And this is why JW is not considered part of the Christian faith, because we believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh...Not just a spirit creature or an angel.
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And this is why JW is not considered part of the Christian faith, because we believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh...Not just a spirit creature or an angel.
Oh I LOVE the Holy Spirit being called an active force. He surely is!!!!
But I believe the Holy Spirit is also God.
How can he be god and the son and father be aswell isn't that polytheism. The bible cleary says that jesus was created and holy spirit is his force. (Jehovah's)
Oh I LOVE the Holy Spirit being called an active force. He surely is!!!!
I found a good link if you would like to take a look. I didn't know about the New World Translation, but I can see how you can view the Trinity differently. How was JW version made? So you believe it to be without error? But this explains it through your version I believe...
How to Use the Back of a Napkin to Prove to a Jehovah's Witness That Jesus Is God
How to Use the Back of a Napkin to Prove to a Jehovah's Witness That Jesus Is God
The Holy Bible does not. If it is, please show me the scripture, so I can take a look.
How can he be god and the son and father be aswell isn't that polytheism. The bible cleary says that jesus was created and holy spirit is his force. (Jehovah's)
Oh I LOVE the Holy Spirit being called an active force. He surely is!!!!
I especially like this part:
first impulse of a Jehovah’s Witness, of course, is to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what their theology dictates. In keeping with the teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus.
But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being,”
or in the NWT,
“…and apart from him not even one thing came into existence” (emphasis mine).
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence. Therefore, the Word could not have been created.
In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as they contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
first impulse of a Jehovah’s Witness, of course, is to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what their theology dictates. In keeping with the teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus.
But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being,”
or in the NWT,
“…and apart from him not even one thing came into existence” (emphasis mine).
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence. Therefore, the Word could not have been created.
In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as they contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
Nancy
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Yes it does. And Jesus became flesh through the Holy Spirit of the Living God- through the virgin birth. So to me that says He was 100% divine and 100% human.
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Nancy
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♥♥♥♥♥The Holy Spirit lives in us, so God lives and breathes in us.
*I wish there was hearts in eyes emoticon for this.
you take a napkij serious what next are you going to use McDonald's wrapppers
Nancy
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God can be who ever He will...He IS all in all. A God who created ALL things, and whom NOTHING is impossible. How can we ask the question "how can he..."? His ways are way higher than ours. Every part of God's character is God. His thoughts, His ways...His WORD! And, I believe that God the Son (Living, literally breathed Word of God) came down to earth from on high in the form of a human being. God The Holy Spirit (His literal power manifested in a "person"), and God the Father are ALL of God Himself. Is His literal WORD alive? Has His WORD been with Him from the beginning? IMHO, bottom line is that Our God, who's ways are unsearchable to the puny human mind, is All in All...JMO!
God is a family...He invented family. Did you know that it takes 2 to pro-create...as a symbol of the Father and the Son creating this world?
For a point of clarification: Trinitarians and LDS and LDS acknowledge the Father and the Son to be two different persons, so this sentence doesn't really make a lot of sense.
This is a JW-specific belief. I've been to a lot of other groups (including many exotics) and never encountered another that held this belief.
Again, Trinitarians and LDS belief that there's ONE God. 3 persons, in ONE God. They would also disagree passionately with your 2nd sentence.
OK maybe you can answer this...Why does LDS sound so much like LSD? What is the relation?
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