I would say Salvation and Wrath are connected, but not how you are presenting it.
It is the securing of our soul and the escape from the second death. Physical suffering or death means nothing to those eternally secure in Christ.
ORDER, ORDER, ORDER.
Gods Word, and what God does is VERY ORERLY.....for Each Individual person.
Every person IS AN INDIVIDUAL, and what APPLIES to ONE Person, doesn't necessarily APPLY to another. INDIVIDUALS have FREEWILL to make their OWN CHOICES. I am not responsible for what ANY Other person chooses.
What another Chooses, What I Choose....and what EITHER OF US can EXPECT to be the RESULT of our Choices, IS clearly Revealed IN Scripture.
So...when you come to say things like "It's God's plan that I be lifted up above the destruction upon the Earth"....I ask...where's the bible verse for that?
It is a STUDY of multiple Verses. The Teaching IN Scripture, According to WHAT "YOU" do, and then WHAT "APPLIES to YOU".
I have the bible verses that say my soul is secure from God's wrath, that the second death will never touch me. I have the verses that say I will be persecuted, hated, killed. I have the verse that shows Christ praying to the Father to not take us out of the world. But I just don't have the verses that show us flying on out of here when things get bad. For many of our brothers and sisters, things are already bad.
For Me. Verses DO NOT Save me.
Scripture INFORMS ME of KNOWLEDGE.
God INFORMS ME of (His) UNDERSTANDING.
My SOUL "WAS" Corrupt.
It is the Lord who "SAVED" my SOUL "FROM" Corruption.
WHY?
My belief, My Submission TO Him.
WHY?
Lords gracious Offering TO me.
HOW?
My repentance, My Vow/Word of Submission.
HOW?
Lords POWER
WHAT?
RESTORED my SOUL, ----> to UNCORRUPT
WHAT?
His POWER
Result?
My SOUL is NO LONGER "APPOINTED" TO His WRATH (ANGER).
My SOUL IS RESTORED.
My SOUL SHALL NOT;
have the Lord ANGRY with me;
be EVER away From the Lord;
be PUNISHED by the Lord;
be WITHOUT the Lord WITH my SOUL;
have the Lord EVER take His Life from my SOUL.
SIMILAR goes for MY "spirit".
MY "spirit", was "NOT RESTORED",
my 'spirit" WAS "BORN AGAIN";
my "spirit" WAS BORN of Gods SEED;
my "new spirit" IS NOT subject to Gods anger;
my "new spirit" FOREVER has the Lord WITH me and me WITH the Lords Spirit;
my "new spirit" is NOT subject to Destruction or Death.
It's a strange argument? Okay...let's see...who is the 'wrath of God' upon and why? And how do we avoid it?
Not strange to me.
What is strange is your argument.
You give Scripture of Gods eternal Salvation, BUT THEN, When it comes Time for the Lord to Begin SHOWING HIS ANGER TOWARD the UNSAVED, and begins SEPARATING the Saved and Born Again.....FROM the UN-saved, and UN-born again...for some reason YOU THINK
His method for SEPARATING...is NOT Taught or Agreeable with you.
So, God's wrath is upon those who do not obey the Son, who are ungodly and unrighteous. And we are saved from God's wrath by the blood of Christ. So...how is it that my argument that "we are saved from the 'wrath of God' by salvation; by the blood of Christ,not by being Raptured away from the danger zone when the wrath goes down"...so strange? Is it not biblical?
You confuse DIVISION with SEPARATION.
DIVISION is "NOW", and has been since the Beginning.
Jesus UPPED the "DIVISION".
OT men KEPT their ALLEGIENCE TO GOD, by and through the Law and Works.
2,000 + years ago JESUS OFFERED men SALVATION "NOW", "WITHOUT" the Law, "WITHOUT" Works....and Solely ON ....
A mans EFFORT to Learn and Believe.
The Learning & Believing man Receiving FAITH "from the Lord"
A mans Heartfelt SUBMISSION of his Belief and gained Faith.
And the Lords ACCEPTANCE of the mans CONFESSION.
And the Lords POWER to "restore" the mans soul and "quicken" the mans spirit and Forever: BY HIS POWER ........KEEP the man Unto Himslf, and "SEPARATE" that man (soul and spirit AND BODILY "from" ALL OTHERS who REJECTED HIM.
It's strange to me. I would think that if the doctrine of 'heavenly escape' was indeed a 'thing', that scripture would get a little more specific over it.
It does. You simply do not APPLY to yourself, what ACTUALLY APPLIES.
IF you are saved and born again....WHY would the Lord BE ANGRY WITH YOU?
WHY would the Lord want YOU...to be ON EARTH suffering HIS ANGER, He has prepared for those who REJECT HIM?
The End of Days IS for MEN ON EARTH, who Rejected thee Lord God to experience HIS anger and REVENGE.
Saved and quickened men have been EXPERIENCING the "WRATH OF MEN" for centuries. Believers have been Persecusted, Hated, Tortured, Wrongly Accused, Killed....
BY MEN, for a mans Faith In thee Lord God.
And YOU want to BE ON Earth, WhILE God is angry and punishing and taking vengeance upon men Who Rejected thee Lord God, and persecuted the Fiathful? WHY?
Even the Lord God Himself WILL NOT BE ON EARTH....He will BE ABOVE the Earth PUNISHING the Earth and its Inhabitants.
Those who advocate for it have to duck and weave pretty hard, to my way of thinking.
I find your comments "duck and weave" and others comments, as if... Your disbeliefs are justified by your aloof comments.
Others were aloof about Gods Anger of mens Disbelief IN HIM, and His warning of a Great Flood for those WHO rejected Him.
Few were saved In that Great day of Gods Destruction UPON the Earth...
Gods Great Day of Destruction is COMING AGAIN....IF you choose to REMAIN ON EARTH; God is JUST, we all get what we CHOOSE.
Scripture has foretold of "another" Great time of Destruction...when the Saved shall BE 'LIKE NOAH"; LIFTED UP ABOVE THE EARTH, out of harms way of the Lord Destruction UPON the Earth.
FYI...FEW were saved in Noah's Day.
While the Destruction was first BY WATER...the Second shall Be by FIRE...and again FEW will be Saved.
They have to ignore Christ's 'do not take them out of this world'.
WHO is "THEM"?
Unbelievers?
Jews who do not believe in Christ the Messiah?
Christians who believe in thee Lord God?
Christians who believe but have not Confessed belief?
Glory to God,
Taken