Where do people get the spiritual authority?

[MatthewG]

Jesus AKA God gave Peter authority.

What does that mean to you? Peter was given the authority? What does that mean for the rest of the whole world?

Peter did have authority, so did Paul, so did John, So did Jesus?

Is that what you mean to say that these people in the bible had authority?

Yes, they did, and they were assigned to keep the "Church bride of Christ" together, pure, holy, undeflied, unbelmished, without spot or wrinkle until Yeshua came back.


They did their job. Today I see Yahavah/God as the one whom writes on the hearts and minds of those whom are his, today and that is all by the Spirit of Christ.

Not men, or people today who say you must do this, or you must do that, but Yahavah/God whom writes on the hearts and minds of those whom are his.

 

[MatthewG]

When it comes down to this question. Where do people get the authority?


What does that mean to you personally when someone uses the bible, and they say you must do this, you must do that, otherwise you are not a follower of Jesus Christ, nor a believer in God...

That is the type of authority I am talking about, they believe that they are the judge, they are the authority which stands between between you and your Maker...

That is the type of Authority I am talking about, where do people get this supposed "authority?" Some say it's God himself that gives them the authority to do so...


I personally think that is way out there.

Anyone who says that there are things to come about today, such as ends times, they actually have to their predications come true. I am not saying they are not a believer, but I am saying if they are gonna suggest.


"The end of the world is coming soon, and that Jesus is coming back again soon."

They are free to believe that, but they have no authority to make anyone else believe the same thing.

You see what I am saying ? Do you get it now? Because once they start saying "they do not believe how I believe, and because of them having said Jesus already came back and the end times are already over with" they must heretics and not a person who is faithful, nor has any connection with God, because they are deceived!

There is also the issue people people getting conned out there money, in order to recieve a blessing? Who gives people the authority to misuse the bible like that, even supposed faith healers, and conartists who swindle people.

Where did they get the authority to do so? I guess the bible, or God right?
They say God told me you are gonna be healed of your back pains!
Or some other weird thing...
God told me you gonna reiceve a finical blessing in your life!


That is where people get it wrong. They place themselves as the authority to judge other people, when all people whom follow Christ are suppose to live by and through his spirit which is given to the hearts of individuals to simply have love for them.

You’re questioning where people claim to get spiritual authority—especially those who use the Bible to command or judge others, saying, “You must do this or you’re not truly a believer.” You find it troubling when individuals act like gatekeepers between someone and God, declaring who’s saved or deceived based on personal interpretations.

You challenge the idea that anyone can force belief—especially around things like the end times or divine prophecy. Belief should be personal, not coerced.

You also express deep concern over spiritual manipulation, such as faith healers or “prophets” promising blessings in exchange for money. You ask: Who gave them the authority to misuse the Bible like that?

In the end, you emphasize that true followers of Christ should be guided by love and the spirit within—not by people elevating themselves as judges over others.

 

[amadeus]

@MatthewG Good to see you still interacting here my friend. May God richly bless you.

 

[MatthewG]

@MatthewG Good to see you still interacting here my friend. May God richly bless you.

Thankful that you are still alive and breathing as well @amadeus! Hope your family is doing good.

 

[nedsk]

What does that mean to you? Peter was given the authority? What does that mean for the rest of the whole world?

Peter did have authority, so did Paul, so did John, So did Jesus?

Is that what you mean to say that these people in the bible had authority?

Yes, they did, and they were assigned to keep the "Church bride of Christ" together, pure, holy, undeflied, unbelmished, without spot or wrinkle until Yeshua came back.


They did their job. Today I see Yahavah/God as the one whom writes on the hearts and minds of those whom are his, today and that is all by the Spirit of Christ.

Not men, or people today who say you must do this, or you must do that, but Yahavah/God whom writes on the hearts and minds of those whom are his.

It means that Jesus gave Peter authority over HIS church.

 

[Behold]

People assume they have the authority to overtly cover and decide for others what is right and what is wrong concerning the bible.

Regardng the NT Church, you have One Apostle who was nominated by Jesus to bring to the Body of Christ, the "church doctrine".

This is Paul the Apostle.
This is why He wrote most of the NT Epistles where you find the doctrine for the Body of Christ, "The Church".

So, when a person, a pastor, a pope, a denomination, does not know this, then they are not "correct" regarding their Theology.
And moreso, there is a specific understanding that the Holy Spirit gives only to those who study Paul's Theology, according to his specific doctrine, and only these people have "perfect" understanding, regarding the NT, "doctrine".

 

[nedsk]

Regardng the NT Church, you have One Apostle who was nominated by Jesus to bring to the Body of Christ, the "church doctrine".

This is Paul the Apostle.
This is why He wrote most of the NT Epistles where you find the doctrine for the Body of Christ, "The Church".

So, when a person, a pastor, a pope, a denomination, does not know this, then they are not "correct" regarding their Theology.
And moreso, there is a specific understanding that the Holy Spirit gives only to those who study Paul's Theology, according to his specific doctrine, and only these people have "perfect" understanding, regarding the NT, "doctrine".

"Nominated" by Jesus? You need to cite a chapter and verse for that one.

 

[MatthewG]

It means that Jesus gave Peter authority over HIS church.

Okay, I understood that part. Does Jesus still do that today with people to you in your prevue?

 

[nedsk]

Okay, I understood that part. Does Jesus still do that today with people to you in your prevue?

What did Jesus say? The netherworld will never prevail over his church which he gave Peter authority over. On Pentacost the Holy Spirt rested upon them. Its nonsensical to believe Jesus didnt intend for HIS church to go on until the end of the world.

 

[MatthewG]

What did Jesus say? The netherworld will never prevail over his church which he gave Peter authority over. On Pentacost the Holy Spirt rested upon them. Its nonsensical to believe Jesus didnt intend for HIS church to go on until the end of the world.

If you believe that the end of the world is coming, then your predictions must come to fruition.

People have been saying this world is going to come to an end for over 1000 years.

That is all I can say. While some people believe the "end of the world," is talking about today, I believe the context concerns that of the end of the Mosiac Age, the World that Jesus had lived in and knew, was going to come to an end.

The reason why, is because once John the Baptist had shown upon the seen, everything mentioned in Malachi started to become into play.

While you may rely on passage of scripture for your belief, I'm personally considering the whole.

That doesn't mean you have to accept what I am saying but test it out for yourself if you want.


The great and dreadful day of the LORD was going to come upon that generation which Jesus spoke of, and also gather that Church bride then in that day.

 

[Kokyu]

People assume they have the authority to overtly cover and decide for others what is right and what is wrong concerning the bible.

Is there a passage of scripture which one can take the bible for today, and assert this authority over people?

Because from my understanding, there is no such scripture which a person can take the words written in the bible and make them for us today because the book was never written to us, in America for example, or Canada, or A specific person in a state.

Revelation was written to 7 literal churches with living breathing people.

So how can people assert this authority if there is no passage of scripture which state "and these letters are to everyone ever more."

Do you believe what the Bible says about Jesus dying "once for all"? Do you believe he is the Savior of all mankind throughout the last two millennia? If not, why not?

If you do believe that Jesus is the Savior of us today, why wouldn't his truth given to his first disciples not be pertinent to we who are his disciples now? If the teachings Jesus gave to his disciples in the Gospels, and in the rest of the NT through divine inspiration, were generally universally-applicable, if those teachings have an enduring, objective authority over all of his disciples throughout time, then we can say to each other today, "This is what God's word says, so you ought to believe and do it." The authority to do so, doesn't originate in us, though, right? It is an authority to which we point when we say to each other, "You ought to believe and do this." God's word is authoritative because it is His word, not because, when I cite it, I'm a pastor, or discipler, or teacher.

The Early Church recognized that the teachings of Christ and the teachings of those he personally, directly made his apostles, held general truth applicable to all throughout time. And so, there was much copying of the letters and Gospels of the NT that went on. The spiritual truth given to the church at Ephesus was not Ephesus-specific, though the reasons for why that truth was given were location-specific. I hope you can understand the difference, here. It's the difference between what was given and why it was given. The Ephesians needed to be told certain truths applicable to all for reasons that were (at least somewhat) unique to the believers in Ephesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Do you believe what the Bible says about Jesus dying "once for all"? Do you believe he is the Savior of all mankind throughout the last two millennia? If not, why not?

If you do believe that Jesus is the Savior of us today, why wouldn't his truth given to his first disciples not be pertinent to we who are his disciples now? If the teachings Jesus gave to his disciples in the Gospels, and in the rest of the NT through divine inspiration, were generally universally-applicable, if those teachings have an enduring, objective authority over all of his disciples throughout time, then we can say to each other today, "This is what God's word says, so you ought to believe and do it." The authority to do so, doesn't originate in us, though, right? It is an authority to which we point when we say to each other, "You ought to believe and do this." God's word is authoritative because it is His word, not because, when I cite it, I'm a pastor, or discipler, or teacher.

The Early Church recognized that the teachings of Christ and the teachings of those he personally, directly made his apostles, held general truth applicable to all throughout time. And so, there was much copying of the letters and Gospels of the NT that went on. The spiritual truth given to the church at Ephesus was not Ephesus-specific, though the reasons for why that truth was given were location-specific. I hope you can understand the difference, here. It's the difference between what was given and why it was given. The Ephesians needed to be told certain truths applicable to all for reasons that were (at least somewhat) unique to the believers in Ephesus.

Do you believe Jesus died “once for all” and is the Savior of humanity over the past two millennia? If so, shouldn’t his teachings remain relevant for us today? What Christ taught his first disciples, and what was recorded in the New Testament, holds enduring authority—not because of who quotes it, but because it’s God’s word.

The Early Church understood this and actively preserved the Gospels and apostolic letters, recognizing their universal truth beyond original context. For instance, truths shared with the church in Ephesus were universally applicable, even though the reasons for delivering them were locally specific. It's vital to distinguish the timeless truth from the unique circumstances that prompted it.







What is your overall point exactly?

 

[nedsk]

If you believe that the end of the world is coming, then your predictions must come to fruition.

People have been saying this world is going to come to an end for over 1000 years.

That is all I can say. While some people believe the "end of the world," is talking about today, I believe the context concerns that of the end of the Mosiac Age, the World that Jesus had lived in and knew, was going to come to an end.

The reason why, is because once John the Baptist had shown upon the seen, everything mentioned in Malachi started to become into play.

While you may rely on passage of scripture for your belief, I'm personally considering the whole.

That doesn't mean you have to accept what I am saying but test it out for yourself if you want.


The great and dreadful day of the LORD was going to come upon that generation which Jesus spoke of, and also gather that Church bride then in that day.

Test what? The end of the world will come but my world, my life, will end long before that day so I need to be ready. I have no need to "test" anything you believe

 

[MatthewG]

Test what? The end of the world will come but my world, my life, will end long before that day so I need to be ready. I have no need to "test" anything you believe

Kay.

 

[amigo de christo]

What did Jesus say? The netherworld will never prevail over his church which he gave Peter authority over. On Pentacost the Holy Spirt rested upon them. Its nonsensical to believe Jesus didnt intend for HIS church to go on until the end of the world.

and it wont prevail over his church , which peter darn sure was of that church .
But if you think the RCC IS , just know and understand
that CHRIST FIRST AND FOREMOST with every other apostel to include peter
WOULD have rebuked that place and warned any and all to come out of her .
The church , oh its still here and doing quite well in CHRIST
and it darn sure aint clinging to these sold out leaders
of which are many even in the protestant realm . But boy is it hated and accused of being haters .
The world cannot hate you
but ME it hates for i expose its evil . And so do his sheep .

 

[amigo de christo]

Test what? The end of the world will come but my world, my life, will end long before that day so I need to be ready. I have no need to "test" anything you believe

YOU SURE about that . You are in grave danger my friend .
YOU ABSOLUTEY say MY LIFE will END LONG , LONG before that day
and yet what i say to one
i say to all , WATCH and BE READY for that DAY DOES APPROACH and their so called peace n safety
is not gonna lead them to peace n safety . RATHER SUDDEN destuction .
The only thing you seem to be right about is BEING READY .
but if a man can say Words you just did , as THOUGH IN NO WAY this will occur
anytime soon , long after even you are gone . ME oh my very very deadly to even THINK
let alone SAY .

 

[nedsk]

and it wont prevail over his church , which peter darn sure was of that church .
But if you think the RCC IS , just know and understand
that CHRIST FIRST AND FOREMOST with every other apostel to include peter
WOULD have rebuked that place and warned any and all to come out of her .
The church , oh its still here and doing quite well in CHRIST
and it darn sure aint clinging to these sold out leaders
of which are many even in the protestant realm . But boy is it hated and accused of being haters .
The world cannot hate you
but ME it hates for i expose its evil . And so do his sheep .

You talk a lot but dont really say much do you? Your strip mall church hasnt been around for 2000 years the rcc has

 

[nedsk]

YOU SURE about that . You are in grave danger my friend .
YOU ABSOLUTEY say MY LIFE will END LONG , LONG before that day
and yet what i say to one
i say to all , WATCH and BE READY for that DAY DOES APPROACH and their so called peace n safety
is not gonna lead them to peace n safety . RATHER SUDDEN destuction .
The only thing you seem to be right about is BEING READY .
but if a man can say Words you just did , as THOUGH IN NO WAY this will occur
anytime soon , long after even you are gone . ME oh my very very deadly to even THINK
let alone SAY .

You people seem to think volume of content wins the day. LMBO

 

[amigo de christo]

You talk a lot but dont really say much do you? Your strip mall church hasnt been around for 2000 years the rcc has

my church has been around . its the RCC that has no idea of what this even means .

 

[amigo de christo]

You people seem to think volume of content wins the day. LMBO

The RCC and scores of that protestant realm sure wont WIN the day . NOT ON HIS DAY anyway .
Might i suggest we return to the scriptures for our own selves .
Kinda funny how the memebers of the RCC make a truth that says
they had the scrips
and yet THEY DARN SURE DONT SEEM to FOLLOW THOSE WRITINGS , they heed men
who speak and teach contrary , as do many within the protestant realm .
KINDA reminds me of JOEL OSTEEN
oh he is fast to pick up a bible
and to even say the TRUTH that THESE are GOD WORDS
but bud , THAT MAN KNOWS Neither GOD or HIS WORDS . you do realize
that deception runs wild these days and that men can lie . BUT GOD HE cannot lie .
People can say anything they want FOR or against the bible
its plain to see those who speak evil against it are lost
BUT MANY can also claim its validity and YET STILL BE WOLVES IN WOOL . learn quickly
cause times running out .