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  1. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    I don't argue with that all. Yes, both man and woman are one flesh, and in that they do foreshadow the oneness of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, of whom through faith, is Both the Father and the Son together in us.
    John 14[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Well, at least we are in agreement with the fact that all people are generated (not created) from the seed of Adam and Eve.
     
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    No.
    They were Very Good.

    Gen 1:
    [31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was B] very good.[/B] And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
     
  3. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    You are not listening.
    No! God was saying that He was pleased with the results of His work!

    The KNOWLEDGE of GOOD came by way of the same tree that made them to be EVIL. So, if you are going to say that they were "good" before they ate of that tree, then you are going to have to say that they were "evil" also, before they ate of it. The fruit of that tree wasn't JUST evil, it was both "good" and "evil".
    You can't have one without the other.
    Now, prior to their fall, they had NO knowledge of good or evil, therefore they were innocent, which means having no knowledge of good or evil.
     
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    Taken Well-Known Member

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    O S I M

    Sure.

    ******* God *******

    God IS GOOD.
    Adam was learning Directly from God,
    Before they ate from the forbidden Tree.

    Scripture said it:
    Gen 1:
    [31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

    I agree with Scripture.

    The "Knowledge" of Good "And" Evil commenced AFTER they ate from the Forbidden tree.

    What it reveals is:
    God provides.
    God makes.
    God is Truth.
    Trusting God, result is Favorable.
    Trusting what Opposes God is Unfavorable.
    Consequences: Good and Bad for choices.
    Knowledge of Good AND Evil Forward now... requires Choices.

    No, Because pryor, they were Only being taught Directly By One Good Source...
    God..

    Correct... a Different Source: A tree.
    Knowledge of Good and Evil.

    God is One (Good), Without the Other (Evil).
    God Has the Knowledge of Both, yet He is Not Both.

    The lesson is:
    Mankind NOW (since that day) has the Knowledge of both...
    And dependent upon a man's CHOICES...
    dictates what that man Shall BE.

    No. They had Gods Word Directly unto them, and the enjoyment of Good and pleasant things to enjoy in Comfort: without their own Effort.

    No. They were not Innocent.
    They had All their Needs and Comforts Provided...without their own Effort (labor).
    They made a CHOICE...
    Their Choice...(was not to do or be Evil)
    Their Choice...(was to DO what they were Commanded to NOT Do)

    The Knowledge revealed:
    is it IS Evil to go Against God.
    Going Against God:
    Will result in an Unfavorable Consequence.

    Gen 2:
    [16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    [17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    They had ONE forbation....ONE!

    Even as they were being prepared with clothing.. They could have Reached out and plucked and ATE the Fruit from:
    the TREE of LIFE...that was in the Garden and FREELY Given them TO EAT.

    Gen 3:
    [22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    ^ They Didn't eat of the Tree of LIFE!
    Consequence? They Shall Surely DIE.
    Did They? Yes.
    (Gen 5:
    [5] And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. )

    Gen 3:
    [23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
    [24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

    Nothing has Changed...
    All of mankind has choices...
    The Consequences for a man's choices is dependent upon his own individual Choices.
    Choose Good, man will be WITH God.
    Choose Evil, man Will be Against and WITHOUT God.

    Matt: 12
    [30] He that is not with me is against me;

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
  5. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Compare Genesis 2:16 with Genesis 3:7.
    What would it mean for Adam and Eve to have their eyes/perception closed??
    Ans. They were innocent in their ignorance!
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Both were ignorant of what good or evil was.
     
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    Lack of Understanding.

    No.

    Knowledge is one thing...
    Not having Knowledge is Ignorance.
    Understanding is another thing...
    Not having Understanding is Blindness.

    They had knowledge before the Fact of eating from the tree of G & E.

    The had Understanding, after the Fact.

    Gen 2:16
    [16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    [17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Gen 3:
    [7] And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
     
  8. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Surely you must know that God was very pleased with the results of His creative work!
    Gen. 1[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    However, if you think that God was calling His Creation good, one must ask: "Did Adam and Eve KNOW that they were more good than God"?
    Before you answer, remember what Jesus said:
    Luke 18[19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
     
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    Surly that is NOT news to you since I have stated that and quoted the Verifying Scripture.

    No.
    CREATION is One thing...
    (The bringing into existance, that which did not exist)
    MAKING is Another thing...
    (Changing something About a CREATED thing)

    God CREATED Man, a body.
    AND THEN "made" a change to that Body.
    The change, was giving it LIFE, "MAKING" that Body Alive.

    Gen 1: 31
    God saw every thing that he had made , and, behold, it was very good,

    Nonsense question.
    Nothing indicates, that they were, or knew or thought they were.

    Well aware of what Jesus said.
    It's a TRUTH that Once applied to all natural living men, and stopped applying to natural living men:
    After Jesus' Ascension..
    And For men:
    who became/become Converted.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
  10. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Earburner wrote:
    Compare Genesis 2:16-17 with Genesis 3:7.
    What would it mean for Adam and Eve to have their eyes/perception closed??

    "Taken" replied:
    "Lack of Understanding".

    "Earburner's" reply:
    Correct! Adam and Eve had NO understanding of what the knowledge of good and evil was, before their eyes (understanding) became opened.
    As a result, prior to eating of that tree, their eyes were not opened to either evil OR GOOD.
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    I would appreciate it if you would copy/paste the complete sentence of what I have written, and not copy/paste only part of it.
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    *Earburner wrote:
    one must ask: "Did Adam and Eve KNOW that they were more good than God"?

    Taken replied:
    Nonsense question.
    Nothing indicates, that they were, or knew or thought they were.

    Earburner's reply:
    *Since you only wanted respond to part of what I wrote, you confined my reasoning for your purposes.
    However, I will make it clear of what I mean concerning Genesis 1:31.
    God saw every thing that he had made , and, behold, it was very good,...

    So again, according to how you interpret,
    did Adam and Eve know that they were very good?
    If then they were VERY good, and God Himself is only good, and not very good, did A&E KNOW that they were more good than God?

    Or is it more to the truth, that in Genesis 1:31, God was only saying that the creative work He had performed was very good, thus being very pleased with His own work?

    The latter, I'm sure is more likely the truth!
     
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    Philip James Well-Known Member

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    'if today you hear My voice, harden not your heart' !

    Are we ready to stand before the Lord today?

    If not, better get cracking.. ;)

    Peace!
     
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    Philip James Well-Known Member

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    I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live,


    Our culture has degenerated into what (imo) JohnPaul the Great rightly called 'the culture of death'.
    That it is unlikely to improve does not excuse us from standing for LIFE. We are called to be beacons of light in the darkness...
    Let your light shine! The more so as you see the Day drawing near... And hold your heads high! For our Lord IS coming..

    Peace be with you!
     
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    Hello earburner,

    Really? Are you suggesting that evil is eternal? If not, then surely Good can exist without evil...

    Peace!
     
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    So then, to complete my thoughts as I had stated, the results of A&E's condition, prior to eating of that tree, was that their eyes were not opened to either EVIL OR GOOD, therefore they were innocent.
     
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    Prior to A&E's eyes being opened to the knowledge of both good and evil, they were closed to the knowledge of both good and evil.
    If you understand that, and agree with it, then the only other conclusion available, is that they were innocent.
    However, if somehow you think that A&E were created as being "good", as only God is Good, then now you would be saying that A&E are God.
     
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    Now, getting back to the title of this thread, "When is Judgment Day?", the following scripture fully describes that one judgment for our death, did commence completely and utterly, in the day when A&E were restricted from partaking of "the Tree of Life". Since then, we all do surely die, physically, spiritually and eternally....lost forever, as the scriptures say:
    KJV- Heb. 9[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but...

    But WHAT?
    ....[but] after this (after the first judgment of death for all), the judgment (for the Gift of Life Eternal came):
    [28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that *look for him, shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

    When was the judgment for eternal death?
    Ans. Through Adam! John 3:18, as shown of us being "condemned already", because of unbelief in Jesus.

    When was the judgment for Eternal Life?
    Ans. Through Jesus! John 3:18, as shown of us being "not condemned", because of belief in Jesus.

    *Note:
    Luke 11:9-13
    1 John 5:13
     
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    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    it is the last day.
     
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