When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

[mjrhealth]

What the truth is bigotry. is it not your church that calls all who oppses it protestants than kills them, what is worse.Is tha tnot bigotry? If you dont want the truth there are plenety of RC forums quiet happy to have you lie to them. What right does your religious orginisation have to "force" its opinions and dogmas on teh rest of Christianity, it has none, just the ugly twin sister screaming look at me please you must im just as pretty as Her. Sorry, to agree with you would be to deny Jesus and all that is good and i will not do that for any man.
What do you want me to read teh catholic churches opinion of itself, what foolsihness ahe will never make herself out to be what she really is. All you have to do is read teh history books, but you wont becuase you do dont want the truth it is not in you to do so, and if you read them you would deny it all, even oif teh dead came and told you there stroy you wouldnt believe them, you cant to do so would meany your relgion has no relevance. God and Jesus are relevenat even without your church and His beautiful bride His spotless Church will still be here even without yours.

Christ demands nothing of anyone unlike your church.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No He is building one, not yours, you are the one thyat is insisting it is, and you have no eveidence yet teh evidence found in the pages of history for even you tee see speaks volumes against your chruch.


Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

We all have you just dont like it, thats your problem not ours.

Can you point me to the POST where you "answered" the question??
Here it is again for your edification:

Of the 50,000 or so disjointed, perpetually-splintering Protestant sects - WHICH Church is Christ's Church??

The clock is ticking . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

Really funny coming from a person who has NEVER been able to defend his position.

On several threads now, I have asked the following questions, which YOU have never been able to answer:
Can you point me to the "Lord's TRUE Church"??
Which one of the 50,000 or so disjointed, perpetually-splintering Protestant sects is it??

If you can't answer this, then your position is impotent . . .

well, i owe you no explanations, and you have to answer that for yourself; i have already answered it. I have a concept of the Church, as two or three gathered in His Name, which cannot be pointed to--except in the moment--and cannot be defined as a congregation per se, even though the Church is scattered in them, too. My position is quite potent for me, and i do not insist that you agree with it, ok? See, i am not trying to defend my position. Imo you are fine, just like you are, and your defensiveness--because it is you after all who is being so defensive, wadr--is just a manifestation of your faith, that informs me where you stand spiritually, and i can easily read the results, the reaping of this. The parts that serve you, you will keep, and the parts that do not, you will prune. Of course we seek kings because we feel God is impotent for our needs, right?

 

[bbyrd009]

Can you point me to the POST where you "answered" the question??
Here it is again for your edification:

Of the 50,000 or so disjointed, perpetually-splintering Protestant sects - WHICH Church is Christ's Church??

The clock is ticking . . .

you are not "edifying" anyone with this, you are just insisting upon having your way, like a petulant little kid.

 

[bbyrd009]

"the clock is ticking" lol.

Aren't there Catholic sites you guys could go to? Why are you here? Are you ashamed of being Catholics or something? Would you appreciate it if i went to a Catholic site that you frequented, and started blathering on about how the pope represents antichrist, and all Catholics need to deprogram and convert to Christianity?

so look, i am new here, but it strikes me that you are guests, if this is a "Christian" site, and you are being quite rude, with all due respect. I can only guess that the site has been taken over by closet Catholics, or the owners are not paying attention, and the Admins are Catholics, or whatever. You can't imagine that Christians are just suddenly going to toss the Bible and start believing Catholic heresies, c'mon.

 

[Born_Again]

"the clock is ticking" lol.

Aren't there Catholic sites you guys could go to? Why are you here? Are you ashamed of being Catholics or something? Would you appreciate it if i went to a Catholic site that you frequented, and started blathering on about how the pope represents antichrist, and all Catholics need to deprogram and convert to Christianity?

so look, i am new here, but it strikes me that you are guests, if this is a "Christian" site, and you are being quite rude, with all due respect. I can only guess that the site has been taken over by closet Catholics, or the owners are not paying attention, and the Admins are Catholics, or whatever. You can't imagine that Christians are just suddenly going to toss the Bible and start believing Catholic heresies, c'mon.

We're watching. Its a healthy debate until it becomes a mud slinging contest. Then we shut the threads down or ban if needed. But we are reading these. As long as both sides can be respectful of each other and debate with facts and not insults, we let the conversations continue.

God Bless!!

BA

 

[BreadOfLife]

well, i owe you no explanations, and you have to answer that for yourself; i have already answered it. I have a concept of the Church, as two or three gathered in His Name, which cannot be pointed to--except in the moment--and cannot be defined as a congregation per se, even though the Church is scattered in them, too. My position is quite potent for me, and i do not insist that you agree with it, ok? See, i am not trying to defend my position. Imo you are fine, just like you are, and your defensiveness--because it is you after all who is being so defensive, wadr--is just a manifestation of your faith, that informs me where you stand spiritually, and i can easily read the results, the reaping of this. The parts that serve you, you will keep, and the parts that do not, you will prune. Of course we seek kings because we feel God is impotent for our needs, right?

As usual - your posts are filled with "imo's".
Your opinion doesn't matter in light of the truth of Scripture. "imo" is simply an illustration of relativism.

As for what Church is the TRUE Church - No, you haven't told me.
If you have - then point me to the post where you showed me.

 

[BreadOfLife]

you are not "edifying" anyone with this, you are just insisting upon having your way, like a petulant little kid.

And if YOU can't answer the question - make way for somebody who can.

So far - not ONE person has been able to answer this.

 

[bbyrd009]

i don't think anyone is trying to. Don't you have to end up @ "God only accepts Catholics" with your model? Haven't the Crusades taught us anything?

 

[bbyrd009]

As usual - your posts are filled with "imo's".
Your opinion doesn't matter in light of the truth of Scripture. "imo" is simply an illustration of relativism.

As for what Church is the TRUE Church - No, you haven't told me.
If you have - then point me to the post where you showed me.

it seems to me that you are demanding a literal Church which simply does not exist, wadr. The Church is the Bride of Christ, and this is a spiritual concept, not a fleshly one. You posit an external war, when the war is internal; the enemy is the other guy in your bed, the same as it is mine.

 

[OzSpen]

Can yoo point me to the "Lord's TRUE Church"??
Which one of the 50,000 or so disjointed, perpetually-splintering Protestant sects is it??

This should be easy enough for you to do . . .

Please provide me with a link to sound research that demonstrates that there are 50,000 Protestant sects.

 

[Born_Again]

And if YOU can't answer the question - make way for somebody who can.

So far - not ONE person has been able to answer this.

You'll only accept an answer from another member of the RCC so whats the point in anyone else even trying? Do you want to parade around with a sign saying "I Win!" that bad? No one, and mean NO ONE outside of the RCC will give you the answer you want. So stop asking loaded questions.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You'll only accept an answer from another member of the RCC so whats the point in anyone else even trying? Do you want to parade around with a sign saying "I Win!" that bad? No one, and mean NO ONE outside of the RCC will give you the answer you want. So stop asking loaded questions.

No - I wasn't even asking a fellow Catholic. I was asking the anti-Catholics.

An "anti-Catholic" is NOT a person who simply disagrees with what the Church teaches. Is is a person who will resort to lying about historical or documented facts in order to denigrate the Catholic Church.


I will ask the question this way:
If the Catholic Church is NOT the True Church - can you show me which one IS the True Church?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Please provide me with a link to sound research that demonstrates that there are 50,000 Protestant sects.

I didn't say there were 50,000 Protestant sects.
I said that there were 50,000 "or so" Protestant sects, which is an approximation. based on a Protestant source called, World Christian Encyclopedia by Barrett, Kurian, Johnson (Oxford Univ Press, 2nd edition, 2001).
In 2001, there were over 33,000, according to this source. Because 16 years have lapsed since this text was published, I adjusted for time and expansion.

However, if you'd like - I can lower the total number to 33,000 disjointed, perpetually-splintering Protestant sects . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

it seems to me that you are demanding a literal Church which simply does not exist, wadr. The Church is the Bride of Christ, and this is a spiritual concept, not a fleshly one. You posit an external war, when the war is internal; the enemy is the other guy in your bed, the same as it is mine.

Wrong.
By making this claim - you are calling Jesus a liar.

He told Peter that He was building a Church - and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it (Matt. 16:18).
He told His disciples that HIS Church is like a "city on a hill that cannot be hidden" (Matt. 5:14-16).

Anybody who claims that the Church is an invisible entity or that it "simply does not exist", as you say - doesn't know the Scriptures.
I'm not saying that you have to agree that it is the Catholic Church - but you need to point to a Church.

Which one is it??

 

[mjrhealth]

By making this claim - you are calling Jesus a liar.

Your church has being doing that for centuries. not only that, making Him a murder a thief a hypocrit a deciever a scitsophrenic(bad spelling) and many other things. Can you imgine Jesus sending His chruch to murder His people.??

But as someone stated you only listen to catholics this bit

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

this bit

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

and this bit

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Hell will not prevail against His church its being a part of yours forever

 

[mjrhealth]

If the Catholic Church is NOT the True Church - can you show me which one IS the True Church?

all of them who believe, dont you believe?? You want a building you have one actually lots, towers to heaven like babylon. You see believers you see His church but

Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1Co_3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

most importantly

1Co_3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.


1Co_3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

that says it all.

 

[bbyrd009]

yup

 

[OzSpen]

I didn't say there were 50,000 Protestant sects.
I said that there were 50,000 "or so" Protestant sects, which is an approximation. based on a Protestant source called, World Christian Encyclopedia by Barrett, Kurian, Johnson (Oxford Univ Press, 2nd edition, 2001).
In 2001, there were over 33,000, according to this source. Because 16 years have lapsed since this text was published, I adjusted for time and expansion.

However, if you'd like - I can lower the total number to 33,000 disjointed, perpetually-splintering Protestant sects . . .

You have provided documentation, but it is 15 years old. I suggest you go to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity research at Gordon-Conwell Seminary. It estimates that in 2014 there were 45,000 denominations. If you pursue the research accumulated at Gordon-Conwell, you will find that the high number of denominations is linked to the same denomination in various countries. When this becomes one denomination, then the number is much reduced.

Do you know how many Roman Catholic sects there are?

Oz

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your church has being doing that for centuries. not only that, making Him a murder a thief a hypocrit a deciever a scitsophrenic(bad spelling) and many other things. Can you imgine Jesus sending His chruch to murder His people.??

But as someone stated you only listen to catholics this bit

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

this bit

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

and this bit

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Hell will not prevail against His church its being a part of yours forever

And Jesus warned that there would be bad people in His Church (Matt. 7:15-23)
However, this does not translate to Him abandoning His Church as YOU would have us believe.

As for there being evil people in the Church I can't think of ONE single denomination that has only sinless people within it.
When YOU can show me one - maybe I'll leave the Catholic Church and go there . . .