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Where Does Denial of Scripture About Hell Originate?

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  1. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

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    I'll believe Jesus:

    Mark 9:43-48 (NKJV)
    43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 46 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.' 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire-- 48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
     
  2. Insight

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    "And they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name"

    Who is the they?

    So we are talking about a war are we not? Involving people in the earth? It reads like they will be given no respite but this war will continue until they are all defeated.

    Yes?.. Babylon the Great suffering the same judgments as S & G?

     
  3. Duckybill

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    You chopped off that part.
     
  4. Insight

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    I take it your understanding has reached its end.

    O well.
     
  5. Duckybill

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    Punishment in the fire is eternal and VERY Scriptural.

    Revelation 20:10-15 (NKJV)
    10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
     
  6. Insight

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    Who keeps the fire going
     
  7. Duckybill

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    Oh my.
     
  8. Insight

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    OP Where Does Denial of Scripture About Hell Originate? could be changed to Where Does the error about Hell Originate?

    Answer: hades, souls,gods, immortality of souls, ghosts, and demons, transmigration of souls, Intermediate of the dead, particle of divine substance, disembodied spirits, heaven going, angels with wings etc etc are all founded in the corupt minds of men like Plato.

    In classic Greek mythology, below Heaven, Earth, and Pontus is Tartarus, or Tartaros (Greek Τάρταρος, deep place). It is either a deep, gloomy place, a pit or abyss used as a dungeon of torment and suffering that resides within Hades (the entire underworld) with Tartarus being the hellish component. In the Gorgias, Plato (c. 400 BC) wrote that souls were judged after death and those who received punishment were sent to Tartarus. As a place of punishment, it can be considered a hell. The classic Hades, on the other hand, is more similar to Old Testament Sheol. Wiki

    So 400 years before the advent of Christ men and women where taking to themselves Egyptian mthyologoy regergated through men like Plato.

    And today we have those here following in thier traditions.

    Insight
     
  9. Insight

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    I wonder what Bible Truth has to do with Egyptian Mythology? From what i have read here it appears alot.

    I will take my notions of Hell being the grave from the Bible thank you very much. You know, the same place Abels blood cryed out from the ground Genesis 4:10.

    [​IMG]

    Lets talk about the error of these notions.

    Insight
     
  10. Duckybill

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    No doubt, there will be MANY in Hell who don't believe in it. We can't say we weren't warned.
     
  11. n2thelight

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    I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

    Through this entire chapter Paul has brought to our attention that we have two bodies within each of us. We have our physical body, which is made up of flesh and blood, and we have our spiritual body which is called our soul. The flesh body will die at some point in time and the spiritual body or soul body that houses or spirit will live on after death. "Mortal must put on immortality" applies only to the soul, for all flesh will be gone at death, or at the sounding of the seventh trumpet. So immortality applies only to the soul body, and even in the incorruptible body the sting of death of that soul is still on it if that soul has not received eternal life. Immortality for the soul in the Millennium age is only one those souls that have eternal live, and did not worship Satan, and take on his name, and the number of the beast.

    So the flesh body must be put aside before we put on our incorruptible body that will not age through the entire Millennium age. The Word "Mortal" again means "liable to die". The object of this verseis the body, and the corruptible flesh body must be changed into the body that doesn't grow old. All through this fifteenth chapter we have documented that Christ is a live, and that he lives, and it is for that reason that we are Christians. It would be senseless to be Christians if Christ did not come out of the tomb.
    "This mortal must put on immortality," again means that the soul that is mortal must also put on immortality. Christ taught in Matthew 10:25-28.

    Matthew 10:25 "It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his Lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of the household?"

    It is sufficient that the pupil become like his teacher. Our purpose is to keep on studying to where you can have people rely on what you say. When Christ walked the earth, if they called Him Beelzebub [Satan, or lord of the flies], know also that they will also say that you are of Satan. Jesus is telling us to not worry about it, we will have the victory.

    Matthew 10:26 "Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.".

    God has already revealed everything that you will face in His Word, and there will be nothing that you will go through that should be a surprise to you. You can expect what is prophesied to come your way, as well as the protection that will be given you by God. The thing that is important is that you are obedient to God's Word, and His Son, and keep committed to serve Him.

    Matthew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."
    Those things that are revealed to you by your studies, and in the night are the things that you tell others about. Jesus is telling His disciples that those thing that they here Him teaching about, those are the things to tell others about. The "Preaching from the housetops", means "to spread the Word."

    Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

    Destroy

    Strong's G622 - apollymi


    1) to destroy
    a) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin
    B) render useless
    c) to kill
    d) to declare that one must be put to death
    e) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell
    f) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed
    2) to destroy
    a) to lose

    Man can kill your body but no man, not even Satan can kill your soul. To "destroy" is to cause you "to perish" or "cease to exist". It is only God that can judge your soul to hell fire and that comes after the judgment day. "Mortal" means "liable to die", and whether your soul dies or not is left up to God's judgment.

    I Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, "Death is swallowed up in Victory." "

    So your soul must put off the physical body, and this soul but be changed from a state of possible destruction by sin, and put on immortality through the shed blood of Christ before this saying can be true. "Death is swallowed up in Victory", when your sins are blotted out and made as they had never been committed. Then we have eternal life in Jesus Christ. There is still death until after the Millennium age.

    Even satan himself shall be destroyed

    Ezekiel 28:18
    Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

    Ezekiel 28:19
    "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."
     
  12. Duckybill

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    God is not going to bless the wicked by destroying them. Ain't gonna happen.
     
  13. n2thelight

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    There is NO crime in this world that justifies eternal torment,as evil a man as Hitler was,even his crimes would not fit that punishment!!!

    And how you can call it a blessing,is beyond me....

    Last question and I will leave this alone....Could you torture your children for all eternity???
     
  14. Insight

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    Can you support this with Scripture?
     
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    I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

    There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

    Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment. However through deception Satan can cause you to sin against God, and thus be in trouble before the Almighty God. But that is why we have repentance in the name of Jesus to become right-standing before the Father again.

    It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

    http://www.theseason.org/1corin/1corin15.htm
     
  16. Duckybill

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    You'll have to take that up with God who warned us of eternal punishment in the fire over and over.
    Have you not read the Scriptures about eternal torment in the fire???
    I'm not omnipotent. God is. He can do whatever He chooses.
     
  17. Insight

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    The natural body is referred to as Soul, I am curious where the Spiritual Body is called a soul?

    I am not criticising your belief just wanting confrimation. Usually soul in the Bible means living breathing creature and is used of all animal life.

    If you have a verse that suggests the glorified body (spiritual) are called souls I would like to look at them?

    Thanks

    Insight
     
  18. Duckybill

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    Anyone here who can prevent God from sending people to Hell forever raise your hand.
     
  19. Insight

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    Silly statement... even Jesus went there Acts 2:27KJV

    As my daddy would once say "your flogging a dead horse" [​IMG]
     
  20. Duckybill

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    Are you saying you can keep God from sending people to Hell???????? We'll see what God has to say about that.

    Mark my words, God will have the last say in this matter. Not you.
     
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