Pella or Petra might be a better choice.So, knowing of the coming flood of persecution, why would you ( or any post trib believer) not want to be in the safety of God on mount Zion in Jerusalem during the GT?
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Pella or Petra might be a better choice.So, knowing of the coming flood of persecution, why would you ( or any post trib believer) not want to be in the safety of God on mount Zion in Jerusalem during the GT?
Well now that's a twist. My post was NOT just about those who have died, and they are not in the "grave" anyway. Their rotting flesh and bones is though, but that's all. My post was in response to how you propose a "rapture" just for the sake of the deceived. That idea is not written in God's Word, period. That's WHY I covered the Scripture points to you that I did. Might want to re-read what I covered about it.terry said:Veteran not a single scripture you posted referenced what I posted... not one. you usually seem to be very bright so I have allot of difficulty seeing why you miss my points so often. Your post was about those from the grave....mine was not. your post was about inheriting Heaven, mine was not. You completely missed my points - was it on purpose? As far as me being one of the Two Witnesses, I have no problem with anyone being a skeptic, but to attempt claiming I am trying to fool anyone.. that I strongly have issue with. One of the major problems I see in this forum is people utterly side-stepping any issue they do not wish to face.
I don't think I have to worry about credibility, I don't go claiming I'm one of the two witnesses of Rev.11 that will be killed in Jerusalem and left laying in the street. Don't think I dislike you Terry because of your claim. As far as proof, there is none, and there won't be until the event happens in Jerusalem for everyone to see. So we all can remain skeptical about your claim until you've proven it through that Rev.11 event taking place. Clearly, that event has not happened yet, so I with others remain skeptical of your claim, and are justified in The LORD by doing so. Afterall, it's His Word that is more important, not yours. Until that event I am also justified in thinking you could be trying to fool people.terry said:your credibility is waning when I realize you seem to have no the ability to understand any point but what you want to make. I requested you to change your stance because I like you, even though we are often at odds, sometimes adamantly. Trying to fool people into thinking I am one of the Two Witnesses??? THAT idea does not work as I often say I have no problem with anyone being a skeptic, in fact I encourage it, I just don't want anyone to do what you have just done... use Denial withOut Proof or Evidence. It is amazing to me that people have not realized my words are NOT even close to the words that "claimers" use.
That's a doctrine of Jewish origin, a fleshy Milennium reign by Christ. It does not align with what is written about the resurrection at Christ's coming in many Scriptures, even specific Scriptures I've addressed that you refuse... to address. So all you're doing now is trying to come up with anything and everything that gets away from that point as far as possible, which definitely is not a sign of one of the two witnesses prophesying God's Truth.terry said:Why do you not get that when Christ Jesus comes to rule on Earth that it is here where there are physical people??? What reason do you have to think that every person on the planet will be at Armageddon? - And EVERYONE on earth will die? You do not get that if it was the way you understand it then MANKIND's reasoning would FORCE people top believe for self preservation/
Get this... Satan will reason with man and in order for that to work.. mankind's reasoning CANNOT be dismissed. For your understanding to work... God will have to re-write and change the past, not just simply explain it. It is a good thing you know the Word of God... It is not a good thing if you cannot apply it, nor understand it. ONE must be able to build a working model - it is that simple.
You have been very vague with that reason idea. God has give us the correct way to reason, and it is with Him in His Word. When He foretells us what will happen and we don't heed it, then reason has gone out the window. And that's what has happened to anyone who thinks there will be a 'rapture' during or before the tribulation just to protect them from falling away to receive the mark of the beast, or bowing to his image. Christ Jesus is looking for those who are willing to make a stand for Him during the tribulation, not to fly away to escape it.terry said:Don't you realize how easy it would be for me to make-up false prophecies that I could then interpret anyway I wanted by being vague, or making prophecies about things in great detail but say they are for the far future so no one could dispute it.. yet I have never done any of these things nor even tried to. Instead all my writings have been concise, direct and I have not attempted to give prophecy ( though I have told of a couple visions - but those visions were not under any guise of proving myself a prophet ). When it is time - I will then give prophecy, but not before it is time. When it is time I will prove I am one of the Two Witnesses, but alas not any will believe.. and that is scriptural, but not verbatim. Until then, I offer reasoning, understanding and insight... what the "claimers never do, because they cannot.
There's nothing written in Scripture anywhere that requires for any of us to believe your claim, especially since your claim has not yet manifested per the Rev.11 prophecy. Likewise with someone claiming to be Jesus Christ today (and there have been many), there's no reason to believe their claims either, since they have not manifested per Biblical prophecy. And by how much you protest I now wonder if you haven't just been deluding yourself all along.So. this is exactly how I see what is happening concerning...me " Will the Real Two Witnesses Please stand up and be recognized... so WE can ALL call you liars and deny you. because we want to know the Two Witnesses BUT we want to call them liars, deny them and abuse them in any manner possible... because we are Christians! This is what you are doing Veteran and others as well... how smart is that???