the disciples had broken any commandment of God; they surely would have used that violation instead of their own traditions and commandments of men wherein they claimed to have found fault in the passages in question. They had clearly found no fault concerning Torah and this is the case whether speaking of the Matthew or the Mark companion passage. In addition there are different types of "defilement" and this type of defilement has nothing to do with "devils" but rather with ceremonial uncleanness on the outside of the body or from the surface of the skin. The teaching that "eating with defiled hands would defile the inside of the man" was a fallacy because what can defile the inside of the man is unclean spirit of the eyes, heart, and mind, rather than physical dirt on the hands, dishes, or eating utensils. Four different words for washings are employed in the Mark passage revealing that these things speak of purely physical outward washings and immersions. Likewise the thinking, (as in the story above with the rat poison) that coming into physical contact with a gentile or heathen at the marketplace would defile a person is also a fallacy, in spiritual terms, although one can catch flu, cold, etc., from physical contact with anyone who is contagious regardless of race or nationality. In addition, just as Paul used "broma" in the passage already discussed, the same word is employed in the Mark passage showing that the "broma-food" which is spoken of is assumed by the author and the audience of the time to be that "food" which included whatsoever God has already called "food" in his Word. Likewise everyone knew that swine, (just as an example) was not even considered "food" or edible in the Scripture to begin with. Breaking Torah was not the accusation but rather breaking the traditions of the elders. Breaking Torah never even enters into the conversation and neither had it ever even crossed the minds or thoughts of anyone involved in the conversation recorded in either passage:Brothertom said:
Mark 7:1-19 KJV
1. Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2. And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, [GSN#449 aniptos] hands, they found fault.
3. For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash [GSN#3538 nipto] their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4. And when they come from the market, except they wash, [GSN#907 baptizo] they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing [GSN#909 baptismos] of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6. He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11. But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14. And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15. There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17. And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19. Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all [GSN#1033 broma] meats?
Mark 7:19 TUA
19. hoti oukeisporeuetai autou eis ten kardian all eis ten koilian,kai eis ton afedrona ekporeuetai (katharizon panta tabromata)?"
Original Strong's Ref. #1033
Romanized broma
Pronounced bro'-mah
from the base of GSN0977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonially) articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law:
KJV--meat, victuals.
Original Strong's Ref. #449
Romanized aniptos
Pronounced an'-ip-tos
from GSN0001 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of GSN3538; without ablution:
KJV--unwashen.
Original Strong's Ref. #3538
Romanized nipto
Pronounced nip'-to
to cleanse (especially the hands or the feet or the face); ceremonially, to perform ablution:
KJV--wash. Compare GSN3068.
Original Strong's Ref. #907
Romanized baptizo
Pronounced bap-tid'-zo
from a derivative of GSN0911; to immerse, submerge; to make overwhelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the N.T.) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:
KJV--Baptist, baptize, wash.
Original Strong's Ref. #909
Romanized baptismos
Pronounced bap-tis-mos'
from GSN0907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):
KJV--baptism, washing.
Yeshua is actually defending Torah against their own traditions and commandments of men which became a stumbling block unto themselves because their own interpretations, doctrines, and traditions of men, were flawed by a purely physical understanding of Torah.
Our Lord seemed to have a fondness for bread and fish.daq said:We all know the answer to that but to whom did he give to dine upon swine?
In the case of Matthew 8 that would be the Legion of the Girgashites.
The two witnesses may not need to eat anything! They will be preaching primarily to Muslim's so if anything maybe falafel or
pork roast Allah Carte?
pork roast Allah Carte?
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