Oh yes, sorry I assume most people know that.....I think this is the sister forum to CF? Same kind of design and same rules....just not so rigid on spiritual topics.I assume that CF is Christianity Forum?
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Oh yes, sorry I assume most people know that.....I think this is the sister forum to CF? Same kind of design and same rules....just not so rigid on spiritual topics.I assume that CF is Christianity Forum?
This forum's software is by the same company that does CF -- it's not a religious company, they just do software.Oh yes, sorry I assume most people know that.....I think this is the sister forum to CF? Same kind of design and same rules....just not so rigid on spiritual topics.
A big AMEN to that! CF has its good points, but it is overwhelmingly a staunchly Religiously oppressive environment.This forum's software is by the same company that does CF -- it's not a religious company, they just do software.
I'm not in charge here, but I would not that this forum is remotely a sister forum of CF. In fact, many of the people on here came here after having horrible experiences with CF (myself included). This forum is much more welcoming and open.
My article refuting the 'rapture to heaven' theory, isn't up for debate.It was somewhat of a pun.....I suppose for newcomers it may prove to be an interesting topic for debate....for those who have been here awhile are probably done with that merry-go-round. I have read many of your posts on CF concerning prophesy and end times....some I have agreed with others not so much but it works both ways.
Thanks for your effort in this post, Ac28.Not one verse you quoted is TO or ABOUT anyone living today. Except for Christ, everything written TO and ABOUT us today is found ONLY in Paul's 7 books written AFTER Acts - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon.
Be careful what you wish for.I do not wish to go to live in the 'highest heaven'. that is waaaay beyond my pay grade.
I don't think we are taken into the 3rd Heaven for certain because that is God's Throne and His Holy of Holies....I am just learning about the 3 heavens as well as mention of 3 earth ages so I am trying to study on that too.My article refuting the 'rapture to heaven' theory, isn't up for debate.
It simply proves the falsity and complete deception of that Satanic lie.
I don't like to have to say this, but those who just push those scriptural Truths aside and carry on in their belief that God is going to rapture them, may face a tougher time at the Judgement.
What I look forward to; is the amazing time of living during the Millennium, with Jesus as King.Be careful what you wish for.
I don't think we are taken into the 3rd Heaven for certain because that is God's Throne and His Holy of Holies....I am just learning about the 3 heavens as well as mention of 3 earth ages so I am trying to study on that too.
If you try to figure out the Understanding of Gods Word, in your MIND...its a fail.
Please recite this Bible book, chapter, verse for me?
Recite that CLEAR point....as you said "God became man".
Wow, how immature. No one said that, and even saying something so childish is out of line in a discussion about the Lord.
Three times you have said this was clearly IN scrpture....
Please provide the scripture.
God Bless,
Taken
Disagree.
Phil 2:6
Disagree
1 Pet 1:23
Disagree
1 Pet 1:23
Who said they were?Bodies, souls, spirits are not the same things.
It appears to me, you do not consider learning step by step what exactly occurs, and then mix what applies to one thing, to another thing, and call things that are not those things.
Body's die and become raised and glorified.
Souls are restored.
Spirits are born again with Gods Seed.
I am not waiting for my "spirit" to become SIN FREE.....It already IS.
Totally agree.
I have not objected to calling Jesus a man...
What you clearly call him is A HUMAN.
Seriously, you think the Lord Jesus, came out of the EARTH?
Or that HUMANS came forth out from Heaven?
Scripture CLEARLY teaches.
1) God was IN Heaven
2) Jesus came forth out from God.
Only to a special few.The Problem...
I'm trying to speak to you of holy and spriitual things, and you are speaking of MINDFUL and silly Worldly things.
I speak of THEE Lord God Almighty....and you somehow conclude that does not speak of the Godhead, because I do not call THEE Lord God Almighty "persons'.
Seems we are done.
I have an agenda going after Gods Understanding.....and you appear content with MINDful understanding.
Please read... Rom 8:7 (a)
Maybe you will figure out how the silly words you use when discussing spiritual things, is a glaring clue, we are not on the same page.
God Bless,
Taken
Um....pardon me....but...isn't that what we do every time we read scripture? Aren't you saying, in effect, that it is "a fail" to try and understand scripture when we read it?
How then, do you propose we understand God if not by the very word he has given us for this purpose?
Why not? "In my Father's house" is nothing less than God's Heaven, the third heaven, where He is seated on His throne, and Christ is seated on His throne at the right hand of the Father.I don't think we are taken into the 3rd Heaven for certain because that is God's Throne and His Holy of Holies.
You think it immature, but for those who clearly see scripture saying that Christ became fully man, your insistance that he 'only looked like it', like some sort of cheap ruse so he could blend in with the locals, is the cheap shot, taking so much out of the incarnation and what it meant.
Passages?
Philippians 2:5–8 is perhaps the most descisive.
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
You may say, "Ah ha! 'form' only means outward image!'...but does it?
We know that Christ was equal to God, that the fullness of diety dwelt in him:
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, -Colossians 2:9
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, -Colossians 1:19
So we can conclude that when Phillipians 2:6 talks about Christ having the "form" of God, it means, by 'form', that he was God. And if the same word is then used for him taking the 'form' of human, we must conclude that Christ was fully human, just as he was fully God. The only way you can ignore the correlation between the words and how the writer uses them, is if you try to argue that Christ was not also fully God, which the text outright states.
I can't answer why not....which is why I said "I don't think"....but somewhere along my studies I remember running across a teaching saying that the highest position in Heaven is what God occupies and He sits on His throne....Jesus will be seated next to Him after the Battle of Armageddon....then there will be others of high rank depending on their faith...the martyrs will be seated with Him....Why not? "In my Father's house" is nothing less than God's Heaven, the third heaven, where He is seated on His throne, and Christ is seated on His throne at the right hand of the Father.
If Christians would simply remember that the Resurrection/Rapture is for the PERFECTION AND GLORIFICATION of the saints, they would have no problem understanding that (1) all the saints who have passed on are presently in Heaven and (2) all the saints at the Rapture will also be in Heaven. Heaven is our eternal home, and more precisely, the New Jerusalem in Heaven.
What did Stephen say to Christ before he died? "Lord Jesus receive my spirit". And where would his spirit be received other than in Heaven?
And before he said that, he also said this: Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:56)
First thing we've agreed about I think. This really should go no further.
TRUE...the highest position in Heaven is what God occupies and He sits on His throne.
FALSE. Jesus is presently seated at the right hand of the Father.Jesus will be seated next to Him after the Battle of Armageddon
FALSE. There is no Scripture to support this....then there will be others of high rank depending on their faith.
FALSE. There is no Scripture to support this....the martyrs will be seated with Him.
I can't answer why not....which is why I said "I don't think"....but somewhere along my studies I remember running across a teaching saying that the highest position in Heaven is what God occupies and He sits on His throne....Jesus will be seated next to Him after the Battle of Armageddon....then there will be others of high rank depending on their faith...the martyrs will be seated with Him....
I can't give a clear understanding of the 3rd Heaven because I am still researching it.
If you have any good study references you would like to share I would certainly read them! Thanks!